Marvel Comics: Hulk Upgrade And Ability Addition

[Entity]

Anyway, the Marvel Comics wiki lists the "Fractured Son" as a separate personality and power level compared to the childlike Hulk, which I also think is blatantly obvious, so we should follow suit and separate the two in terms of statistics keys.

Is somebody here willing to handle it please?

him saying that he would discuss alters later on in the comic.

I don't think it should be separated until it stated in the comics to be a new persona

 

[Antvasima]

Why not?

Well, even base Thor has repeatedly demonstrated feat of an infinite timelines level and above, and with the Odinforce he should be comparable to Galactus, whereas the Hulk's feats are mostly of a much lower planetary scale treated as impressive for him, outside of "Raahh, me strongest there is! Smash, hate, destroy, mutilate! Me great role model to aspire towards!" plot conventions leading him to be able to punch far above his apparent true weight class.

 

[Antvasima]

I don't think it should be separated until it stated in the comics to be a new persona

It is very blatantly a very different personality, size, appearance, and power level, which the Marvel wiki acknowledges, so mashing them together still doesn't make any sense.

 

[VeryGoofyToddler2]

Well, even base Thor has repeatedly demonstrated feat of an infinite timelines level and above, and with the Odinforce he should be comparable to Galactus, whereas the Hulk's feats are mostly of a much lower planetary scale treated as impressive for him, outside of "Raahh, me strongest there is! Smash, hate, destroy, mutilate! Me great role model to aspire towards!" plot conventions leading him to be able to punch far above his apparent true weight class.

Galactus is much above the Odinforce. Though, Thor's recent showing is getting him up there, certainly.

 

[Antvasima]

Galactus is much above the Odinforce. Though, Thor's recent showing is getting him up there, certainly.

Well, moderately fed Galactus seems comparable, but maybe I exaggerated a bit. My apologies in that case.

 

[Entity]

Well, even base Thor has repeatedly demonstrated feat of an infinite timelines level and above, and with the Odinforce he should be comparable to Galactus, whereas the Hulk's feats are mostly of a much lower planetary scale treated as impressive for him, outside of "Raahh, me strongest there is! Smash, hate, destroy, mutilate! Me great role model to aspire towards!" plot conventions leading him to be able to punch far above his apparent true weight class.

Able to shake the infinite universes of the crossroad, avatar of TOAA, multiple times stalemated characters like Thor even when powered by the Odinforce, fought on par with Onslaught when he was powered by Franklin Richards's powers, was used to fuel a barrier made to stop a Celestial stopping him too. When mentally controlled by TOAA was also able to kill both Galactus and Franklin Richards and The Sentience of the Cosmos too. It's not above his apparent true weight class, that's his weight class

It is very blatantly a very different personality, size, appearance, and power level, which the Marvel wiki acknowledges, so mashing them together still doesn't make any sense.

Hulk's size always changes, it depends on who writes the comics in which he appears, his power level didn't really change and he's just smarter than usual, but his intelligence varies too based on what the writer wants to do, that one is still the same personality that was trapped and used by banner in his last run

 

[Antvasima]

Able to shake the infinite universes of the crossroad

That honestly seemed to be more of a feature of the Crossroads Nexus, and Ironclad performed the same feat, but fair enough.

avatar of TOAA

Well, empowered by TOBA at least, but so are all gamma-mutates, including the ones that are intelligent rather than strong.

multiple times stalemated characters like Thor even when powered by the Odinforce

Well, a few times.

fought on par with Onslaught when he was powered by Franklin Richards's powers

True enough. That was very explicit.

was used to fuel a barrier made to stop a Celestial stopping him too.

Also true.

When mentally controlled by TOAA was also able to kill both Galactus and Franklin Richards and The Sentience of the Cosmos too.

Yes, but my intended point is that due to plot convention, which was later formalised as being empowered by the devil of Marvel Comics, or the dark side of the in continuity writer character, it seems to be a plot convention as an actual superpower that enables him to fight or counteract characters far above his feats class based on quantifiable feats alone.

Hulk's size always changes, it depends on who writes the comics in which he appears, his power level didn't really change and he's just smarter than usual, but his intelligence varies too based on what the writer wants to do, that one is still the same personality that was trapped and used by banner in his last run

That doesn't exactly make a good argument for why this should not be treated as a separate personality, unless you want us to ignore the distinctions between other Hulk personalities as well.

 

[Entity]

Well, empowered by TOBA at least, but so are all gamma-mutates, including the ones that are intelligent rather than strong.

And he remains the one with the closest connection to TOAA/TOBA or he would not be the Fractured Son

Yes, but my intended point is that due to plot convention, which was later formalised as being empowered by the devil of Marvel Comics, or the dark side of the in continuity writer character, it seems to be a plot convention as an actual superpower that enables him to fight or counteract characters far above his feats class based on quantifiable feats alone.

Because obviously Hulk would show that levels of anger when fighting others, then we have Banner's influence that always lowers Hulk's strength. Hulk has always been considered one of the strongest heroes in Marvel and even without the TOAA justification it would still be plausible for him to be at that level as he constantly fights people at that level, his power is literally that, the angrier the strongest

That doesn't exactly make a good argument for why this should not be treated as a separate personality, unless you want us to ignore the distinctions between other Hulk personalities as well.

