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I'd say it's still up in the airAlso do we know if AoS is canon to begin with
kinda off topic but eh
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I'd say it's still up in the airAlso do we know if AoS is canon to begin with
kinda off topic but eh
Oh it totally is, but its a Class 5 feat and last time it was proposed for a change there was pushback.I'm assuming this may have come up before, but I'll ask anyway - what about Captain America pulling a Helicopter? Would that not be usable for his lifting strength?
Anyone tried this method?The writers (and most of the audience) probably found that really impressive by rule of cool, but it's honestly really weak compared to like many of his other feats considering how much he struggled to pull the helicopter.
The part where he pulled down the helicopter in mid-air without an anchor didn't make sense too.
It was me, I determined the pixel-scaling without posting pictures, but currently it's being a royal pain in the ass right now since there's no good picture to use of the tower.I do still think that super soldiers should scale to Spider-Man in AP and LS, considering that Captain America could match Spider-Man's pulling strength, and caused him pain with a kick. Iron Man's Mark 46 armor could also restrain Spider-Man as well.
Also, there's of course Stark's opinion on Spider-Man's fight with Cap.
I think it is important to get that Far From Home bell tower feat calced, considering it is a pretty significant LS feat. The Comic Vine calc might be a good foundation for a calc, though the provided measurements for the tower section (8.65x8.65x34.6 meters) are apparently too large, giving final results that are too high. It seems worth mentioning that someone on the second page of that thread used pixel scaling (closer look here) based on the full tower's known height of 40 meters (130 feet) to determine the dimensions of the falling section are apparently 5x5x28 meters, and that the mass would supposedly be closer to 250 tons.
But Spider-Man in Civil War is still a freshmen or sophomore. By NWH and FFH he's not only much older but significantly more experienced.I do still think that super soldiers should scale to Spider-Man in AP and
Still didn't stop him from getting absolutely wrecked by Mysterio and Green Goblin. Clearly shows he still has a long way to go.But Spider-Man in Civil War is still a freshmen or sophomore. By NWH and FFH he's not only much older but significantly more experienced.
I just feel like it's really weird to scale Spider-Man in an older incarnation or going 100% to Cap's lifting strength. Especially when Spider-Man's feats absolutely blows Captain America's showings out of the water in regards to that area.
To be fair, that Class K feat would be Spider-Man's absolute peak, it should in no way scale to his usual showings, since the tower eventually exhausted and overpowered him.Maybe he would have the upper hand over Captain America if he fought him in No Way Home, but there's no evidence he grew overwhelmingly stronger physically. Cap did utilise his superior skill and experience in Civil War, but skill only gets you so far, Cap straight up matches him in physical power in many moments in that fight. He has to be at least in the same ballpark of strength to fight like that (and win), if not equal.
It's not like Captain America severely contradicts Spider-Man's showings too, he has a bunch of 9-A feats that he doesn't struggle immensely to perform, and I think KLOL is going to recalculate the Quicksilver punch to be 8-C instead of an outlier since it was a Hawkeye arrow rather than a bullet. Most of his weaker feats are pre-2014 when he used guns and parachutes in combat, which he no longer does after his power level was sort of semi-retconned. LS wise Cap's not a slouch in that department either, he does have his feats in the double digit tonne range. In Civil War he chose to drop a jet bridge on a ******* kid after fighting him and knowing his strength to be equal to his, which shows he believes him and Spidey both to be capable of lifting a jet bridge without dying.
If the bell tower feat does end up being Class K or something then it might be fair to raise questions on that being an outlier though.
With illusions. Captain America dies if you swap him with Spider-Man for those fights.Still didn't stop him from getting absolutely wrecked by Mysterio
Who also stomps Cap. GG also hurts that point. He outright tells Spider-Man that he's holding back and weak because of morality. Why would he go all out on Cap?Green Goblin
I agree he's comparable AP wise, even if he is weaker overall.i just don't agree with him scaling to Spider-Man LS. We don't scale WW to Superman's lifting strength for similar reasons (or for Marvel Thor and Hulk), despite them having matching AP.
Piercing damage stonks.With illusions. Captain America dies if you swap him with Spider-Man for those fights.
Green Goblin's kinda a cut above the rest. Compared to most of the MCU's street tiers, he's an absolute monster.Who also stomps Cap. GG also hurts that point. He outright tells Spider-Man that he's holding back and weak because of morality. Why would he go all out on Cap?
