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yes.wait aren't there a shitton of crt ongoing for NNT?
To create the vortex itself?
It would honestly be better if you could take a few mins to read Arkenis i can understand those who Just came by but not you
Ominous Nebulae a vortex created by Zeldris swordskills (it doesn’t need darkness)
im just showing him what the ability does lol wdym.It would honestly be better if you could take a few mins to read Arkenis i can understand those who Just came by but not you
Yeah 1 or 2 hax threadswait aren't there a shitton of crt ongoing for NNT?
It isn’t really how ON works i’ll explain it one more Time cause you are the daddyim just showing him what the ability does lol wdym.
It literally does involve darkness though.
Edit: Going to sleepOminous Nebulae a vortex created by Zeldris swordskills (it doesn’t need darkness)
That he doesn’t need to use darkness to use ONWhat does that even show?
At this point i might as well pit them against arifureta chars honestly since they will get upgraded to 6-B right?NNT goons getting the last laugh again it seems, you hate to see it.
At this point it becomes sad to seeFor Black Clover Supporters here is the summary of everything so far.
The majority of Meliodas and Zeldris voters believe that the following is the reason they beat Asta and Yuno.
1. Zeldris' darkness can not be nullified because Darkness is not magic therefore ON would destroy Asta and Yuno.
2. They have thousands of years of experience therefore they beat Asta and Yuno regardless of the skills Asta and Yuno possess.
3. Zeldris has GOD which makes him invulnerable to magic. Meliodas has Full counter as a counter to magic.
These are the reasons Asta and Yuno beat Meliodas and Zeldris:
1. In this scan it states that manipulating the Dark forces is under Destroyer Magic Type. In this scan it states that Meliodas manipulating darkness is magic. On meliodas' page, it states that his favorite Power of Darkness move is what is shown in the scan I just showed you. In this scan Full Counter works on Darkness, and full counter only works on magic. In conclusion, the power of darkness is magic, period. Them flying with 0 magic is the only outlier they can use to carry out their agenda. Notice how Galaand is later shown to be jumping rather than flying. it is extremely clear that Darkness used in combat is magic and it was meant to be magic by the author. Simple mistakes like these can't be used to make outlandish claims, even if you all insist on using the feat why didn't you use the following interpretation that "Darkness is a type of magic that does not use up any power".
2. Meliodas and Zeldris have thousands of years of fighting experience however this does not mean they are more skilled than Asta and Yuno because they can't even handle all the skills they've experienced. they got skill stomped by Arthur who actually has showings of all his inherited skill and these skills have been passed down for hundreds of years and Meliodas and Zeldris have experiences of these skills and are STILL getting skill stomped by a very casual Arthur. It was revealed that Demons like Cusack, Meliodas and Zeldris only bully skilled humans with their superior power because Excalibur, is a collection of swordsmen's souls that are more skilled but far inferior to them. This heavily implies that Meliodas and Zeldris never really learned any of the skills they experienced cuz they AP stomp their enemies. Skills don't matter if it doesn't work on them, so it makes sense if Meliodas and Zeldris didn't assimilate any skills they encountered into their fighting styles for thousands of years.
Furthermore, According to some who are knowledgeable in NNT on this thread, Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skills that would imply that they outskill Asta and Yuno. When NNT supporters do attempt to show skill, they send scans of Meliodas speed and AP stomping fodder which clearly isn't a skill feat. Even the feat Makai was trying to push was another enhanced sense technique used by a blind man's soul within arthur's sword. Makai, this is in no way shape or form precognition and Instinctive reactions and Zeldris did not counter shit, in fact Zeldris got skill stomped even though he knows the skills that stomped him as shown earlier.
