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Gotcha. I’d like for them to bring forward the contradiction, then. If it’s true, then yeah, axe the multiplier
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Btw this mat be affected but if multiplier and rengoku stuff will be used here the tons scaling
Spin off rengoku, lower moon 2, enmu and up = 0.358 tons
Those 100x above district base Tanjiro = 35.8 tons
Zohakuten and up = 143.2 tons
More likelly than you thinkthe downgrade thread becomes an upgrade thread
Just before anyone says we should or should not implement it I figure I should submit the scans for the context around the '100x amp'
So, he's saying "I need to summon forth 100 times the power" while trying to pump himself up by using a full body swing rather than just his normal arm strength it's a principle in kenjutsu and many other sword styles from the real world as it should be obvious swinging with your arms vs putting your body into it result in a drastically different amount of power and feeling with the weapon. And I do think removing the statistics amp for characters would be justifiable as
Tanjiro even says it was the way he used his strength not that his strength was increased which keeps with the kenjutsu aspect I mentioned before,
during the debriefing in chapters 128 and the beginning of 129 no mention of it being a multiplier or becoming stronger is mentioned, they just mention repeatedly that they are on the 'cusp of death' with body temperature of 39 C 200+ BPM which just sits 2C above normal and 20 bpm (beats per minute) above of boxing averages for one bout (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8543363/#:~:text=The training requirements of the,total duration of one bout. just in case the link fails me I also just wanted to link biology on this cause it's fun lol) but even looking at the temperature and BPM increase I don't think it warrants a statistics amplification given it is more a byproduct of using it, the Demon Slayer Mark seems to resemble a sort of physical manifestation of hysterical strength, of which medical science has no knowledge of how much it actually increases strength as well as different people achieving different levels of power off of hysterical strength in the real world.
For a secondary position on what the Demon Slayer Mark is, I would argue the DSM is akin to the flow state as there is a large amount of thought going into the user's mind focusing on everything, breathing sensation the application of force etc. Later we see a lot about gripping the sword like a vice to make it red but I believe that is more due to the mysterious natures of the Nichirin swords and the DSM and we see it was just theorized you have to grip it really hard, but when the sword is activated with Iguro he theorized it was putting yourself on the cusp of death to make your grip vise like, rather than saying you needed to actually strengthen your grip that much...
To conclude, the Slayer Mark does not warrant a statistics amp on the pages for Demon Slayer and should not be used for AP calcs as mentioned above. (I figure bringing scans just in case someone has an issue with this stuff would be ideal for everyone involved)
I for one agree with the calc brought up here by user chosen, as there really does not seem to be a lot of consistent evidence to the previously accepted 8-B / 8-A. The wooden dragons in the calc here mention being around 9-A+ for the individual segments as per the Attack Potency page: "The attack potency depends on the energy output of a single attack, not the area of effect of the attack." meaning there is a justifiable reason to say it should only account for the individual dragon's value not the entirety of it as he could just use more of them consecutively rather than all at once.
(Sorry for the insane wall of text I just want to be accurate with these sorts of things)
(Edit: SunDaGamer also brought up good stuff for 8-C from Rengoku and that's fine too though the wooden dragons might also be another creation feat of sorts just to add onto that)
The Slayer Mark is noted to boost speed and Tanjiro couldn't cut through Gyutaro's neck beforehand while Gyutaro was poisoned so while I do think the Slayer Mark is a stat amp, I don't think there's enough evidence to warrant giving it a x100 multiplier either since Tanjiro's statement seems like a hyperbole (in a similar vein to Deku shouting "One For All 1,000,000%") and I'm not aware of any other source that supports a x100 amp, I don't think the Official Fanbook confirms it either.
