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Marvel Comics - Odin AP Revision
- Thread starter ObberGobb
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If Gorr merged universes, "At least 2-C" seems like reasonable tiering, yes, but can somebody link to scans for it please?
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Bump
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I don't have the scans on me, I am afraid, so no idea what to do about their tiering rn
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Would any of you be willing to help us find scans or references for proper tiering of Gorr and Old King Thor please?
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It's on his profile, no? Gorr became one with the entire universe. He doesn't merge multiple universes, so it's not a 2-C feat
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By the way, Cul Borson stays at 2-C, right? Because the justification that "Odin also later had to personally keep him imprisoned by devoting his full power to the task" sounds a bit like 2-A (or maybe that's just me)
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Okay, so should he and Old King Thor be 3-A or Low 2-C then?
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I do not know, maybe he should get a variable tier matching Odin's as well?
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I think that could work, since he does gain power from absorbing fear and he's not always 2-C/2-A, if I'm not wrong
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A variable tier would make sense for him. He grows stronger based on fear.
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Odin and Old King Thor scaling to each other should be fine.
Necroverse Gorr as just stronger than the previous power, possibly matching OKT should be fine.
Necroverse Gorr as just stronger than the previous power, possibly matching OKT should be fine.
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We already went through this. There is no reason for that and rarely any evidence for scaling
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Wait, really? Crap... Is OKT scaling to the smaller Phoenix Force still fine?
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For now, yes
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No
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The issue is, we have no reasons to scale them especially since it's an alt reality. For all we know, that Odinforce Thor is wayyy weaker than the original or wayyyyy more powerful.
Phoenix scaling is our best option rn.
Phoenix scaling is our best option rn.
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It isn't a completely different universe though, it is just an alternate future of the normal 616 Universe. Everything that happened in 616 happened in that timeline, and if Thor dies in 616, he dies in that alt future too. I agree with Phoenix scaling, but I don't get why its ok to assume the Phoenix Force is the same but not the Odin/Thor Force.
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Alternative futures are other universe in the grander marvel cosmology. So essentially it is a separate universe. There are a million different alt futures - and each has essentially become universe of their own.
and again, it did happen, however, what if force has gotten weaker or stronger? It's just kinda folly to scale it to canon when there are too many factors to consider.
Because phoenix force is a multiversal constant like abstracts. They are ALWAYS the same everywhere and everywhen. Odinforce isn't a verse constant like her.
and again, it did happen, however, what if force has gotten weaker or stronger? It's just kinda folly to scale it to canon when there are too many factors to consider.
Because phoenix force is a multiversal constant like abstracts. They are ALWAYS the same everywhere and everywhen. Odinforce isn't a verse constant like her.
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What kind of universe merging would warrant either of those tiers?
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I know. I'm asking what would make Gorr's single universe merging 3-A and what would make it Low 2-C?
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I meant that being one with all of universal space-time is usually considered to be a Low 2-C feat as a default, but being one with just the physical aspect of a universe without time involved is just 3-A.
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It's just changing the current "2-A, possibly Low 1-C" down to 3-A, right?
Making Cul Borson's tier either "Varies, up to 2-A" or "Varies from 3-C to 2-A". Though I'm not sure what the 3-C justification would be
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it won`t even be 3A. Most of the universe was already destroyed by entropy
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I think so, yes, but you need to explain the reasoning as well.
Thor was able to almost kill him during the "Fear Itself" event.
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Okay, but we scale 3-A from the observable universe and upwards.
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most of the universe has already been claimed by entropy. The universer gorr merged with isn`t the full size of the universe. It won`t be 3A
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Thor did kill him during that event, no? And isn’t currently agreed that it’s because of prophecy stuff + Odinsword?
Plus, wasn’t it during that event that Cul became powerful enough to slaughter Odin and scare Mephisto?
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