Asta is capable of predicting their movements by reading their next move from their life force and Yuno is capable of evading attacks with Spirit Magic and Mana Zone allowing him to dodge danmaku from two attackers that he wouldn't have been able to even with Spirit Dive; this spell is known as Mana Zone: Spirit Hushed Dance. Asta also has higher mobility as a dual swordsman, his fighting style allows Asta to deflect a barrage of attacks as though there are no openings even without the ability to predict moves. It is simply not enough to have "experience", Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skill to take on Yuno and Asta and they were stomped by master swordsmanship. In Black Clover, There are elves and demons that have tens to thousands of years of experience with either shit or Magnificient skill showings that Asta and Yuno could fight against. Whatever skill showings Meliodas and Zeldris have can easily be adapted to in moments. Asta is capable of adapting to a barrage of fireballs faster than him and even his ability to predict in just 3 attempts. Unlike Arthur, Asta and Yuno have amps to match Meliodas and Zeldris, and Now that this is a serious match up, according to the vsbattle rules: amps from the slower characters prior to speed equalization can NEVER blitz a faster character. Asta and Yuno are the faster characters so this speed equalization: amp rule is in favor of them.
3. Zeldris' GOD and Meliodas' Full Counter are magic, Anti Magic negates both of them. Thanks to Anti Magic, Yuno can use his powers on them. Yuno can attack them from anywhere on the battlefield thanks to Mana Zone. Did I mention that Yuno's Accelerated Development is also extreme? Yeah, that same scan I just sent compliments that. And we know that Asta has Black Mode and can also be pseudo-amped with Yuno's wind magic.
@Makai64100 I have taken care of everything in this post except for the following: Anti-magic can negate regen from disembodiments so if they lose an arm or their head they can't regen. Ominous Nebula is magical whether or not "it uses Darkness" even though it clearly states that it is an ability that uses darkness and you are just wanking it now.Don't give me that bullshit with perfect cube; it is an ability that reflects ANY attacks, not just magical attacks so whatever that shit is will be resistant to attack reflectionif it is trueand it will be specific to whatever attacks that is and not all attacks like it. By the way, Merlin says it won't hold out for long, implying it will work for a short amount of time before getting nuked. and there is no absolute cancel statement in the scan so stop the cap. Miasma only works on those far weaker than them and youre sending scans of miasma from the demon realm. According to the pages, the strongest person the miasma has worked on is mountain level King and Assault Mode is restricted. You refused to send scans of Meliodas' amazing Accelerated Development in battle so you tell us to go to his page. The feat on his page is not combat applicable, Asta and Yuno's are very much combat applicable and are far better that what is on his page. Zeldris doesn't even have it on his page.
SUMMARY OF ALL WHAT I SAID
Asta and Yuno outskill Meliodas and Zeldris regardless of their experience because they get skill stomped by said experience with master swordsmen skill that they typically AP stomp with trash skills. Asta predicts their moves and reacts instinctively to their attacks while Yuno can skillfully evade danmaku from two characters and attack two characters from anywhere at the same time.
Anti Magic negates all their magic attacks including GOD, ON and the power of Darkness.
Meliodas and Zeldris' wincons are either based on lies or heavy wanks. All their wincons can be countered easily as shown in the post.
Speed amps from meliodas and Zeldris can't blitz Asta and Yuno due to wiki rules. Also, Assault Mode and True Magic are restricted allowing Asta and Yuno to keep up with their amps and eventually overtake them with battle applicable accelerated development which neither of them have on their pages.
So for the sake of common decency, lets all vote for Asta and Yuno because they are the true winners of this fight. Thank you.
Asta & Yuno FRA. Almost clear as day that darkness is magic.For Black Clover Supporters here is the summary of everything so far.
The majority of Meliodas and Zeldris voters believe that the following is the reason they beat Asta and Yuno.
1. Zeldris' darkness can not be nullified because Darkness is not magic therefore ON would destroy Asta and Yuno.
2. They have thousands of years of experience therefore they beat Asta and Yuno regardless of the skills Asta and Yuno possess.
3. Zeldris has GOD which makes him invulnerable to magic. Meliodas has Full counter as a counter to magic.
These are the reasons Asta and Yuno beat Meliodas and Zeldris:
1. In this scan it states that manipulating the Dark forces is under Destroyer Magic Type. In this scan it states that Meliodas manipulating darkness is magic. On meliodas' page, it states that his favorite Power of Darkness move is what is shown in the scan I just showed you. In this scan Full Counter works on Darkness, and full counter only works on magic. In conclusion, the power of darkness is magic, period. Them flying with 0 magic is the only outlier they can use to carry out their agenda. Notice how Galaand is later shown to be jumping rather than flying. it is extremely clear that Darkness used in combat is magic and it was meant to be magic by the author. Simple mistakes like these can't be used to make outlandish claims, even if you all insist on using the feat why didn't you use the following interpretation that "Darkness is a type of magic that does not use up any power".