It looks like 3 Wooden Dragons were involved in the feat but I'm not sure if we can scale Zohakuten to their combined output (the dragons's feat is purely physical unlike Doma's which uses temperature change and requires an energy system to scale to physicals)
it's a random mark that makes you die at 25 while giving you a strenght boost, the way he used his strenght really doesnt' matter when with the way shearing mechanics work, his sword was able to cut through a significantly larger surface area which would have resulted in a proportionate increase to shear force compared to his earlier strike, since the former is measured as F/A, in order to overcome the shaer stenght of gyutaro's neck he would need to apply a sufficient force over that area to match or exceed the shear strength with shear stress. for exmple If you cut an area A1 with minimum force F1, then to cut an area A2, you would need minimum force F2 = A2 * F1 / A1, because F2 / A2 = F1 / A1 = shear strength. If A2 is larger than A1, then F2 is larger than F1, his strike while unclocking the slayer is several orders of magnitudes higher than what it is without it considering he couldn't shear even a single inch into gyutaro even when the latter was poisoned weakened and paralyzed
the same thing happened with muichiro where before he could his sword a few cms into gyokko's neck and after unlocking the mark he could cut it like a hot knife butter, to deny the stats amplification is a bit silly, it has has nothing to do with biology, it's literally just magic
like the fake ranbow form ig
if tanjiro for example was only able to cut trough, say, 1cm^2 while putting in maximum effort, then unlocks the mark, and shears trough 100cm^2 of the same material, that would be about 100 times more force than his previous strike, and that's without even considering that the distance of applied force would be multiple times longer, so the energy needed to do that is the force x the distance of applied force, aka several orders of magnitudes worth
how strong gyutaro is really doesn't matter (tanjiro objectively failed to shear trough even an inch of his neck), it's the material physcis at play here
So, he's saying "I need to summon forth 100 times the power" while trying to pump himself up by using a full body swing rather than just his normal arm strength it's a principle in kenjutsu and many other sword styles from the real world as it should be obvious swinging with your arms vs putting your body into it result in a drastically different amount of power and feeling with the weapon
Tanjiro even says it was the way he used his strength not that his strength was increased which keeps with the kenjutsu aspect I mentioned before
No, that was an oops on my behalf and comes down to the idea of do we count the individual blades or the entirety of the release which fair enough, both can be viewed as fair game depending on the character. Which compounds with this next partidk if it's on purpose or not, but you left this one out
In AP perhaps but even if we say it does go for AP that does not mean he inherently scales to them for durability. After all BDA's alter the blood in a supernatural way but we never really get a confirmation for the process that follows. So, if we do not know how he or almost any Demon uses BDA to achieve these things outside of a vague supernatural method do they have to do it one by one, do they do it in bunches? Does it change from Demon to Demon? Moon vs Non-Moon, Upper vs Lower, 1 vs 6 etc... All of that ends up wanting to give the benefit of the doubt to the series, which I feel we shouldn't do and we should be more scrutinous with series with UES or what we assume is one in a series which we've seen recently becoming known other series (JJK for example) have been abusing that idea with the people who scale it on the site.. off-site too. (Looks like this was addressed)so he scales to the destruction that they caused
Yeah, I don't disagree but I feel the metal and his neck did not just magically alter so I do see where you are coming from that if someone couldn't shear beforehand then could afterwards they had to have some increase in force, my big issue is the 100x specifically, it could be 3x or 5000x for all I can tell but it does not really give a solid level to the boost and I think the 100x should be removed off of Tanjiro's page given as I think SunDaGamer said, it is like Deku's 1million percent punch. If it is I re-read demon slayer recently so I might still be missing things but yes, no issue with Tanjiro getting stronger after re-reading I just do not think it is quantifiable as it sits is all hence, we should find a value for these guys. As it could be better mind body connection, an actual amp, or other things I think it is currently just too ambiguous to say 'Tanjiro said 100x therefore it is clearly 100x as a stat amp' given Tanjiro does regularly tell himself to keep at it and push even further. The reason this is compounded with the UES and the blades is the matter of if it is not a UES then the ability should not scale to the user for normal AP or Durability... (this was also addressed it seems, sorry if it seems like I am dog piling but do be sure to let me know if I missed something)tanjiro objectively failed
Ultimate Tensile Strength, UTS is a measure of the load that can be applied to a material before it fails.what does UTS stand for?
