Marvel Comics - Thor Shaking the Realms of the World Tree

[NaturalDestroyer]

Alright, i think i can start making the 2-C upgrade thread this Thursday, the only problem is, i want people to review the thread before posting it
How can i do that?

I'm not sure, but I'll be happy to look at it when it's ready

 

[ObberGobb]

You could make a rough draft in your sandbox and post in here

 

[NHTkenshin2]

We'll be happy

I'll try a sandbox

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Yes, comrade

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Y'know, we are still left with a bit of a problem here, if i remember correctly a LOT of people disagreed with Conflucters DC and Marvel comics infinitely sized universes thread, DCs was eventually accepted yes, but Marvels wasnt, while me personally, i definitely, 100% believe the Marvel Universe is infinitely sized, but i have a feeling that if we go through with this, alot of people would dismiss the High 3-A feats


But, i have a possible solution, with our current High 3-A feats (specifically the ones not Whatever this is called )

• Thor tanks an explosion that rivalled the Big Bang and destroyed the black galaxy | 3-A - High 3-A | Thor (1966) #424
• Hulk causing earthquakes on infinite planets | High 3-A | dont know ngl
• Hulk having his power level measured as infinite | High 3-A | Secret Wars II #8
• Beta Ray Bill and stardust shake the universe | High 3-A | Stormbreaker: The saga of Beta Ray Bill #3 & #4
• Thor tanks the unbinding stone | possibly High 3-A Low 2-C | Thor: The deviants saga #5
• Hulk destroys a universe fighting Onslaught | High 3-A | Hulk: Grand Design - Madness #1
• Hercules lifts the heavens | High 3-A | Incredible Hercules (2008) #121

Can we find evidence that the authors of these comics think that the universe is infinitely sized?
Will be difficult, but necessary

 

[KLOL506]

Y'know, we are still left with a bit of a problem here, if i remember correctly a LOT of people disagreed with Conflucters DC and Marvel comics infinitely sized universes thread, DCs was eventually accepted yes, but Marvels wasnt, while me personally, i definitely, 100% believe the Marvel Universe is infinitely sized, but i have a feeling that if we go through with this, alot of people would dismiss the High 3-A feats

But, i have a possible solution, with our current High 3-A feats (specifically the ones not Whatever this is called )

Can we find evidence that the authors of these comics think that the universe is infinitely sized?
Will be difficult, but necessary

Wait, a separate CRT for Marvel Universes being High 3-A wasn't made?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Not to my knowledge

 

[Antvasima]

Wouldn't it be 9 because Yggdrasil?

A pointless tenth realm of Yggdrasil called "Heven" has been introduced thanks to Neil Gaiman, Joe Quesada, and Jason Aaron.

 

[Antvasima]

He doesn't scale to Phoenix Force's 2-A/Low 1-C because of the Phoenix Force revision, where only a few hosts are at that level

And he doesn't scale to the 2-A Odinforce because Confluctor

We should not cross-scale different timeline versions of characters, but use their own feats instead.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, Thor definitely needs supernatural willpower, yes. He likely qualifies more than any other Marvel character that I know of.

Help with finding very good feats for him in this regard would be very appreciated.

In any case, I recently posted this in another thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Here are some lists of Marvel Comics pages with different tiers that may be useful for finding the pages that you are looking for much more easily:

Antvasima/DPL

vsbattles.fandom.com

In any case, we still need to get much more organised, and build a rational coherent plan regarding which characters that should scale to what, if we are are going to get anywhere here.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, let's return to the main focus of our discussion here please. Meaning the which characters that should scale to what.

Superhuman willpower feats for Thor wouldn't hurt either.

 

[NaturalDestroyer]

Well, let's return to the main focus of our discussion here please. Meaning the which characters that should scale to what.

Superhuman willpower feats for Thor wouldn't hurt either.

One that comes to mind is when he resisted the psychic toxins produced by Glory, a skyfather-level being, and relied on his "divine spark" to keep him going when other mortals or gods would have succumbed.

Edit: He also redirects a blast from Glory that's stated to contain its entire power, which should be 2-A since it's stated to have the strength of Odin and all of the rest of Asgard combined

 

[Antvasima]

My apologies if I worded things poorly. I lack mental filters and am virtually incapable of lying, unless it is white lies by omission, so I unfortunately tend to be blunt and clumsy in communication.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, let's return to the main focus of our discussion here please. Meaning the which characters that should scale to what.

Superhuman willpower feats for Thor wouldn't hurt either.

Anyway, about this...

 

[Antvasima]

Let's return to figuring out how to scale the 5-B, 3-C, and 2-C Marvel Comics characters instead.

 

[Eseseso]

Let's return to figuring out how to scale the 5-B, 3-C, and 2-C Marvel Comics characters instead.

I'm just waiting for the Sandbox for the 2-C people

 

[Antvasima]

I'm just waiting for the Sandbox for the 2-C people

Well, feel free to help out with analysing the characters, and presenting rationally justified suggestions.

 

[Eseseso]

Well, feel free to help out with analysing the characters, and presenting rationally justified suggestions.

