MCU 8-C AP / Lifting Strength revision

[KLOL506]

Updated the area and hollowness and added a new end for the laminated carbon
Gonna add 2 new ends assuming that half the wings is steel now

Also the area is still incorrect.

Actual area affected would be width * thickness. Since it's the area connecting it. It'd be like a thin, hollow rectangle, not unlike the opening in thin rectangular medicine boxes. Think of it like the front face of the wing when detached.

0.4694 * 0.069= 0.0323886 m^2. Times 0.05 for 95% hollowness is 0.00161943 m^2. Per wing.

Times 2 because two wings is 0.00323886 m^2.

Laminated (1.6 GPa or 1.6e+9 Pa): 0.00323886 * 1.6e+9 GPa= 5182176 N or 528434.8886 kgf (Class K)

Another end (3.5 GPa or 3.5e+9 Pa): 0.00323886 * 3.5e+9 GPa= 11336010 N or 1155951.3188 kgf (Class M)

I saw some 2.2 and 2.7 GPa ends online as well. Should I add those in?

 

[KLOL506]

Found something interesting.

Carbon fiber composites have 600 MPa ultimate tensile strength when torn off at 0 or 90 degress. But the issue is, isn't Falcon's pre-Vibranium wings noted to be fully carbon fiber?

 

[KLOL506]

I saw some 2.2 and 2.7 GPa ends online as well. Should I add those in?

Here they be. It was actually 2.3 to 3.0 GPa with a 1.6 value mentioned.

This also gives me a value of 3.0 GPa.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Laminated (1.6 GPa or 1.6e+9 Pa): 0.00323886 * 1.6e+9 GPa= 5182176 N or 528434.8886 kgf (Class K)

Another end (3.5 GPa or 3.5e+9 Pa): 0.00323886 * 3.5e+9 GPa= 11336010 N or 1155951.3188 kgf (Class M)

I saw some 2.2 and 2.7 GPa ends online as well. Should I add those in?

Yeah I was right. Just outliers due to tearing calcs not accounting for stress damage over the course of the feat.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah I was right. Just outliers due to tearing calcs not accounting for stress damage over the course of the feat.

Well, if it's overtime I can see the issue of stress damage. If it's rapid, then it's a different case.

Unfortunately for our buddy John Walker, he didn't do it instantaneously. There was a brief delay and clear strain in John before the tear was complete.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Here they be. It was actually 2.3 to 3.0 GPa with a 1.6 value mentioned.

This also gives me a value of 3.0 GPa.

Added 2.3 and 3.0 ends

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

yeah unless Walker yanked the Wings clean off horizontally that's way highballed

 

[Qawsedf234]

yeah unless Walker yanked the Wings clean off horizontally that's way highballed

It was a vertical pull at the joints

 

[KLOL506]

It was a vertical pull at the joints

Hmmmm, if it is exactly 45 degrees, that might lower the strength needed to pull the wings off and bring the value to a more respectable area of 110 MPa, but I'm not sure if it'd be accurate to use carbon fiber composites instead of the pure carbon fiber stated to be in Falcon's wings. And if it goes anywhere higher than that or even vertically 90 degrees, the strength goes straight back to 600 MPa.

 

[Qawsedf234]

pure carbon fiber stated to be in Falcon's wings.

Going frame by frame it looks like the wings are just connected with a bunch of tubes rather than being a solid body.

 

[KLOL506]

Going frame by frame it looks like the wings are just connected with a bunch of tubes rather than being a solid body.

I think we accounted for the tubes by using the hollowness? Only the outer rim/housing would be carbon fiber.

 

[Dalesean027]

Bump

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Following, mostly for NWH. I agree with Raimi characters and TASM characters scaling to the MCU Spidey LS, obviously.

 

[KLOL506]

Following, mostly for NWH. I agree with Raimi characters and TASM characters scaling to the MCU Spidey LS, obviously.

Bruh that was already agreed to in the No Way Home CRT. Tobey Spidey's gonna have some baller feats of his own.

 

[Dalesean027]

Btw what are we waiting on here

Tobey Spidey's gonna have some baller feats of his own.

I see clearly we still have more coming for Tobey but what else?

 

[KLOL506]

Btw what are we waiting on here
I see clearly we still have more coming for Tobey but what else?

Lizard's tearing feat, MCU Spidey's apparent Class 50 jet bridge feat, Doc Ock ripping apart a metal clock hand, ripping apart a safe, expanding open a subway frame and stuff.