Nothing I misread it my bad I haven't been sat in front of my computer in a few days and should have gotten to replying to you more smoothly sorry Passerby.what are you even addressing in that post?
Of course, sorry I replied and missed a few of the points in my hurriedness. It's a genuine pleasure to read all this again and see where I get to improve.thanks for not ignoring me lol, appreciate it
so, a similar thread as my own about the generation and origin point of the Wood Dragons. Yes, that is a fair point, I do not know where exactly the dragons start from, and I think people may have just assumed so for the calc. That is a valid point.maybe i just lack context.
Rechecking the Rengoku feat I noticed that the explosives are mostly around him and there are several detonations, we could obviously run the calc, but it probably won't drop a whole tier worth of AP I think but I might be wrong. I don't think it hurts to do one's due diligence in regards like this. I've made several blunders myself before going back to re-read the series and we can all get / be better about these sorts of things after all.i'll have to ask
It's already accepted only the neck would scaleThat said Hina.. a shinobi was able to land a kunai piercing Gyutaro and poison him, see chapter 89 and chapter 90 as far as I am aware Hina has NO special training outside of being a ninja (which afaik does not have anything for increasing her strength or at least does not mention it).
Also another thing to contradict the 100x needed stat amp to slice Gyutaro's head off, without a slayer mark, Tanjiro... stabbed him. And penetrated his leg
oh really? I had not noticed that, but I see that on his page thank you.It's already accepted only the neck
Giyu before awakening his mark was somewhat relative to Marked Tanjiro during his fight with Akaza and Akaza considers Giyu an opponent worthy of respect. When Giyu does awaken his mark he begins to outspeed Akaza and the two seem relative as Akaza adapts to his speed. The fight does not make it a point that Tanjiro is now out of his league compared to Giyu by x100, in fact all Tanjiro needed to do was awaken some better Enhanced Senses and a state of mind that would allow him to get past Akaza's prediction and behead him. The profiles don't even apply the x100 multiplier to any of the Hashira that scale to 8-B+ or 8-A in their base like Gyomei or Sanemi because we'd end up with tier jumps to 7-C. Don't even get me started on how we'd need to scale Marked Sanemi to x10000 Base Muichuro based on the scaling that Base Sanemi did better against Kokushibo than Marked Muichuro.Gotcha. I’d like for them to bring forward the contradiction, then. If it’s true, then yeah, axe the multiplier
Doma's BDA allows him to release CB levels of energy, his clones were born thanks to his BDA, so they must be able to release CB levels of energy too. Just follow the example in the Creation Feats page: "[...] it can be reasoned that a mage which expends mana from its energy pool to make a city and then channels a similar or greater amount of mana into another attack can scale to its creation feat". These clones can attack using the same power system that allowed Doma to create the ice sculpture, and so they acquire their energy from the same energy pool, even Doma said that the abilities of the clones were as strong as his.why would being made of Doma's ice mean that they can physically punch/kick/strike with the same thermal energy he used to create the giant sculpture
I'm not talking about Muzan's blood being an UES, that isn't necessary for the characters to scale from their BDAs.being strong due to having lots of Muzan's blood =/= using said blood as an energy system to amp physicals and perform supernatural stuff
One Thing to note, not really to argue cuz too late for me butttGiyu before awakening his mark was somewhat relative to Marked Tanjiro during his fight with Akaza and Akaza considers Giyu an opponent worthy of respect. When Giyu does awaken his mark he begins to outspeed Akaza and the two seem relative as Akaza adapts to his speed. The fight does not make it a point that Tanjiro is now out of his league compared to Giyu by x100, in fact all Tanjiro needed to do was awaken some better Enhanced Senses and a state of mind that would allow him to get past Akaza's prediction and behead him. The profiles don't even apply the x100 multiplier to any of the Hashira that scale to 8-B+ or 8-A in their base like Gyomei or Sanemi because we'd end up with tier jumps to 7-C. Don't even get me started on how we'd need to scale Marked Sanemi to x10000 Base Muichuro based on the scaling that Base Sanemi did better against Kokushibo than Marked Muichuro.