Well, I feel that for Doom's overall durability without prep, considering how there are plenty of times where he tanked blows from Thor, Hulk, Sentry, and even one time where he beat a Robot Hulk powered by the Power Cosmic, his normal durability should be 2-C.

His normal AP wouldn't scale.

I don't think anyone would scale to that since I don't recall any fodder (or many other characters in general) breaking Doom's armor.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I feel that for Doom's overall durability without prep, considering how there are plenty of times where he tanked blows from Thor, Hulk, Sentry, and even one time where he beat a Robot Hulk powered by the Power Cosmic, his normal durability should be 2-C.

I think that none of those instances prove that he can consistently withstand all-out attacks from 2-C level characters written at their peaks, and does not usually get damaged by far less. His force-fields might scale though.

 

[Antvasima]

Again, we should both preferably stop derailing and all focus on getting this project properly organised though.

 

[Antvasima]

Should I delete the political parts of our posts above so we can get this project back on track?

 

[Excellence616]

Should I delete the political parts of our posts above so we can get this project back on track?

Yeah

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that I have removed all of it now. Let's continue with the main issues of this discussion please.

 

[Antvasima]

Here are some lists of Marvel Comics pages with different tiers that may be useful for finding the pages that you are looking for much more easily:

Antvasima/DPL

vsbattles.fandom.com

In any case, we still need to get much more organised, and build a rational coherent plan regarding which characters that should scale to what, if we are are going to get anywhere here.

Superhuman willpower feats for Thor wouldn't hurt either.

One that comes to mind is when he resisted the psychic toxins produced by Glory, a skyfather-level being, and relied on his "divine spark" to keep him going when other mortals or gods would have succumbed.

Let's return to figuring out how to scale the 5-B, 3-C, and 2-C Marvel Comics characters instead.

We can probably take off from here.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Is this feat really unusable?

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Is this feat really unusable?

No. That is not what happened in the original Onslaught storyline. It seems like an unreliable retelling intended to make fun of overenthusiastic fans of the character.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

We should not cross-scale different timeline versions of characters, but use their own feats instead.

What if various guides state that a character from a different timeline is stronger than another character from other timeline?

 

[Eseseso]

That feat looks incredibly dubious to me.

 

[Antvasima]

What if various guides state that a character from a different timeline is stronger than another character from other timeline?

We generally try to avoid using Marvel handbooks, as the statistics there tend to simply be what Tom Brevoort comes up with in a few minutes from decades old memories of comics that he has read.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

We generally try to avoid using Marvel handbooks, as the statistics there tend to simply be what Tom Brevoort comes up with in a few minutes from decades old memories of comics that he has read.

I see...ok.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

The Destroyer and Mangog definitely should be 2-C as well

Would Jane Foster's 3-C rating remain the same or would she become 2-C? Because if Mangog gets upgraded to 2-C, JF Thor would still downscale since she can still fight and harm Mangog

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Can someone give me a tldr ? I want to join and help but I missed the first 4 pages

 

[Eseseso]

I think that none of those instances prove that he can consistently withstand all-out attacks from 2-C level characters written at their peaks, and does not usually get damaged by far less. His force-fields might scale though.

I mean, he tanked a blitz attack from Sentry with his armor at only 7% power.

And he withstood an assault from a robot Hulk infused with the Power Cosmic and was ridiculously casual about it, even mocking the Robot Hulk.

Even without his force fields, a headbutt from Hulk merely dents his armor

And in that issue where he replicated the destroyer armor, he took a lot of hits from a pissed Thor and was fine.

We could also rediscuss how his force fields tanked Celestial beams for 28 minutes, which IMO is a good 2-A durability feat for his forcefields.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Also, he can take a hit from Ares, who IIRC is comparable to Hercules and Thor.

Ares is 5-B

 

[Eseseso]

Ares is 5-B

That makes zero sense considering his profile literally says he is comparable to Thor and Hercules.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

That makes zero sense considering his profile literally says he is comparable to Thor and Hercules.

I'm guessing he scales to the 5-B part of Thor and Hercules. Also Ares' profile is shit

 

[Antvasima]

Would Jane Foster's 3-C rating remain the same or would she become 2-C? Because if Mangog gets upgraded to 2-C, JF Thor would still downscale since she can still fight and harm Mangog

Jane and Beta Ray Bill would probably get "Usually 3-C, 2-C at their peak" tiers as well, in lack of better options.

 

[Antvasima]

I mean, he tanked a blitz attack from Sentry with his armor at only 7% power.

And he withstood an assault from a robot Hulk infused with the Power Cosmic and was ridiculously casual about it, even mocking the Robot Hulk.

Even without his force fields, a headbutt from Hulk merely dents his armor

Also, he can take a hit from Ares, who IIRC is comparable to Hercules and Thor.

And in that issue where he replicated the destroyer armor, he took a lot of hits from a pissed Thor and was fine.

We could also rediscuss how his force fields tanked Celestial beams for 28 minutes, which IMO is a good 2-A durability feat for his forcefields.

Well, the robot Hulk is an unknown factor, and we do not know what level the writers portrayed the other characters at the time, but I suppose that "At least 3-C, possibly 2-C; 2-A with force fields" durability might work, in lack of better options.