 

[Dalesean027]

Lizard's tearing feat, MCU Spidey's apparent Class 50 jet bridge feat, Doc Ock ripping apart a metal clock hand, ripping apart a safe, expanding open a subway frame and stuff.

Ah alrighty thanks

 

[KLOL506]

Ah alrighty thanks

Just so you know, no one is going to scale to Doc Ock's arms, Tobey consistently had immense trouble wrestling against them and was always overpowered in almost every scenario in the movie.

And Andrew Spidey is gonna massively downscale from Lizard while Tobey would more or less be on par.

 

[Dalesean027]

Just so you know, no one is going to scale to Doc Ock's arms, Tobey consistently had immense trouble wrestling against them and was always overpowered in almost every scenario in the movie.

And Andrew Spidey is gonna massively downscale from Lizard while Tobey would more or less be on par.

Yeah that makes sense especially considering the last thread and how things went down in SMT and NWH mans arm's are pretty busted

 

[Lonkitt]

And Andrew Spidey is gonna massively downscale from Lizard while Tobey would more or less be on par.

Just gonna clarify for people who may be confused by that sentence. That's in regards to LS, not AP

 

[KLOL506]

Just gonna clarify for people who may be confused by that sentence. That's in regards to LS, not AP

Yeah.

AP wise, Andrew did a lot better against Lizard in NWH, shows just how much experience he's gained.

 

[Lonkitt]

Bump

 

[KLOL506]

Bump.

Quicksilver/Cap calc got accepted BTW, 0.9145 tons of TNT.

 

[Lonkitt]

More 8-C is good

 

[Dalesean027]

More 8-C is good

Very

 

[Qawsedf234]

But it's also from a KE feat, which is one of the weaker areas to get a rating from in any series.

When I get the time I'll focus more on what I think the lifting strengths for people should be.

 

[ShakeResounding]

I forgot, do we primarily scale MCU Spidey to Cap or Cap to Spidey? Do we just scale one to the other depending on who's stronger? Main question is just whether Spidey scales to that new Cap calc or not.

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah, Spidey and Cap scale to the same value

 

[Qawsedf234]

Captain America would either downscale from Spider-Man, use his own feat or not scale at all since his shield was the only thing that damaged Peter and Spider-Man also casually overwhelmed Winter Soldier.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Didn't Iron Man state Cap could have easily defeated Spidey in Homecoming?

 

[Lonkitt]

Didn't Iron Man state Cap could have easily defeated Spidey in Homecoming?

Skill wise. AP wise, they're not that different

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Skill wise. AP wise, they're not that different

Still good evidence for him scaling ig

 

[KLOL506]

Captain America would either downscale from Spider-Man, use his own feat or not scale at all since his shield was the only thing that damaged Peter and Spider-Man also casually overwhelmed Winter Soldier.

Eh no, remember, he already sent Peter flying hard with a kick.

 

[Qawsedf234]

he already sent Peter flying hard with a kick.

And Spider-Man staggered Thanos multiple times and Cap has hit Loki with a flying knee before.

Hitting someone but inflicting no damage isn't a feat.

 

[KLOL506]

And Spider-Man staggered Thanos multiple times and Cap has hit Loki with a flying knee before.

Neither of them managed to make them groan in pain.

Hitting someone but inflicting no damage isn't a feat.

Cap made Spidey groan in pain in this instance.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think Spideys should be left aside from this LS revisions. All 3 have good feats on their movies and they should share a cross scaling.

 

[Lonkitt]

Yeah that makes sense especially considering the last thread and how things went down in SMT and NWH mans arm's are pretty busted

Yeah dude, SMT was a great MCU entry

 

[KLOL506]

Spider-Man also casually overwhelmed Winter Soldier.

BP was also easily overwhelming Bucky's arm. Not only that, Isaiah himself took out WS's arm in Goyang. Just shows that WS with his metal arm doesn't exactly have the best skill record other than Cap.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah dude, SMT was a great MCU entry

bruhj

 

[Lonkitt]

BP was also easily overwhelming Bucky's arm. Not only that, Isaiah himself took out WS's arm in Goyang. Just shows that WS with his metal arm doesn't exactly have the best skill record other than Cap.

Cap and Spidey are pretty clearly more skilled than Bucky, yeah. Even when holding back, Steve beat Bucky and only ended up taking a beating from him due to his morals. Bucky's still skilled obviously, but its no surprise Steve outskills him significantly