Though you could probably upscale Muzan to baseline High 8-C tbhOkay yeah axe the multiplier. God tiers would then be 8-C+
Has anyone calced the explosion that took a huge chunk of his body perhaps? Just another thing to think aboutThough you could probably upscale Muzan to baseline High 8-C tbh
Giyu before awakening his mark was somewhat relative to Marked Tanjiro during his fight with Akaza and Akaza considers Giyu an opponent worthy of respect. When Giyu does awaken his mark he begins to outspeed Akaza and the two seem relative as Akaza adapts to his speed. The fight does not make it a point that Tanjiro is now out of his league compared to Giyu by x100, in fact all Tanjiro needed to do was awaken some better Enhanced Senses and a state of mind that would allow him to get past Akaza's prediction and behead him. The profiles don't even apply the x100 multiplier to any of the Hashira that scale to 8-B+ or 8-A in their base like Gyomei or Sanemi because we'd end up with tier jumps to 7-C. Don't even get me started on how we'd need to scale Marked Sanemi to x10000 Base Muichuro based on the scaling that Base Sanemi did better against Kokushibo than Marked Muichuro.
AgreedOkay yeah axe the multiplier. God tiers would then be 8-C+
Why would all the marks give the same multiplier though?Giyu before awakening his mark was somewhat relative to Marked Tanjiro during his fight with Akaza and Akaza considers Giyu an opponent worthy of respect. When Giyu does awaken his mark he begins to outspeed Akaza and the two seem relative as Akaza adapts to his speed. The fight does not make it a point that Tanjiro is now out of his league compared to Giyu by x100, in fact all Tanjiro needed to do was awaken some better Enhanced Senses and a state of mind that would allow him to get past Akaza's prediction and behead him. The profiles don't even apply the x100 multiplier to any of the Hashira that scale to 8-B+ or 8-A in their base like Gyomei or Sanemi because we'd end up with tier jumps to 7-C. Don't even get me started on how we'd need to scale Marked Sanemi to x10000 Base Muichuro based on the scaling that Base Sanemi did better against Kokushibo than Marked Muichuro.
I don’t think you can scale someone to an explosion that took off a chunk of their body, so it’d be pretty pointless I feelHas anyone calced the explosion that took a huge chunk of his body perhaps? Just another thing to think about
noted, apologies for assuming the worst..anywaysNo, that was an oops on my behalf and comes down to the idea of do we count the individual blades or the entirety of the release which fair enough, both can be viewed as fair game depending on the character. Which compounds with this next part
this was never really one my main talking points, but if he can instantly unleash that level of energy it's safe to assume that he does scale in durability since it's powered by his blood which itselIn AP perhaps but even if we say it does go for AP that does not mean he inherently scales to them for durability.
mainly because you can't explain how blood turns to ice, but it's safe to say the output of the attack/any supernatural phenomenon that occurs is powered by the blood since that's how it's activated, more evidence that suggests this is a certain strenght requirement is needed for a demon to unleash a BDA so a certain level of energy is required for the blood to be able to power a BDA and the output is enhanced the stronger the demon isAfter all BDA's alter the blood in a supernatural way but we never really get a confirmation for the process that follows. So, if we do not know how he or almost any Demon uses BDA to achieve these things outside of a vague supernatural method do they have to do it one by one, do they do it in bunches? Does it change from Demon to Demon? Moon vs Non-Moon, Upper vs Lower, 1 vs 6 etc...
