MCU 8-C AP / Lifting Strength revision

[KLOL506]

Thanks for commenting on it @KLOL506

No problem.

It's prolly fine to use as a full-power charge from his repulsor blasts tho, this shouldn't be anywhere near his usual hits. But the durability itself would use inverse square law.

Actually, now that I think about it, this could very well replace his Helicarrier feat. Plus, the three-man-team of Iron Man Mark 45, Thor and Vision were actually melting away Ultron's vibranium body.

 

[KLOL506]

BTW, good news. Finally got the official weight of the armors.

600 to 800 lbs (Mark 5 is 215 lbs). (Archive.vn link) Using only Tony's weight and the suit's height for surface area has always been... inaccurate, especially considering the sheer amount of panel lines of the suit and its chunkiness (Makes no sense for a guy like him to be that tall with metal only to be that heavy, even with the nanotech).

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Wouldn't a good way to calculate the surface area be using the weight of the armor if it had human density? since i'm assuming using the actual weight of the armor would inflate the number a bit

 

[KLOL506]

Wouldn't a good way to calculate the surface area be using the weight of the armor if it had human density? since i'm assuming using the actual weight of the armor would inflate the number a bit

Nobody gets that heavy and muscular to begin with IRL. 600 to 800 lbs is literally obesity levels. Only other option would be to uh... use some software to map up the surface area of Iron Man. And then halve the area to get cross-sectional area (Since only one side takes the impact), when dealing with people taking the boom from up a distance.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Alright i did the square law stuff, currently using the weird crossectional area for iron man as a placeholder

 

[Coolboy6]

Seems to be a nice little upgrade from 15 tons to 44 tons. Sigh, no longer 8-A, but still a nice little upgrade tho.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

It could be a little higher if someone could measure Iron Man's surface area

 

[KLOL506]

At least it supports the Triangular-and-later Arc Reactors being High 8-C and all.

Shame Tom doesn't scale to it. That and Tony is still stuck to scaling above Loki.

 

[KLOL506]

It could be a little higher if someone could measure Iron Man's surface area

Indeed it would. Same goes for War Machine, who has even more guns and more armor padding on him.

Plus, this isn't their true durability anyway, they took it while they were badly weakened and damaged from Ivan's energy absorption.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

And Iron Man almost immediately after flew to save Pepper so they weren't super damaged by it either

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

I updated the calc with the new pressure

 

[KLOL506]

I updated the calc with the new pressure

Good to go now.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Good to go now.

Nice
Also i tried measuring Iron Man's crossectional area in Paint.net, i'm not sure about the accuracy of that but i got around 0.78m2

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

BTW, good news. Finally got the official weight of the armors.

600 to 800 lbs (Mark 5 is 215 lbs). (Archive.vn link) Using only Tony's weight and the suit's height for surface area has always been... inaccurate, especially considering the sheer amount of panel lines of the suit and its chunkiness (Makes no sense for a guy like him to be that tall with metal only to be that heavy, even with the nanotech).

What would this change btw?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I don't think that can scale to the repulsor blast because it took them a few seconds iirc. Though durability wise might as well as upscale to 8-B since their armours were already badly damaged.

 

[KLOL506]

Nice
Also i tried measuring Iron Man's crossectional area in Paint.net, i'm not sure about the accuracy of that but i got around 0.78m2

Paint.net would prolly not cut it, maybe asking the VFX artists might be a better option LOL

 

[Qawsedf234]

BTW, gfycat links are forbidden now

I thought they were only forbidden on profiles since Gfycat had a bad habit of randomly shifting a feat to redgifs

 

[KLOL506]

I thought they were only forbidden on profiles since Gfycat had a bad habit of randomly shifting a feat to redgifs

Ye, that's what I meant.

 

[KLOL506]

bump, can we at least add the new calculation to Cap's page first since this is going really slowly

Bump

This has still not been done yet. I can edit in Cap and Quicksilver if someone unlocks them.

 

[KLOL506]

Bump

 

[Qawsedf234]

I'm on mobile, but I can still unlock them if you link both profiles

 

[KLOL506]

Sure.

Captain America (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Captain Steven Grant "Steve" Rogers is a World War II veteran, a founding member of the Avengers, and Earth's first super soldier. Rogers had suffered from numerous health problems, and upon America's entry into World War II, was rejected from the service within the United States Army despite...