You didn't really bring any argument other than "Marvel Comics wiki did it", the author already said that they'll bring the other personas later in the story, which means that the "Fractured Son" is the main one, the Child/Savage Hulk, treating the two as different personalities would be an assumption, just wait for the end of the run to see if there are any direct statements that divide the two in different personalities

 

[Antvasima]

That is not correct. My point is that the distinctions of different personality, appearance, intelligence, size, and power level are basically what we base the distinction between other different incarnations on, which the Marvel Comics Wiki has noticed, and the Fractured Son seems to be the most powerful incarnation yet, whereas the childlike Hulk was comparatively far weaker, so our scaling is currently completely messed up and we provide misinformation to our visitors, which is unacceptable.

 

[Entity]

That is not correct. My point is that the distinctions of different personality, appearance, intelligence, size, and power level are basically what we base the distinction between other different incarnations on, which the Marvel Comics Wiki has noticed, and the Fractured Son seems to be the most powerful incarnation yet, whereas the childlike Hulk was comparatively far weaker, so our scaling is currently completely messed up and we provide misinformation to our visitors, which is unacceptable.

Hulk's appearence change based on who draws him, if you just take a look at when child Hulk was skinny in the main run of Immortal Hulk and then take a look at the Christmas special you'll see quite a few differences in physical appearence, the Fractured Son is not blue or red or has any distinctive trait that would make him different
He is less childish yes, because he is not always that childish, his intelligence and manners, way he talks have always been inconsistent, that depends on what the writer wants to show
Personalities have different power levels, yes, but that only changes how much anger they need to reach a certain level, I remember a scan about Grey Hulk in the wiki about this when of him fighting Doctor Doom, Child Hulk is not far weaker, he is the one who fought Thor with the Odinforce
The scaling is not messed up and the author already said that the one in this run is the main Hulk persona, not a different one, since they'll talk about the other later in the comic and from what the Hulk himself says he is the same who was trapped by Banner in the "Spaceship Hulk" who is the same Hulk he made peace with in Immortal Hulk who is Child/Savage Hulk
Creating a Fractured Son key would be misinformation

 

[Antvasima]

Hmm. So he is likely simply an evolved version of the childlike Hulk who has grown larger, more powerful, and more intelligent then? I suppose that changes things.

 

[Entity]

So he is likely simply an evolved version of the childlike Hulk who has grown larger, more powerful, and more intelligent then?

The size changes based on who draws, it is not consistent
More powerful? Not really, strength is based on anger and every personality can reach that kind of power, what changes is how fast they reach it or if they limit themselves due to morality or not being that angry
More intelligent yes, more mature, but the level of intelligence will probably change with a different author

 

[Excellence616]

Well, even base Thor has repeatedly demonstrated feat of an infinite timelines level and above, and with the Odinforce he should be comparable to Galactus, whereas the Hulk's feats are mostly of a much lower planetary scale treated as impressive for him, outside of "Raahh, me strongest there is! Smash, hate, destroy, mutilate! Me great role model to aspire towards!" plot conventions leading him to be able to punch far above his apparent true weight class.

Hulk being as powerful Thor is nothing surprising. He has being compared to Thor on multiple occasion even by Odin and Loki. Was stated to be stronger than all mortals and most Immortal, Stronger than Onslaught who was empowered by Franklin and Nate Grey, Thanos compared his power to the Power gem, Beyonder acknowledge him as having infinite power of which remined The Beyonder of himself, Powered a machine made to stop Exitar, His energies as stated by Apocalypse could help him against the Celestials, Moved in a realm of Infinite density as Grey Hulk, Destroyed Nightmare and his Dimensions, all this before his connection to TOAA/TOBA, His matting with Umar was felt across reality as stated by Silver Surfer. Hulk being on Multiversal level of power is his weight class. He don't just operate at that level because of Banner and also he holds back.

It is very blatantly a very different personality, size, appearance, and power level, which the Marvel wiki acknowledges, so mashing them together still doesn't make any sense.

We need direct showings via his mind scape or author's statement. As Entity said, his intelligence and size varies depending on the writers. Even when not shown as being smart in some stories, he is still surprisingly smart

Well, empowered by TOBA at least, but so are all gamma-mutates, including the ones that are intelligent rather than strong.

But none of their connections is as strong as Hulk/Banner. TOBA even went as far as using his body for is goals. None of the gamma mutates are as powerful as Hulk or can reach his level of power unless they use amps.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Never mind then. Although I am still very uncertain about if it is a separate incarnation or not.

 

[Entity]

Even when not shown as being smart in some stories, he is still surprisingly smart

All of Amadeus Cho's abilities related to his supermath should also be added to Hulk anyway, there is a direct statement from Amadeus that Hulk sees the world as he does and uses that to cause as little damage as possible to the people

 

[Amaltaas]

As far as I see, just the Marvel Fandom's opinion or appearance isn't enough. PKJ stated that he'll discuss it sooner or later, so we can just wait until then.

 

[Excellence616]

This can be closed.