of course, this should be taken in a step by step basis, but gyutaro's fight fixes just about everything and i already said why above, in JJK's case, characters who can physically contend with each other can get demolished by the other side's cursed technique output, and this never really happened in demon slayer nor was such a case ever shownAll of that ends up wanting to give the benefit of the doubt to the series, which I feel we shouldn't do and we should be more scrutinous with series with UES or what we assume is one in a series which we've seen recently becoming known other series (JJK for example) have been abusing that idea with the people who scale it on the site.. off-site too. (Looks like this was addressed)
not really some, but quite a substantial increase of energy in this caseYeah, I don't disagree but I feel the metal and his neck did not just magically alter so I do see where you are coming from that if someone couldn't shear beforehand then could afterwards they had to have some increase in force,
i don't really know anything about deku's 1million percent stuff, but i can see the point here, but yeah, authors can't do math (the poor souls alread have enough workload to begin with...) my argument was that it's a completely reasonable assumption/statement given that it actually makes sens and it's one of tanjiro's main character traits to analyze his opponents, it can also be reasoned that he felt like he needed 100 times or such as much ouput to cut gyutaro's neck, but i can also see your point that it's a hyperbolemy big issue is the 100x specifically, it could be 3x or 5000x for all I can tell but it does not really give a solid level to the boost and I think the 100x should be removed off of Tanjiro's page given as I think SunDaGamer said, it is like Deku's 1million percent punch.
it is quantifiabe, i just forgot just about most of my math foundations as a math major igIf it is I re-read demon slayer recently so I might still be missing things but yes, no issue with Tanjiro getting stronger after re-reading I just do not think it is quantifiable as it sits is all hence, we should find a value for these guys
the mark was never had any sort of connection to the individual's mindAs it could be better mind body connection,
the difference is the latter isn't really quantifiable and is 100% him motivating himself to try harder while the former can be argued to be the result of some sort of analysis he made whe slashed gyutaro's neck, and it does make sens anywaysor other things I think it is currently just too ambiguous to say 'Tanjiro said 100x therefore it is clearly 100x as a stat amp' given Tanjiro does regularly tell himself to keep at it and push even further.
..i.uhh, sorry, but i don't understand your poinr here, demon hunters are pure swordsman that make you shizophrenic if they're skilled enough, they have no power system other than breahingThe reason this is compounded with the UES and the blades is the matter of if it is not a UES then the ability should not scale to the user for normal AP or Durability...
(this was also addressed it seems, sorry if it seems like I am dog piling but do be sure to let me know if I missed something)
Ultimate Tensile Strength, UTS is a measure of the load that can be applied to a material before it fails.
nah no worries, i'm enjoying the convo anyways lolNothing I misread it my bad I haven't been sat in front of my computer in a few days and should have gotten to replying to you more smoothly sorry Passerby.
this just demonstrates a complete lack of reading comprehension as tanjiro visibly struggles to deal with akaza's casual unamped attacks, got blitzed and would have died if it wasn't for giyu saving him, it's evident that when Akaza spends even a little more effort, he can strike faster than Tanjiro can use Fake Rainbow, despite this, at the same speed, giyu is still fast enough to appear and slash through the arm without a Mark.
akaza was holding back in the fight prior, to deny the speed boost of the marks is disgenious
the transparent world explicitly increases speed as tanjiro who was being blitzed and overwhelmed by akaza went to seeing him move in slow motion, even the panel you sent says that tanjiro's body moved faster than ever before and anyone remotely paying attention to the fight would have noticed the speed boost given how Tanjiro physically manages to blitz Akaza at this point when he severs his fist mid punch before it can hit giyu. It can't simply be prediction speed because Akaza's own eyes can't see Tanjiro pass in front of him to sever his arm, and at this point Akaza is fighting faster than Tanjiro since he just sped up to match marked giyuThe fight does not make it a point that Tanjiro is now out of his league compared to Giyu by x100, in fact all Tanjiro needed to do was awaken some better Enhanced Senses and a state of mind that would allow him to get past Akaza's prediction and behead him.
