Class G Spider-Man (The Other)

[Baken384]

Hello everyone, this will be an upgrade, or an addition to Spider-Man's profile as this feat is already accepted and listed in Spidey's profile.

In The Notable Attacks/Techniques and within The Other tab it states there
"Organic Webbing: After his confrontation with The Other, Spider-Man gains organic webbing that comes directly from his wrists. He can even release all of his webbing in one go to ensare stronger opponents."

The example used here is Spider-Man releasing all his webs to ensnare Iron Man (Extremis) for a good minute. Although if you click on the link, it is no longer there so this can be used as a replacement.


The one Peter managed to incapacitate is Extremis Iron Man (Model 29) which has a Class G Rating in his Lifting Strength.

Proposal:
Give Spider-Man (The Other)'s Lifting Strength an "At Most Class G with webs". During the whole Civil War storyline or even the majority of Spidey's run with The Other Amp, Spider-Man is clearly inferior to Iron Man no matter what and I doubt his webs would scale normally, but luckily Peter made a remark how he never knew what it would look like if he released all his webs at once and didn't hold it back which allowed him to incapacitate Iron Man in the first place and it is an At Most as well because eventually Iron Man broke out of it. So it should be an "At Most" rating in my opinion. If you have a suggestion on how this can be worded better, it can be cool.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Do you think "At most Class G with Organic Webbing" sounds better due to more specificity?

Either way, I agree with this.

 

[Baken384]

Do you think "At most Class G with Organic Webbing" sounds better due to more specificity?

Yes. That is a good way to describe it since he did have Organic Webbing.

What I'm thinking is this
Class M, At Most Class G with Organic Webbing (When Spider-Man unleashes all his webs at once and didn't hold anything back, it is able to incapacitate Iron Man for a minute.)

 

[BoastJr]

Yujiro : WTF !? Class G Webs ?

Memes aside I wholeheartedly agree. Class G baby !

 

[Dalesean027]

Seems fine to me

 

[ShakeResounding]

Should note here that the difference between Spidey's Class M Lifting Strength feat and Iron Man's Class G feat is less than a 4x difference (560k+ tons vs ~2 Million Tons).

Not too unbelievable.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Should note here that the difference between Spidey's Class M Lifting Strength feat and Iron Man's Class G feat is less than a 4x difference (560k+ tons vs ~2 Million Tons).

Not too unbelievable.

Yeah, that doesn't seem too unrealistic for buffed Spidey to get that much stronger, especially since this is literally everything he has all at once.

 

[Excellence616]

I agree

 

[Baken384]

bump

 

[Agnaa]

Seems reasonable to me (although I don't know much about our Marvel scaling rules/implementations). Shake's wording sounds good.

Although, I would kinda like to see the surrounding scans for context about Iron Man being stuck there, unable to force his way out.

EDIT: I've had them sent to me over Discord, unless something big was left out, seems fine.

 

[Agnaa]

@Antvasima Do you know some Marvel supporters who could help out here?

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that this seems to make sense.

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Are any of you willing to help out here?

 

[SamanPatou]

Seems ok.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks alright

 

[Newendigo]

Thread 'Spider-Man Lifting Strength.'

Jan 27, 2020

Currently, Spider-Man (Marvel Comics) has his Lifting Strength section as Class G for restraining Iron Man (Marvel Comics) with his organic webs.

This scaling comes from One-More-Day, and after reading the issue, I found plenty of really odd things.

Spider-Man: One More Day; From page number 10 to 22, there are things I want to talk, but most importantly, Peter using a bunch of webs to trap Stark. This happened becuase the suit go offline and had to recharge, after which the armor ripped the webs like it was nothing.

Anyway...

• Newendigo
• iron man (marvel comics) marvel comics spider-man (marvel comics)
• Replies: 12
• Forum: Content Revision

This is something that I removed about five years ago, its because the Armor is explicitly at low power due to the previous Unibeam that Tony released (which was garbage as it seem to act more like a flash Bang but ohh well comics I guess), this helped Peter to fully to cap him until he recharged.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think what might be important is what suit is specifically Iron Man wearing in this comic; because the old content revision might have been before we decided to make separate profiles for pretty much each and every Iron Man suit.

 

[Newendigo]

I think what might be important is what suit is specifically Iron Man wearing in this comic; because the old content revision might have been before we decided to make separate profiles for pretty much each and every Iron Man suit.

Its complety irrelevant, its the same suit, because is the same comic with the same suit.

 

[SamanPatou]

Well, if the suit was actively depowered, then things change.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Its complety irrelevant, its the same suit, because is the same comic with the same suit.

Fair enough, if the specific suit isn't Class G or it can depower; that's different

 

[Agnaa]

I'm a bit unsure; Iron Man was specifically waiting for the Repulsors to recharge. While it seems like those were probably used in the Doctor Doom grapple, it doesn't seem like it was used during the Model 32 lift.