Spider-Man still isn't scaling to Class K normally even if the calc is accepted, we're gonna need other feats for him.I agree he's comparable AP wise, even if he is weaker overall. I just don't agree with him scaling to Spider-Man LS. We don't scale WW to Superman's lifting strength for similar reasons (or for Marvel Thor and Hulk), despite them having matching AP.
That's a massive assumption without backing. Captain America in the same movie needed to go all out stopping the Helicopter from taking off and none of the super soldiers have a close showing to the jet bridge without AOS scaling.Civil War he chose to drop a jet bridge on a ******* kid after fighting him and knowing his strength to be equal to his, which shows he believes him and Spidey both to be capable of lifting a jet bridge without dying.
It would be either the jet bridge, calculating him deadstopping the van, the Homecoming feat where he moves rubble off himself or scaling to Tobey Spider-Man.Spider-Man still isn't scaling to Class K normally even if the calc is accepted,
AFAIK the rubble part only nailed him Class 10. Lost the calc tho. Any clues on the jet bridge? Or calcing the deceleration of the van to calculate the... oh shit, that's his leg strength.That's a massive assumption without backing. Captain America in the same movie needed to go all out stopping the Helicopter from taking off and none of the super soldiers have a close showing to the jet bridge without AOS scaling.
If he could hold 25 to 50 tons he also wouldn't struggle with holding the car in AoU or would have clearer showings of extreme strength like with Ultimate Cap.
It would be either the jet bridge, calculating him deadstopping the van, the Homecoming feat where he moves rubble off himself or scaling to Tobey Spider-Man.
I know Gubz did a video on it that was notable enough for Holland to mention in a interview.Any clues on the jet bridge?
Still would scale to him, just makes Cap scaling iffy.oh shit, that's his leg strength
Can you link me to both the instances? The Gubz video and the interview?I know Gubz did a video on it that was notable enough for Holland to mention in a interview.
The van deceleration might wield Class 5 to Class 10 depending on how long it took to stop the car and what van he was stopping, since F= ma. And deceleration is basically (Final speed-Initial Speed)/time. But still nowhere near the tower feat.Still would scale to him, just makes Cap scaling iffy.
I'll try to find the individual interview later on when I'm not limited to a phone.Can you link me to both the instances? The Gubz video and the interview?
Well they're (presumably) male white rhinos which according to a 0.15 second Google search weigh on average 5,100 lbs.Been saying that forever now, someone needs to calc the rhinos.
Okay so I viewed the car stopping video, it takes Pete from 15.25 s to 16.3 s to fully stop it, that's 1.05 seconds.I'll try to find the individual interview later on when I'm not limited to a phone.
He wasn't at the epicenter, the Jericho missiles were too far away from him when he lit them up.Mark 1 Iron man survived This and someone called it. Could be a good 8-C supporting feat.
They're a fair bit bigger than their IRL counterparts thanks to vibranium roids.Well they're (presumably) male white rhinos which according to a 0.15 second Google search weigh on average 5,100 lbs.
Ehhhhh, context matters a lot there. Mysterio relied on illusions at a time where Peter's Spider Senses weren't at their best during the first fight (along with Parker being emotional vulnerable at the time) and Goblin was practically beating on a guy who didn't wanna fight back. Peter pretty much styled on Bucky and Falcon at the same time with his overall performance in Berlin impressing Iron Man, the skill level has been set from the startStill didn't stop him from getting absolutely wrecked by Mysterio and Green Goblin. Clearly shows he still has a long way to go.
Fantastic, nice workDonezo.
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Spidey got slowly overpowered here tho, resorting to diverting the claws and proceeding to punch.Would it be worth calcing the Lizard's steel door tearing feat mentioned on his profile? While Spider-Man isn't quite as strong as him, this scene makes it seem like they should still be comparable in LS, considering Spider-Man was able to push him back from scratching at him for a while, forcing the Lizard to extend his claws to do so.
This one's good.Oh, or what about John Walker tearing off Falcon's carbon fiber wings?
Yo 8-B Spidey?18.835423 tons of TNT
**** **** **** OOPSIEYo 8-B Spidey?
How do you figure out speed given height and acceleration? I'd like to know the formula.When something falls 3.0734 from rest it gains a speed of 7 m/s. Tom brought that to a rest in, around half a second?