Bump.
It probably is true but I don't think that we've actually seen Zenitsu do that unlike with Inosuke, so Zenitsu having that justification while Inosuke lacks it is just odd.
So I think we should remove it and change the justification to "Scales to Inosuke"
I would be fine with that though I would change the justification "Should be comparable to Inosuke" instead. There isn't much of an argument that could be made against that if the justification blatantly refers to the feats of another character.
I've made the changes.
I've adjusted the tons values of the boulder pushing feats in the Lifting Strength section of the verse page to be more in line with the tree swinging feat and the values specified in kilograms on the calculation blog they are on.
There is still the matter of downgrading Gyutaro's Lifting Strength. Does anyone have something to say about this?
There's no proof that Tengen's LS got significantly weaker after he got poisoned especially since he could still wield his weapons just fine
It is clear though that he got weaker and his weapons are nowhere near the weight where Class 25 wouldn't be enough to wield them as far as I'm aware. Gyutaro's current Lifting Strength rating was also applied without a CRT and it would put Gyutaro's Lifting Strength above Akaza who considered Kyojuro's strength to be unbelievable who in turn has explicitly lower Lifting Strength than Tengen. You should also keep in mind that Tanjiro in his Post-Rehabilitation Training key with his Demon Slayer Mark and his Post-Type Zero Training key, Nezuko and Genya would scale to Gyutaro and there is also Gyokko and Hantengu.
Unquantifiably, sure. And Gyutaro's poison mainly just wears the target down and eventually causes death rather than decreasing their stats. No real poison does that too afaik
I'm gonna be honest, that arm wrestling thing can be pretty wack sometimes, I would suggest not using it in the first place due to situations like Kyojuro being unable to cut through Akaza's neck while Iguro being able to do so for Muzan just fine. Then you could also argue Shinobu also pierced the neck of a demon with high dura than Akaza. This is just a case of Death to the Author fallacy in my opinion, and I think we should scale LS using other means, or just have all of them be comparable to one another. This honestly could need a separate CRT.
If you're literally dying you're probably not as strong as usual lol
I mean I think cutting isn't just pure LS, it's technique, speed, positioning and breathing skill too, LS is only one factor, I don't think they contrast each other like that. Plus no matter what Shinobu's very canonical lack of strength makes the whole thing muddy no matter how you look at it
That's how it is in Tengen's case because of his high poison resistance. Inosuke described Gyutaro's blood slashes as being able to kill with a scratch and Gyutaro outright said that the poison will kill Tanjiro after he stabbed him, so they definitely aren't mainly about wearing a target down. I'd also say that a person would also have the amount of strength they can actually exert reduced if they are worn down enough though that doesn't seem to be the case for Tengen since he was able to keep fighting for a while. In episode 8 of the Entertainment District arc Tengen outright blamed the fact that he got poisoned for a seriously injured Tanjiro having to keep fighting, so it does seem like as if his performance was hampered by the poison. The series shows us that the poisons used against Gyutaro and Doma noticeably weakened them, so Gyutaro's poison weakening Tengen wouldn't be unusual.
I was referring to Gyutaro's poison specifically reducing stats akin to a debuff (which many think to be the case), not that posion doesn't make you weaker.
I was referring to the arm wrestling competition by the author being used to rank the Pillars in terms of arm strength/LS, not what factors contribute to cutting. And Tanjiro drew a connection between arm strength and the ability to cut the necks of demons in episode 10, though you could say that Gyu was stationary and in that position strength is essentially the only thing you're counting on.
But using that to downscale Gyu's LS wouldn't make sense unless its proven that Tengen's decrease in LS (if any at all) is substantial enough.
I'm just pointing out how we shouldn't use the arm wrestling competition in a way that downscales Gyutaro because he scales to Tengen who has higher LS than Kyojuro who has higher LS than Akaza which doesn't make sense as you pointed out.
Armwrestling would only count for Lifting Strength since that is about continuous pushing. That's very different from actually swinging your arms, so Tanjiro's words in that scene have no connection to Lifting Strength especially since he is also talking about the strength of his whole body.
I'm talking about the scene where Gyutaro was pinned down by Tanjiro's sword when he got headbutted, not when he awakens the mark so I should've been clearer.
I'm not using the instance to disprove the ranking. Rather, I'm calling out how it doesn't make sense to use it to downscale Gyutaro's LS which was the main reason behind this discussion.
I don't know what translation you've watched but when I look up the episode and the corresponding chapter I only see Tanjiro talking about strength in general without even mentioning arms and like you yourself said in that position you'd primarily rely on strength.
The issue is that Gyutaro fought a Tengen who was weakened by Gyutaro's poison and that Gyutaro's current Lifting Strength rating puts him above Akaza's Lifting Strength which doesn't make any sense with the current scaling. It doesn't help that this rating was applied without a CRT.
Okay, I've changed Gyutaro's profile accordingly. If there aren't any issues, then everything should have been done in this thread.