2. Meliodas and Zeldris have thousands of years of fighting experience however this does not mean they are more skilled than Asta and Yuno because they can't even handle all the skills they've experienced. they got skill stomped by Arthur who actually has showings of all his inherited skill and these skills have been passed down for hundreds of years and Meliodas and Zeldris have experiences of these skills and are STILL getting skill stomped by a very casual Arthur. It was revealed that Demons like Cusack, Meliodas and Zeldris only bully skilled humans with their superior power because Excalibur, is a collection of swordsmen's souls that are more skilled but far inferior to them. This heavily implies that Meliodas and Zeldris never really learned any of the skills they experienced cuz they AP stomp their enemies. Skills don't matter if it doesn't work on them, so it makes sense if Meliodas and Zeldris didn't assimilate any skills they encountered into their fighting styles for thousands of years.
Furthermore, According to some who are knowledgeable in NNT on this thread, Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skills that would imply that they outskill Asta and Yuno. When NNT supporters do attempt to show skill, they send scans of Meliodas speed and AP stomping fodder which clearly isn't a skill feat. Even the feat Makai was trying to push was another enhanced sense technique used by a blind man's soul within arthur's sword. Makai, this is in no way shape or form precognition and Instinctive reactions and Zeldris did not counter shit, in fact Zeldris got skill stomped even though he knows the skills that stomped him as shown earlier.
Asta is capable of predicting their movements by reading their next move from their life force and Yuno is capable of evading attacks with Spirit Magic and Mana Zone allowing him to dodge danmaku from two attackers that he wouldn't have been able to even with Spirit Dive; this spell is known as Mana Zone: Spirit Hushed Dance. Asta also has higher mobility as a dual swordsman, his fighting style allows Asta to deflect a barrage of attacks as though there are no openings even without the ability to predict moves. It is simply not enough to have "experience", Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skill to take on Yuno and Asta and they were stomped by master swordsmanship. In Black Clover, There are elves and demons that have tens to thousands of years of experience with either shit or Magnificient skill showings that Asta and Yuno could fight against. Whatever skill showings Meliodas and Zeldris have can easily be adapted to in moments. Asta is capable of adapting to a barrage of fireballs faster than him and even his ability to predict in just 3 attempts. Unlike Arthur, Asta and Yuno have amps to match Meliodas and Zeldris, and Now that this is a serious match up, according to the vsbattle rules: amps from the slower characters prior to speed equalization can NEVER blitz a faster character. Asta and Yuno are the faster characters so this speed equalization: amp rule is in favor of them.
3. Zeldris' GOD and Meliodas' Full Counter are magic, Anti Magic negates both of them. Thanks to Anti Magic, Yuno can use his powers on them. Yuno can attack them from anywhere on the battlefield thanks to Mana Zone. Did I mention that Yuno's Accelerated Development is also extreme? Yeah, that same scan I just sent compliments that. And we know that Asta has Black Mode and can also be pseudo-amped with Yuno's wind magic.
@Makai64100 I have taken care of everything in this post except for the following: Anti-magic can negate regen from disembodiments so if they lose an arm or their head they can't regen. Ominous Nebula is magical whether or not "it uses Darkness" even though it clearly states that it is an ability that uses darkness and you are just wanking it now.Don't give me that bullshit with perfect cube; it is an ability that reflects ANY attacks, not just magical attacks so whatever that shit is will be resistant to attack reflectionif it is trueand it will be specific to whatever attacks that is and not all attacks like it. By the way, Merlin says it won't hold out for long, implying it will work for a short amount of time before getting nuked. and there is no absolute cancel statement in the scan so stop the cap. Miasma only works on those far weaker than them and youre sending scans of miasma from the demon realm. According to the pages, the strongest person the miasma has worked on is mountain level King and Assault Mode is restricted. You refused to send scans of Meliodas' amazing Accelerated Development in battle so you tell us to go to his page. The feat on his page is not combat applicable, Asta and Yuno's are very much combat applicable and are far better that what is on his page. Zeldris doesn't even have it on his page.
