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Wait, will Hulk and other characters with canonically varied power level keep their ''varies'' tiers?
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Yes, we cannot just start to randomly mess up our entire scaling system without a really good plan of approach in which we take the potential resulting problems into account.Do you mean like this?
Wait, will Hulk and other characters with canonically varied power level keep their ''varies'' tiers?
That is correct, yes, but Thor technically has been portrayed even more inconsistently than the Hulk has in terms of power level. He just doesn't have an official excuse for this plot convention other than "he hold back on Earth and against mortals", so I am still not sure if getting rid of his 5-B statistic is a good idea or not (he has really been portrayed as a 9-A as a minimum, but we have to try to use his general portrayals).Definitely.
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I tried to make some corrections. Thank you very much for helping out.I'll be pretty busy these next couple of days, so it will be appreciated if people gave suggestions on how to improve the blog
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Do most fictional characters on this site who are Big Bang Level get scaled to 3-C to 3-B?I tried to make some corrections. Thank you very much for helping out.
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I don't think that's used for any other character who scales to the Big Bang.I do not know, but those were the energy values that I could find for it.
However, the information is likely outdated, as I think that the big bang is considered to be a spacetime expansion rather than an energy and matter explosion nowadays.
Given that an energy release is the concept that such statements seem to be based on, we still likely have to use those values though.
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Do most fictional characters on this site who are Big Bang Level get scaled to 3-C to 3-B?
I do not know, but those were the energy values that I could find for it.
However, the information is likely outdated, as I think that the big bang is considered to be a spacetime expansion rather than an energy and matter explosion nowadays.
Given that an energy release is the concept that such statements seem to be based on, we still likely have to use those values though.
@DontTalkDTI don't think that's used for any other character who scales to the Big Bang.
There should be a discussion on Big Bang scaling.
It's 3-A if the comic doesn't mention space-time, Low 2-C if it does.Hmm. It seems weird to me given the much lesser traditionally calculated energy release for such an event, but if that is our official policy, I cannot just suddenly overrule it.
I would prefer to see what DontTalk thinks though.
To be honest, I believe a "Varies" instead of 5-B fits him far better, as you said Thor was shown at very different levels and I don't think putting him solid at Tier 5 while holding back represents his actual casual showingsThat is correct, yes, but Thor technically has been portrayed even more inconsistently than the Hulk has in terms of power level. He just doesn't have an official excuse for this plot convention other than "he hold back on Earth and against mortals", so I am still not sure if getting rid of his 5-B statistic is a good idea or not (he has really been portrayed as a 9-A as a minimum, but we have to try to use his general portrayals).
Isn't a "Varies" tier only used for characters with actual power mechanisms, like Hulk or Sentry?To be honest, I believe a "Varies" instead of 5-B fits him far better, as you said Thor was shown at very different levels and I don't think putting him solid at Tier 5 while holding back represents his actual casual showings
I thought speed scaling from Thor was already addressed on the "Notes" section of his profileThor Vs Wolverine for example
We have profiles with a variable Tier based on "varies because they put different levels of power on their attacks", of course this kinda happens with everyone, so it's not easy to get accepted, but it is used on notable showings of variable power level. Thor may be one of the biggest examples of thisIsn't a "Varies" tier only used for characters with an actual power mechanisms, like Hulk or Sentry?
Well, I suppose that might work.We have profiles with a variable Tier based on "varies because they put different levels of power on their attacks", of course this kinda happens with everyone, so it's not easy to get accepted, but it is used on notable showings of variable power level. Thor may be one of the biggest examples of this
"Varies, 3-C normally, up to 2-C at peak, 2-A with the God Blast" seems way better if u ask me
Actual calculations and common sense definitely do, but as I said, I cannot just suddenly overrule our official policies.Yeah I really don't think anything supports a Big Bang being below 3-A.
Not even the wiki page for it.
If a calc discussion thread is made and it is agreed that it is 3-C to 3-B in the future, then we can change it.Actual calculations and common sense definitely do,but as I said, I cannot just suddenly overrule our official policies.
Doesn't Thing damage Doom's armour?I still stand by normal Doom even without prep having 2-C durability but not AP.
The dude has tanked a blitz from sentry when his armor was only on 7% power, tanked a lot of hits from a pissed Thor, and tanked hits from Hulk and kept going with little issue.
Iron Man armors 29 and 42 do NOT scale since they never did major damage to the actual armor, he only matched Doom in AP.
Yes, but please remember that it would require far more energy to destroy the physical matter of all the stars in an already expanded universe than simply taking billions of years to hurl all matter to that distance in the first place without any friction resistance in the way, so I am most likely factually correct.If a calc discussion thread is made and it is agreed that it is 3-C to 3-B in the future, then we can change it.
True, but that was in the earlier comics, and all his 2-C durability feats are in the more recent ones.Doesn't Thing damage Doom's armour?
We can likely assume they're >= his armor's normal durability.Well, we usually do not know if his force fields are active or not, as they are usually not visible.
Could this be used, which would either be 3-A or 2-C Big Bang?I remember this scan that said the Big Bang formed universes, but idk how applicable it is to this
So, what was accepted, guys ? I can try to help the additions if needed
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Actually it is 2-C at peak for all. But hulk and sentry will keep their varied tier.So these are all fine to add ?
I gotta ask, our plan is to add a "2-C at peak" for Thor, right ? In that case, what happens to "At peak" Hulk ? I know they fought before but how can we tell what level Thor was going ?
I wouldn't be against "3-C normally, High 3-A at peak for Hulk", leaving their peak states to their own feats unless someone has a direct scaling (for example, Thor hitting Hulk with "power enough to destroy worlds" would give 2-C to both)
Same for the others
Can u tell me the reasons or link the comment ? Hard to keep up with all the pagesActually it is 2-C at peak for all. But hulk and sentry will keep their varied tier.
Because they are one of the characters with canonically varied power level. Hulk's rage and Sentry's mental state.Can u tell me the reasons or link the comment ? Hard to keep up with all the pages
Actually it is 2-C at peak for all. But hulk and sentry will keep their varied tier.
That is correct, yes, but we still need to determine which characters that can reliably be scaled to their 2-C peak portrayals.Because they are one of the characters with canonically varied power level. Hulk's rage and Sentry's mental state.
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Yes, but we should preferably only use the feats that I listed there as reliably 3-A and above to scale them from, not the ones that mention the Big Bang, which seems to be an outdated scientific concept, and did not remotely reach 3-A levels of energy according to the old cosmological models.So these are all fine to add ?