and yeah, of course we do if that was to ever apply, marked muichiro is basically nothing without the speed amp brough by the STW, he got so foderrized and unambiguously blitzed,in the "fight" (if you can even call it that) his sword gets inches away from kokushibo's neck before kokushibo completely vanishes and reappears behind him, muichiro then comments his speed is in another dimension, then as if to confirm this bs muichro goes for another attack and once again when his blade is inches from koku's neck mid swing he grabs the blade, pulls it from muichiro's grasp, and impale him on it so quickly that muichiro doesn't even register that the blade is gone until he's already pinned against the pillar, he is literally statuing Muichiro in terms of speed and that's marked muichrioThe profiles don't even apply the x100 multiplier to any of the Hashira that scale to 8-B+ or 8-A in their base like Gyomei or Sanemi because we'd end up with tier jumps to 7-C. Don't even get me started on how we'd need to scale Marked Sanemi to x10000 Base Muichuro based on the scaling that Base Sanemi did better against Kokushibo than Marked Muichuro.
And was I saying speed was an issue here? The issue is that Marked Tanjiro isn't x100 weaker than Marked Giyu and if we want to give Transparent World a x100 multiplier then that's an even bigger issue. The point here is that there isn't any actual concrete enough evidence that the marks are x100 amps that the standards on multipliers demands for higher multipliers, we don't give Deku a x10000 amp for OFA 1,000,000% even though we can argue that Deku's previous OFA 100% attacks didn't take out Muscular while 1,000,000% one-shotted himthe transparent world explicitly increases speed as tanjiro who was being blitzed and overwhelmed by akaza went to seeing him move in slow motion, even the panel you sent says that tanjiro's body moved faster than ever before and anyone remotely paying attention to the fight would have noticed the speed boost given how Tanjiro physically manages to blitz Akaza at this point when he severs his fist mid punch before it can hit giyu
your statementwas I saying speed was an issue here
The fight does not make it a point that Tanjiro is now out of his league compared to Giyu by x100, in fact all Tanjiro needed to do was awaken some better Enhanced Senses and a state of mind that would allow him to get past Akaza's prediction and behead him.
and no, the STW also offers a huge boost in cutting power since tanjiro prior to getting it was immensely struggling to cut even akaza's arms and only barely managed to scratch his head, meanwhile when he did get the STW, he slashed trough akaza's neck like a hot knife trough butter, he didn't even feel any resistance, so that argument is also bullshit
not seeing it when tanjiro himself states a single punch from akaza would have went straight trough him and killed him while later he actually survived being kicked in the side and merely falls unconscious instead of dyingThe issue is that Marked Tanjiro isn't x100 weaker than Marked Giyu and if we want to give Transparent World a x100 multiplier then that's an even bigger issue.
the concrete evidence is physics ig?The point here is that there isn't any actual concrete enough evidence that the marks are x100 amps that the standards on multipliers demands for higher multipliers
it's a random mark that makes you die at 25 while giving you a strenght boost, the way he used his strenght really doesnt' matter when with the way shearing mechanics work, his sword was able to cut through a significantly larger surface area which would have resulted in a proportionate increase to shear force compared to his earlier strike, since the former is measured as F/A, in order to overcome the shaer stenght of gyutaro's neck he would need to apply a sufficient force over that area to match or exceed the shear strength with shear stress. for exmple If you cut an area A1 with minimum force F1, then to cut an area A2, you would need minimum force F2 = A2 * F1 / A1, because F2 / A2 = F1 / A1 = shear strength. If A2 is larger than A1, then F2 is larger than F1, his strike while unclocking the slayer is several orders of magnitudes higher than what it is without it considering he couldn't shear even a single inch into gyutaro even when the latter was poisoned weakened and paralyzed
the same thing happened with muichiro where before he could his sword a few cms into gyokko's neck and after unlocking the mark he could cut it like a hot knife butter, to deny the stats amplification is a bit silly, it has has nothing to do with biology, it's literally just magic
if tanjiro for example was only able to cut trough, say, 1cm^2 while putting in maximum effort, then unlocks the mark, and shears trough 100cm^2 of the same material, that would be about 100 times more force than his previous strike, and that's without even considering that the distance of applied force would be multiple times longer, so the energy needed to do that is the force x the distance of applied force, aka several orders of magnitudes worth
how strong gyutaro is really doesn't matter (tanjiro objectively failed to shear trough even an inch of his neck), it's the material physcis at play here
Concrete evidence would be the multiplier being stated again in a context that couldn't be interpreted as hyperbole like for example when the Hashira were given a run down on all the information about marks or at least a guidebook confirming marks do make you x100 stronger, the fact that we don't even apply the Demon Slayer Marks being x100 multipliers consistently in the verse and only apply it for that one moment really doesn't help the case that the x100 multiplier isn't a hyperbole.the concrete evidence is physics ig?
