If we use the CS2 Multiplier for Part 2 Base Sasuke who scales to 9.93 Megatons, Part 2 CS2 Sasuke would be 99.3 Megatons.
Since when did Sasuke scale to 7-B+? You know that the 7-Bs scale to 9.93 Megatons right, says so even in the verse page.
We do know Orochimaru is stronger than CS2 Sasuke, so that supports the Sannin's upgrade to 7-A.
Doesn't Base Sasuke scale to 33 megatons? Cause on his profile it says "Clashed with Itachi Uchiha, who was using the Mangekyō Sharingan, matching his blows and shurikenjutsu with his own." Itachi scales to 33 megatons via directly scaling to Base Kisame.
Which Orochimaru?
If that's the case then how do you solve the C2/C3 ~ Sand Shield Scaling?
Prime.
It seems you're misunderstanding something because only C2 and above would scale to CS2 and not Deidara.
No, I got that. But if Deidara got stronger his ninjutsu would obviously get stronger.
In no point did Deidara physically harm CS2 Sasuke, he could only harm CS2 Sasuke with C2.
When I say his ninjutsu, I mean C2. Lemme make a model of it to make it clearer.
Then why did you say this?
Because Deidara getting stronger makes all his techs stronger.
You literally take words too seriously
Why exactly?
That's specifically for his gourd sand.
1. That was a casual feat, 2. He could have used more sand to stop the C3 because you know they're surrounded in sand.
Ok, but the same point still stands that his C2 scales higher than his previous C3.
And how can you prove this when the only time C2 is revealed is against Sasuke
We don't see the initial Sand Shield though because it got exploded
I explained why
We know it's not bigger than the explosion of C3 since it's not visible underneath it, and C3's explosion is also far smaller than the sand Gaara initiall raised.
It's not about the easiest solution. It's about accuracy.
I don't recall you giving a proper explanation other than "This Deidara is stronger"
And your's isn't any more accurate than mine.
You ignored this.
Deidara is stronger because he could damage someone with greater durability than Gaara's sand. His sand shield isn't way more durable than his 100 megatons of sand because it's smaller and is made of the same material.
That's it, that's all you've got to try and give Deidara a redundant Key?
Wdym "that's it?" Unless you can refute that then it's sufficient evidence, and makes sense considering there's months between BoS and the Sasuke vs Deidara fight.
You argument still boils down to:
That's not my argument
Yes it is though? Deidara got stronger because: 1. Damaged CS2 Sasuke 2. Time gap
Because it's redundant
It isn't even back scaling though, back scaling would be if BoS Gaara was given direct scaling instead of just Higher
It's not because he didn't show it before. It's because we know it's weaker than C3 which has a known AP limit. If he used C3 and it did the same amount of damage to Sasuke my proposition wouldn't change despite it being shown before.
Because there's literally no need to give him another Key you're arbitrarily assuming that he got stronger just because.
Gaara has his own casual 100 Megaton feat, and him having a "Higher" does not mean he scales to 330 Megaton it just means he's able to do feats unquantifiably higher than his casual feat but below the 330 Megaton feat
You know what? I still disagree, but this isn't worth spending all this time arguing about. Sure it can get a higher.
And I still disagree with Deidara needing another Key
I did say "Sure it can get a higher."
The simple case is that Sasuke doesn't scale above c3 and c2 meaning there's no reason to make a new key. Deidara just has strong c2 bombs, c3 > c2 is still a thing and would not make sense for Kishi just throw that scaling out the window for Deidara. I know you hate backscaling but it just is a thing when characters lack time and training and implications for getting stronger.
I didn't say Sasuke scales above C2, I said the opposite. Anyways, that's not part of the OP and I conceded that argument anyways.
There was tons of smoke in the surrounding area though.
smoke? but the ground, trees, them, nothing looks remotely damaged. Just laziness and randomness from the dev team for the games if anything, adding random smoke to imply something happened but really oro and sasori held back on jutsus.
There's reason to think Orochimaru held back, but not Sasori.
The point is that not much damage doesn't mean as much as you think.
His sand is pretty much the only thing he uses though, so it's quite likely Orochimaru had to deal with the sand.
But to get to the 3rd's body, she would need to get past his iron sand.
I think the fact the environment isn't destroyed implies he held back with the iron sand, again we know the iron sand is destructive when its used yet nothing of that is shown. Also the third can engage in combat, who's to say he even used iron sand? Oro also doesn't mention it nor do we see random iron sand lying around.
It does though, both cause wide damage when they fight and that isn't present at all. At the very least what happened is Sasori only had the puppet engage in Taijutsu, I mean hell when he pulled third out he had use weapons not the iron sand.
Yet as same with Oro, instead of going and pulling out iron sand like he would do if its his only thing, he uses Taijutsu to fight her. She also gets up by the third and only seems to scale in speed to him. I think what Sasori is doing is keeping the iron sand hidden and not using one of his greatest weapons, it makes sense against oro and Konan. He's a secretive member, doesn't want things about him being known, doesn't want to reveal his cards, idk just seems like Sasori holds back his iron sand against them.
