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Wait, will Hulk and other characters with canonically varied power level keep their ''varies'' tiers?
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Marvel Comics - Thor Shaking the Realms of the World Tree
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Definitely.
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Yes, we cannot just start to randomly mess up our entire scaling system without a really good plan of approach in which we take the potential resulting problems into account.
That is correct, yes, but Thor technically has been portrayed even more inconsistently than the Hulk has in terms of power level. He just doesn't have an official excuse for this plot convention other than "he hold back on Earth and against mortals", so I am still not sure if getting rid of his 5-B statistic is a good idea or not (he has really been portrayed as a 9-A as a minimum, but we have to try to use his general portrayals).
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The Galactus vs Thor feat link just links to Thor vs Destroyer ArmorI'll be pretty busy these next couple of days, so it will be appreciated if people gave suggestions on how to improve the blog
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I tried to make some corrections. Thank you very much for helping out.I'll be pretty busy these next couple of days, so it will be appreciated if people gave suggestions on how to improve the blog
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Do most fictional characters on this site who are Big Bang Level get scaled to 3-C to 3-B?I tried to make some corrections. Thank you very much for helping out.
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I do not know, but those were the energy values that I could find for it.
However, the information is likely outdated, as I think that the big bang is considered to be a spacetime expansion rather than an energy and matter explosion nowadays.
Given that an energy release is the concept that such statements seem to be based on, we still likely have to use those values though.
However, the information is likely outdated, as I think that the big bang is considered to be a spacetime expansion rather than an energy and matter explosion nowadays.
Given that an energy release is the concept that such statements seem to be based on, we still likely have to use those values though.
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I don't think that's used for any other character who scales to the Big Bang.
There should be a discussion on Big Bang scaling.
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I tried to make some corrections. Thank you very much for helping out.
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Would you be willing to evaluate the Big Bang energy value part of this please?
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Hmm. It seems weird to me given the much lesser traditionally calculated energy release for such an event, but if that is our official policy, I cannot just suddenly overrule it.
I would prefer to see what DontTalk thinks though.
I would prefer to see what DontTalk thinks though.
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It's 3-A if the comic doesn't mention space-time, Low 2-C if it does.
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I remember this scan that said the Big Bang formed universes, but idk how applicable it is to this
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If taken literal this statement is 3-A or 2-C
Also, i fixed the galactus scan
Also, i fixed the galactus scan
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To be honest, I believe a "Varies" instead of 5-B fits him far better, as you said Thor was shown at very different levels and I don't think putting him solid at Tier 5 while holding back represents his actual casual showings
I also believe we could try "Speed Holding Back" tiers, since most outliers in AP are also problematic in terms of speed (aka street tier heroes attacking heralds, Thor Vs Wolverine for example)
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Isn't a "Varies" tier only used for characters with actual power mechanisms, like Hulk or Sentry?
I thought speed scaling from Thor was already addressed on the "Notes" section of his profile
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We have profiles with a variable Tier based on "varies because they put different levels of power on their attacks", of course this kinda happens with everyone, so it's not easy to get accepted, but it is used on notable showings of variable power level. Thor may be one of the biggest examples of this
"Varies, 3-C normally, up to 2-C at peak, 2-A with the God Blast" seems way better if u ask me
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I still stand by normal Doom even without prep having 2-C durability but not AP.
The dude has tanked a blitz from sentry when his armor was only on 7% power, tanked a lot of hits from a pissed Thor, and tanked hits from Hulk and kept going with little issue.
Iron Man armors 29 and 42 do NOT scale since they never did major damage to the actual armor, he only matched Doom in AP.
The dude has tanked a blitz from sentry when his armor was only on 7% power, tanked a lot of hits from a pissed Thor, and tanked hits from Hulk and kept going with little issue.
Iron Man armors 29 and 42 do NOT scale since they never did major damage to the actual armor, he only matched Doom in AP.
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Well, I suppose that might work.
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Actual calculations and common sense definitely do, but as I said, I cannot just suddenly overrule our official policies.
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If a calc discussion thread is made and it is agreed that it is 3-C to 3-B in the future, then we can change it.
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Doesn't Thing damage Doom's armour?
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Yes, but please remember that it would require far more energy to destroy the physical matter of all the stars in an already expanded universe than simply taking billions of years to hurl all matter to that distance in the first place without any friction resistance in the way, so I am most likely factually correct.
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True, but that was in the earlier comics, and all his 2-C durability feats are in the more recent ones.
We could just say his normal armor/force fields "Go up to 2-C durability", or something like that
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We can likely assume they're >= his armor's normal durability.
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Yes, but his armor having 2-C level durability in itself without force fields seems insanely high, and as the writers not keeping track of the power levels of his opponents, or them not going all out.
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Could this be used, which would either be 3-A or 2-C Big Bang?
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So, what was accepted, guys ? I can try to help the additions if needed
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So these are all fine to add ?NHTkenshin2/sandbox
I gotta ask, our plan is to add a "2-C at peak" for Thor, right ? In that case, what happens to "At peak" Hulk ? I know they fought before but how can we tell what level Thor was going ?
I wouldn't be against "3-C normally, High 3-A at peak for Hulk", leaving their peak states to their own feats unless someone has a direct scaling (for example, Thor hitting Hulk with "power enough to destroy worlds" would give 2-C to both)
Same for the others
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Actually it is 2-C at peak for all. But hulk and sentry will keep their varied tier.
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Can u tell me the reasons or link the comment ? Hard to keep up with all the pages
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Im currently very busy to answer anything
But i believe high heralds will be “3-C, up to 2-C”
But i believe high heralds will be “3-C, up to 2-C”
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Because they are one of the characters with canonically varied power level. Hulk's rage and Sentry's mental state.
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That is correct, yes, but we still need to determine which characters that can reliably be scaled to their 2-C peak portrayals.
See here for useful character lists that can be used to investigate:
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Yes, but we should preferably only use the feats that I listed there as reliably 3-A and above to scale them from, not the ones that mention the Big Bang, which seems to be an outdated scientific concept, and did not remotely reach 3-A levels of energy according to the old cosmological models.
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