SUMMARY OF ALL WHAT I SAID
Asta and Yuno outskill Meliodas and Zeldris regardless of their experience because they get skill stomped by said experience with master swordsmen skill that they typically AP stomp with trash skills. Asta predicts their moves and reacts instinctively to their attacks while Yuno can skillfully evade danmaku from two characters and attack two characters from anywhere at the same time.
Anti Magic negates all their magic attacks including GOD, ON and the power of Darkness.
Meliodas and Zeldris' wincons are either based on lies or heavy wanks. All their wincons can be countered easily as shown in the post.
Speed amps from meliodas and Zeldris can't blitz Asta and Yuno due to wiki rules. Also, Assault Mode and True Magic are restricted allowing Asta and Yuno to keep up with their amps and eventually overtake them with battle applicable accelerated development which neither of them have on their pages.
So for the sake of common decency, lets all vote for Asta and Yuno because they are the true winners of this fight. Thank you.
This is a pretty clear exemple of What We’Ve been through for days i quite litteraly wrote a book and the admin in charge of the closing litteraly told We were not allowed to argue again but ig that if you can Go against rules i will too to respond to youFor Black Clover Supporters here is the summary of everything so far.
The majority of Meliodas and Zeldris voters believe that the following is the reason they beat Asta and Yuno.
1. Zeldris' darkness can not be nullified because Darkness is not magic therefore ON would destroy Asta and Yuno.
2. They have thousands of years of experience therefore they beat Asta and Yuno regardless of the skills Asta and Yuno possess.
3. Zeldris has GOD which makes him invulnerable to magic. Meliodas has Full counter as a counter to magic.
Black Clover Wincon:
- Asta negs their magic and spams attacks on them till they die. Yuno can assist by also spamming attacks on both of them simultaneously.
- Asta negates their attempts to nullify Yuno’s magic, Yuno spams attacks on them till they die.
Said page blatantly say Destroyer type is the use of Natural elements and Darkness and i’ve already shown a good chunk of why i ain’t magic1. In this scan it states that manipulating the Dark forces is under Destroyer Magic Type.
Do you are Using this scan again…In this scan it states that Meliodas manipulating darkness is magic.
Still ain’t darkness the same profile in a most recent added content says the following Here (BTW i used this screenshot in the last message i posted about this debate you Just ignored it to give credit to the exact same profile so you will give the same credit even though it contradict your stance)On meliodas' page, it states that his favorite Power of Darkness move is what is shown in the scan I just showed you.
AHAHAHAHAH This one is pure gold he Litteraly used the scans From this part of the profile i’ll quoteIn this scan Full Counter works on Darkness, and full counter only works on magic. In conclusion, the power of darkness is magic, period.
He basically IGNORED one more Time everything except what goes in his direction first of all darkness is blatantly stated to be non magical (i made a 500 lines essay explaining why in the last authorized argument related message)Attack Reflection (Can reflect magic attacks[2][3][4][5][6][7] and amplify them many times[8][9][10][11][12]. Meliodas has also shown the ability to reflect non magical darkness [5], lightning[7] and even King's disaster which is a invisbile and homing attacks
Pretty much isn’t them existing is a proof in itself since their body is composed of darkness and produce darkness during their first appearance With 0 magic power (due to the goddess seal) Grayroad a demon made of darkness existedThem flying with 0 magic is the only outlier they can use to carry out their agenda.
Pretty famous scene in Which He counts the number of jump to cover the distance to Camelot to see if time had effects on his performance cropping it isn’t really a good argument
Not really you Just cropped the profiles to be dishonestit is extremely clear that Darkness used in combat is magic and it was meant to be magic by the author.
Because We don’t need to use headcanon for things that are shownSimple mistakes like these can't be used to make outlandish claims, even if you all insist on using the feat why didn't you use the following interpretation that "Darkness is a type of magic that does not use up any power".