it's even quantifiable
Pre-Transparent World Marked Tanjiro could block Akaza's Destructive Death attacks without being turned into paste like what trying to block an attack >x100 stronger than you would do plus Akaza's Compass Needle was allowing him to do what Tanjiro described as clinging to his vital points like a magnet which didn't work anymore after Tanjiro awakened Selfless State and Akaza ain't acknowledging people x100 weaker than himnot seeing it when tanjiro himself states a single punch from akaza would have went straight trough him and killed him while later he actually survived being kicked in the side and merely falls unconscious instead of dying
Transparent World gives Analytical Prediction and a slowed down perception of time so I'm not sure how this is indicative of an overall stat boost plus Kokushibo was occupied by Sanemi and Gyomei's attacks and still cut Muichuro's leg off when Muichuro slipped in through the opening Gyomei tearing a chunk of Kokushibo's torso off created.the STW even allowed muichiro to not get utterly blitzed by and actually see kokushibo even when the latter is serious, it's in and of itself, an overall stat boost
Calculating the depth Tanjiro could cut into Gyutaro beforehand then how far he could cut into it after getting his mark to work out a multiplier would be calc stacking, this is literally the 3rd example of calc stacking on its page.the concrete evidence is physics ig?
it's even quantifiable
well, if that's the standard fair enough i guess;Concrete evidence would be the multiplier being stated again in a context that couldn't be interpreted as hyperbole
...yes, when akaza was holding back, not when he was fighting a marked giyu level opponentPre-Transparent World Marked Tanjiro could block Akaza's Destructive Death attacks without being turned into paste
which has nothing to do with the attack's potency but it's accuracy, so not sure why you're bringing this upplus Akaza's Compass Needle was allowing him to do what Tanjiro described as clinging to his vital points like a magnet
this is an assumption, we have no idea what he considers strong or weak to begin with since he considers marked tanjiro "Strong" yet he could easily blitz and one shot hime and Akaza ain't acknowledging people x100 weaker than him
...what about, yk, literally everything i've said above that you've yet to address?I'm not sure how this is indicative of an overall stat boost
the transparent world explicitly increases speed as tanjiro who was being blitzed and overwhelmed by akaza went to seeing him move in slow motion, even the panel you sent says that tanjiro's body moved faster than ever before and anyone remotely paying attention to the fight would have noticed the speed boost given how Tanjiro physically manages to blitz Akaza at this point when he severs his fist mid punch before it can hit giyu. It can't simply be prediction speed because Akaza's own eyes can't see Tanjiro pass in front of him to sever his arm, and at this point Akaza is fighting faster than Tanjiro since he just sped up to match marked giyu
and no, the STW also offers a huge boost in cutting power since tanjiro prior to getting it was immensely struggling to cut even akaza's arms and only barely managed to scratch his head, meanwhile when he did get the STW, he slashed trough akaza's neck like a hot knife trough butter, he didn't even feel any resistance, so that argument is also bullshit
i don't think you quite understand what statuing means, but if you already forgot what i wrote above, here it is againKokushibo was occupied by Sanemi and Gyomei's attacks and still cut Muichuro's leg off
a casual not even trying kokushibo was able to stand still, wait until muichiro's sword is inches away from him, then grab it before it touches him and impale the former before he even realizes what actually happened, the mere fact that he can now see him and somewhat keep up even when he is inferior to both of them is objective evidence that he got faster and he even saves Sanemi, (altough he was injured and slowing down)muichro goes for another attack and once again when his blade is inches from koku's neck mid swing he grabs the blade, pulls it from muichiro's grasp, and impale him on it so quickly that muichiro doesn't even register that the blade is gone until he's already pinned against the pillar, he is literally statuing Muichiro in terms of speed and that's marked muichiro