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Quicksilver (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Pietro Maximoff was a native of the Eastern European country of Sokovia who grew up with his fraternal twin sister, Wanda. The country, which was embroiled in constant war and strife, became the base of operations for a HYDRA cell operated by Wolfgang von Strucker, who recruited Pietro and Wanda...

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Quicksilver is unlocked already so I'll go ahead and apply the edits.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Its unlocked

 

[KLOL506]

Carried out the edits, but I'm also contemplating replacing the current gif links with imgur ones.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Carried out the edits, but I'm also contemplating replacing the current gif links with imgur ones.

Gyfcat isn't as much of a problem as half of the gifs leading to broken comicvine URLs.

 

[KLOL506]

Gyfcat isn't as much of a problem as half of the gifs leading to broken comicvine URLs.

Yeah, I meant both gfycat and comicvine.

Also there was a proposal to make Subsonic Cap his peak movement speed, while normally he'd be Superhuman or something.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah because I got Subsonic literally from like a 0.3 second timeframe. Normally over distances he and BP would be Superhuman only, otherwise they wouldn't have to hop on cars during chase scenes.

 

[KLOL506]

Yeah because I got Subsonic literally from like a 0.3 second timeframe. Normally over distances he and BP would be Superhuman only, otherwise they wouldn't have to hop on cars during chase scenes.

Yeah, would you be able to link that Superhuman calc?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Cap ran 13 miles in 30 minutes while casually jogging so that's a nice benchmark. There's this calculation of Black Panther's speed on YouTube and this calculation of Captain America too (it's Korean but there are subtitles) both being Superhuman

 

[KLOL506]

Cap ran 13 miles in 30 minutes while casually jogging so that's a nice benchmark. There's this calculation of Black Panther's speed on YouTube and this calculation of Captain America too (it's Korean but there are subtitles) both being Superhuman

Prolly should upload them in a blog first.

But they look good.

 

[KLOL506]

Bump

Seems like this remained unfinished.

 

[Dalesean027]

What needs to be decided or done?

 

[Qawsedf234]

What needs to be decided or done?

More or less every single Class 100 Scaling thing is bunk except for Iron Man people. The Class 100 WS calc doesn't work, the scaling no longer works and the bulldozer calc comes from a non-canon series.

So everyone that scales from or to Cap needs their lifting strength redone.

 

[Dalesean027]

More or less every single Class 100 Scaling thing is bunk except for Iron Man people. The Class 100 WS calc doesn't work, the scaling no longer works and the bulldozer calc comes from a non-canon series.

So everyone that scales from or to Cap needs their lifting strength redone.

Ah okay is there a list of all the characters who scale directly to him in LS? I can help tomorrow if we're just applying the change

 

[KLOL506]

More or less every single Class 100 Scaling thing is bunk except for Iron Man people. The Class 100 WS calc doesn't work, the scaling no longer works and the bulldozer calc comes from a non-canon series.

There is no Class 100 anymore. The tank Iron Man lifted is a Soviet T-54/T-55 Tank. War Machine's tank feat doesn't have much for it, but it's safe to assume it should be at the very least equal, if not higher, given they're the same type of combat armors after all.

So everyone that scales from or to Cap needs their lifting strength redone.

That and the feat for Cap's Superhuman running speed should be added to a blog, update the LS feats for MCU Spidey (Notably the jet bridge feat that I did here and then recorrected here, prolly should add it in a blog, and then there's the crawler crane feat tug here which is an easy Class 50- the webs are only acting as tethers for Spidey to pull something, akin to pulling a car with a rope so it should be fine to scale to him), do calcs for TASM Lizard's metal door tearing feat, add the cable car weight value for Raimi Spidey's feat and calculate Raimi Spidey lifting the wall as it attempts to fall under MJ (Since Webb-verse Spidey and Raimi-verse Spidey all scale to the MCU now).

Also someone should try calculating all of Ock's feats.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Is the War Machine tank Class 50 or 100?

 

[KLOL506]

Ah okay is there a list of all the characters who scale directly to him in LS? I can help tomorrow if we're just applying the change

We need to deal with the LS calcs first.

 

[Aguywhodoesthings]

Has Cap tearing wood in half been calced? It could yield a good result

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Notably the jet bridge feat that I did here and then recorrected here

Links don’t work

 

[KLOL506]

Is the War Machine tank Class 50 or 100?

Prolly at least Class 50 if it's not an American general we're dealing with.

But if it is, back to Class 100 it goes.