One of your link shows Cuzack stating said humans can’t CROSS SWORDS with them2. Meliodas and Zeldris have thousands of years of fighting experience however this does not mean they are more skilled than Asta and Yuno because they can't even handle all the skills they've experienced. they got skill stomped by Arthur who actually has showings of all his inherited skill and these skills have been passed down for hundreds of years and Meliodas and Zeldris have experiences of these skills and are STILL getting skill stomped by a very casual Arthur. It was revealed that Demons like Cusack, Meliodas and Zeldris only bully skilled humans with their superior power because Excalibur, is a collection of swordsmen's souls that are more skilled but far inferior to them. This heavily implies that Meliodas and Zeldris never really learned any of the skills they experienced cuz they AP stomp their enemies. Skills don't matter if it doesn't work on them, so it makes sense if Meliodas and Zeldris didn't assimilate any skills they encountered into their fighting styles for thousands of years.
And as i said i wasn’t agreeing with the used feats tho it wasn’t the main skill point at allFurthermore, According to some who are knowledgeable in NNT on this thread, Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skills that would imply that they outskill Asta and Yuno. When NNT supporters do attempt to show skill, they send scans of Meliodas speed and AP stomping fodder which clearly isn't a skill feat.
Even the feat Makai was trying to push was another enhanced sense technique used by a blind man's soul within arthur's sword.
i’ll quote the profileMakai, this is in no way shape or form precognition and Instinctive reactions
It is
Already adressed this bsand Zeldris did not counter shit, in fact Zeldris got skill stomped even though he knows the skills that stomped him as shown earlier.
Which is precog same precog they are narratively implied to be able to bypass in terms of swords skillsAsta is capable of predicting their movements by reading their next move from their life force
You’ve made this circular statement a hundred times ignoring What We previously established about him getting nullifiedand Yuno is capable of evading attacks with Spirit Magic and Mana Zone allowing him to dodge danmaku from two attackers that he wouldn't have been able to even with Spirit Dive; this spell is known as Mana Zone: Spirit Hushed Dance.
LMAO didn’t he have another form of precog + it ain’t something He uses often From What i remember and it also ain’t really of use + said barrage is like 6 attacksAsta also has higher mobility as a dual swordsman, his fighting style allows Asta to deflect a barrage of attacks as though there are no openings even without the ability to predict moves.
You Just ignored the context of the panels you usedIt is simply not enough to have "experience", Meliodas and Zeldris have not shown any skill to take on Yuno and Asta and they were stomped by master swordsmanship.
Thought the experience argument was bad but if you want to We can cite Meliodas and Zel fighting their father that has over a billion years of ageIn Black Clover, There are elves and demons that have tens to thousands of years of experience with either shit or Magnificient skill showings that Asta and Yuno could fight against.
Magna doesn’t even use his invisible ones at he end and Asta stated he was able to read the normal ones perfectlyWhatever skill showings Meliodas and Zeldris have can easily be adapted to in moments. Asta is capable of adapting to a barrage of fireballs faster than him and even his ability to predict in just 3 attempts.
All it means is that We do not count amps prior to the equalized form if i understand correctlyUnlike Arthur, Asta and Yuno have amps to match Meliodas and Zeldris, and Now that this is a serious match up, according to the vsbattle rules: amps from the slower characters prior to speed equalization can NEVER blitz a faster character. Asta and Yuno are the faster characters so this speed equalization: amp rule is in favor of them.
FC is despite using virtually 0 magic but i never argued for it3. Zeldris' GOD and Meliodas' Full Counter are magic, Anti Magic negates both of them.
He can’t NE can cover hundreds of meters to kilometers of rangeThanks to Anti Magic, Yuno can use his powers on them.
Not while being nulledYuno can attack them from anywhere on the battlefield thanks to Mana Zone. Did I mention that Yuno's Accelerated Development is also extreme? Yeah, that same scan I just sent compliments that. And we know that Asta has Black Mode and can also be pseudo-amped with Yuno's wind magic.
And i’ve taken care of all your bs about darkness + they don’t need a head they need their hearts to live + Asta can’t null physicals + they produce darkness inside their body@Makai64100 I have taken care of everything in this post except for the following: Anti-magic can negate regen from disembodiments so if they lose an arm or their head they can't regen.