 

[Newendigo]

Repulsors aren't just his main weapon, repulsor energy is the powersource of the suit, both its output and input. In the Doctor Doom struggle, they aren't both just trying to blast each other, they are drawing from their energy tank throughoutly to wrestle physically (With Tony being ridicuously more efficient)

Low repulsor energy is not just low energy projection and low flight power, but also low power in general. Specially after releasing a full power Unibeam.

I'm a bit unsure; Iron Man was specifically waiting for the Repulsors to recharge. While it seems like those were probably used in the Doctor Doom grapple, it doesn't seem like it was used during the Model 32 lift.

 

[Agnaa]

Repulsors aren't just his main weapon, repulsor energy is the powersource of the suit, both its output and input. In the Doctor Doom struggle, they aren't both just trying to blast each other, they are drawing from their energy tank throughoutly to wrestle physically (With Tony being ridicuously more efficient)

Low repulsor energy is not just low energy projection and low flight power, but also low power in general. Specially after releasing a full power Unibeam.

Fair, but the Model 32 lift seems like it was done without much energy.

 

[Antvasima]

Newendigo seems to make sense here.

Should we close this thread then?

 

[Agnaa]

I'd still like the Model 32 lift to be addressed, since I'd think something that casual would apply even when drained of energy like that.

However, thinking about it, it does seem like the two feats listed for that model contradict each other.

One has it pumping out a ton of energy to barely match Doctor Doom.

One has it effortlessly >> The Thing who is without much difficulty > Doctor Doom.

They both land at the same rating, but one upscales a lot more than the other. So I don't like both coexisting there.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Looks good

 

[Antvasima]

I'd still like the Model 32 lift to be addressed, since I'd think something that casual would apply even when drained of energy like that.

However, thinking about it, it does seem like the two feats listed for that model contradict each other.

One has it pumping out a ton of energy to barely match Doctor Doom.

One has it effortlessly >> The Thing who is without much difficulty > Doctor Doom.

They both land at the same rating, but one upscales a lot more than the other. So I don't like both coexisting there.

Well, Marvel Comics stories are ridiculously inconsistent in terms of power levels. It comes with the territory.

 

[Qawsedf234]

However, thinking about it, it does seem like the two feats listed for that model contradict each other.

For the comic Iron Man puts all of his energy into the Unibeam and depletes so much of his power that his suit requires 70 seconds of recharging before it comes back online.

From reading the issue it looks like Tony (for some reason) unleashed a literal max-powered Unibeam that depleted the arc reactor, whiffed the shot and then his suit shut off for over a minute. As soon as it comes back on he escapes the webs without that much effort. I would say scaling Spider-Man's webs to Class G isn't a good idea.

 

[Agnaa]

Well, if "Repulsors" in this context really does consistently mean "The suit's entire power source", and doesn't specifically refer to an energy-blast which can burn away the webs, then fair enough.

 

[Firestorm808]

Has this reached a conclusion?

 

[Agnaa]

Not strongly, but weakly, yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

Should we close this thread then, or should any revision be applied first?

 

[Agnaa]

I'd still like the Model 32 lift to be addressed, since I'd think something that casual would apply even when drained of energy like that.

However, thinking about it, it does seem like the two feats listed for that model contradict each other.

One has it pumping out a ton of energy to barely match Doctor Doom.

One has it effortlessly >> The Thing who is without much difficulty > Doctor Doom.

They both land at the same rating, but one upscales a lot more than the other. So I don't like both coexisting there.

Well, if "Repulsors" in this context really does consistently mean "The suit's entire power source", and doesn't specifically refer to an energy-blast which can burn away the webs, then fair enough.

Since it seems like others don't have more to say on these points, sure.

 

[Antvasima]

Should we close this thread then, or should any revision be applied first?

Since it seems like others don't have more to say on these points, sure.

@Firestorm808 @Qawsedf234

Do you have anything to add here, or should we close this thread?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Do you have anything to add here, or should we close this thread?

Sorry for the delay.

Well, if "Repulsors" in this context really does consistently mean "The suit's entire power source", and doesn't specifically refer to an energy-blast which can burn away the webs, then fair enough.

I don't really see an alternate explanation that fits with the comic. Iron Man having his reactor depleted for seventy seconds and needing it to reboot makes it seem to me that the author intended for him to burn up most of his energy with the Unibeam.

Logically, that makes no sense, as I have no idea why Tony would burn that much energy to escape Spider-Man's webs. It would be like Thor channeling the full Odinforce to hit the Blob. But from what I can see, that's how the plot makes it out. Since he escapes pretty easily once power is restored, I think it was just bad writing to force Tony to talk to Peter about what was going on for character drama.

 

[Agnaa]

Fair enough, I'll close this, then.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who helped out here.