Because directly striking weak points is going to be more fatalwhich has nothing to do with the attack's potency but it's accuracy, so not sure why you're bringing this up
It's not a farfetched assumption to say that a dude who hates weak people and only acknowledges those he finds worthy wouldn't even care to look in the direction of someone x100 below their level and then you have to assume he was holding back to that extent despite going for killing blows and activating Technique Development.this is an assumption, we have no idea what he considers strong or weak to begin with since he considers marked tanjiro "Strong" yet he could easily blitz and one shot him
fatal doesn't mean the punch will literally pulverize everthing in it's way and cut you in half like the panel suggestedBecause directly striking weak points is going to be more fatal
it is, when he can easily blitz and kill the guy whom he ackowledged as "strong", you have zero idea what the requirement to be deemed as such are in this scenario, and spoiler, what we do know, is someone whom he can no diff can be deemed strongIt's not a farfetched assumption to say that a dude who hates weak people and only acknowledges those he finds worthy wouldn't even care to look in the direction of someone x100 below their level
which he did, because he could literally and without the shadow of a doubt, blitz and one shot marked tanjiro whom he deemed strong, he was simply trying to enjoy the fightand then you have to assume he was holding back to that extent despite going for killing blows and activating Technique Development.
Who is this refering toWhat is this yapping...
probably most of my stuff...T
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my efforts were in vain.......which I feel it should be given the apparent contradictions)
This is still the most relevant commentAs far as I'm aware the 100x multiplier is only applied for Tanjiro in the Post-Rehabilitation Training Key and is not supposed to apply to the Demon Slayer Mark in general or even any of Tanjiro's other Keys. The statement about it is simply a matter of Tanjiro stating that he'd need that much more strength to cut through Gyutaro's neck and then proceeding to do that exact feat after the Demon Slayer Mark becomes active.
Giyu was already contending with Akaza before awakening the Mark, and when he awakened it, he only began to fully match and somewhat overwhelm him. A 100x amp would cause Giyu to start effortlessly stomping Akaza, which is evidently not what happens.I'm still not seeing the contradiction.
This makes much more sense and doesn't arises any contradictions.As far as I'm aware the 100x multiplier is only applied for Tanjiro in the Post-Rehabilitation Training Key and is not supposed to apply to the Demon Slayer Mark in general or even any of Tanjiro's other Keys. The statement about it is simply a matter of Tanjiro stating that he'd need that much more strength to cut through Gyutaro's neck and then proceeding to do that exact feat after the Demon Slayer Mark becomes active.
Agreecool uh
Lotta people in the verse scale to or upscale to the next tier up from this calc.
Problem: It's a creation feat., temperature change and such. People are scaling physically to this despite there not being a UES of sorts in the verse (I asked, and didn't really get any answers that establish one) that would provide a mechanism to say that Doma (and thus anyone who scales to him) can punch with the same energy he makes ice sculptures with.
If this feat is axed, I believe the next highest value is 8-C (0.8 Tons from a 100x multiplier) and upscaling from there.
Apparently this 100x multiplier was just added with no CRT, so as of last edit, it's up in the air what the 8-Bs/8-As will be scaling to now.
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