It is Zel’s sword movements + funny how i showed ON while you showed Full React + Since Asta cannot null darkness it doesn’t changeOminous Nebula is magical whether or not "it uses Darkness" even though it clearly states that it is an ability that uses darkness and you are just wanking it now.
Perfect cube Also reflect magic it would not affect darkness that isn’t magicDon't give me that bullshit with perfect cube; it is an ability that reflects ANY attacks, not just magical attacks so whatever that shit is will be resistant to attack reflectionif it is trueand it will be specific to whatever attacks that is and not all attacks like it. By the way, Merlin says it won't hold out for long, implying it will work for a short amount of time before getting nuked. and there is no absolute cancel statement in the scan so stop the cap.
This is outdated info cursed by light shows Elisabeth needing protection against it tooMiasma only works on those far weaker than them and youre sending scans of miasma from the demon realm.
It isn’t Elisabeth had to protect too and even basic demons exude enough to not die From miasma Makai’s miasma isn’t the strongest at allAccording to the pages, the strongest person the miasma has worked on is mountain level King and Assault Mode is restricted.
Because the page have the feat…You refused to send scans of Meliodas' amazing Accelerated Development in battle so you tell us to go to his page.
How isn’t it combat applicable when it litteraly was during a fight Arnold could you make an effort pleaseThe feat on his page is not combat applicable, Asta and Yuno's are very much combat applicable and are far better that what is on his page. Zeldris doesn't even have it on his page.
I adressed everythingSUMMARY OF ALL WHAT I SAID
Answered and adressed all of his bs i mean even the page is clearAsta & Yuno FRA. Almost clear as day that darkness is magic.
i’ll add scans to my last message graduallyYunasta FRA
He litteraly used the statements From this line and took it out to bias everything that’s what i would call a lie and an obvious bias We are searching for truth in these VS threads him lying and getting things From the profile cropping them to cherry pick is one of the worst things i know and i think it could be banned since ppl can be banned for month because they are « bad debaters » like Speedster that a lot of People seems to miss out there even though he has some mid behaviors i think it’s not worse than lying to people to win something that will not even be on profiles and still getting stompedAttack Reflection (Can reflect magic attacks[2][3][4][5][6][7] and amplify them many times[8][9][10][11][12]. Meliodas has also shown the ability to reflect non magical darkness [5], lightning[7] and even King's disaster which is a invisbile and homing attacks
Greatsage voted NNTI've let in the last argument. So like, no more post. Just quote me and vote for the following:
- Black Clover: @Arkenis, @Arnoldstone18, @SuperStar, @Epsilon_R
- Seven Deadly Sins: @Makai64100, @Overlord1, @Aether_, @Zelas, @Zezu1995, @VsReferee, @Kiraa, @Tatsumi504, @Nacht
- Incon:
- Close the Thread:
Close the threadI've let in the last argument. So like, no more post. Just quote me and vote for the following:
- Black Clover: @Arkenis, @Arnoldstone18, @SuperStar, @Epsilon_R
- Seven Deadly Sins: @Makai64100, @Overlord1, @Aether_, @Zelas, @Zezu1995, @VsReferee, @Kiraa, @Tatsumi504, @Nacht
- Incon:
- Close the Thread:
They want to close it through votesClose the thread
Speedster has the right to voteI've let in the last argument. So like, no more post. Just quote me and vote for the following:
- Black Clover: @Arkenis, @Arnoldstone18, @SuperStar, @Epsilon_R
- Seven Deadly Sins: @Makai64100, @Overlord1, @Aether_, @Zelas, @Zezu1995, @VsReferee, @Kiraa, @Tatsumi504, @Nacht
- Incon:
- Close the Thread:
Dismissing anyone that disagrees with you as just “not reading” isn’t the approach I’d personally take but you do youAt this point i wonder if y’all read
Mhhh Using a link From the profile where it says « non magical darkness » to say it’s magical isn’t the approach i’d personally take but you do youDismissing anyone that disagrees with you as just “not reading” isn’t the approach I’d personally take but you do you