Low 2-C Tournament Round 1: Match 3 (Darkseid VS Broly)

[Gabs22_Gamer]

I smell... destruction made of RAGE and TYRANNY.

Let's make this go straightforward, shall we?

Conditions:​

• Speed is equalized as stated in the OG bracket.
• Wrathful Broly and Post-Flashpoint Emanation Darkseid during Darkseid War is being used.
• Battle location: Planet Vampa
• Battle music, for fun.

Berserk Monkey man:


Death of the new gods: 7


Inconclusive:

 

[StekFence]

Hm

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Darkseid is baseline. He could win with Life Force Absorption or Power Absorption but he doesn’t start with them, so-

Ki blast gg

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Ki blast gg

Wrathful Broly is only like a bit above baseline (Peak Wrath Broly =< Broly Saga SSB Goku > Post-2nd UIS SSB Goku > 1st UIS Goku > Infinite Zamasu = Baseline)

So Broly will have the upper hand in combat, which will force Darkseid into using either BFR or Life Force Absorption

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Wrathful Broly is only like a bit above baseline (Peak Wrath Broly =< Broly Saga SSB Goku > Post-2nd UIS SSB Goku > 1st UIS Goku > Infinite Zamasu = Baseline)

I think the gap between Broly Saga SSB Goku compared to ToP might be much higher if you take the limit break boosts that he receives over there.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Power​

• Darkseid is baseline scaling to the New 52 Anti-Monitor
• Broly is a bit above baseline upscaling from Infinite Zamasu and his Reactive Power level and Rage Power will allow him to get gradually stronger as the fight drags out.

Broly has the advantage in this category, though not enough to instantly one shot as I initially expected.

Abilities

• Broly battles with an assortment of Ki techniques: Eraser Cannon, Eraser Blow, Blaster Meteor, Gigantic Breath, Gigantic Charge, Omega Blaster, Planet Crusher, Gigantic Full Blast, Gigantic Omega Storm, and Gigantic Catastrophe. Apart from blasts and beams he can also form an energy shield with Powered Shell, and paralyze Darkseid with God Bind.
• Darkseid commands many abilities via the Omega Effect:
  • Omega Beams: Homing lasers
  • Boom Tubes: Darkseid can activate boom tubes at any time, which allows Teleportation through space and across dimensions, and can BFR Broly if necessary.
  • Energy Absorption: Darkseid gained power by absorbing the powers of Old Gods.
  • Life Force Absorption: Darkseid absorbed the life force from Wonder Woman and returned to adulthood by absorbing all of Zeus' life force.
  • Spacetime Warping: Darkseid can generate a gravitational pull so intense that space twists and time is pulled, so that those inside live days between seconds.
  • Regeneration: Darkseid can regenerate from grievous injuries, such as his eyes being gouged out.

Intelligence and Experience ​

• While comparatively lacking in combat experience Broly is skilled enough to go toe-to-toe with ingenious martial artists like Goku and Vegeta, with the latter commenting on his exceptional adaptability. Though it’s shown that stronger he becomes, the more he loses control of himself, growing to the point of fighting on pure instinct as a raging berserker.
• Darkseid is a Supergenius.
  • “Has countless years of experience in strategy, military tactics, governing, and scientific pursuit. He regularly draws chess matches against Eclipso, a cosmic entity and former embodiment of God's Wrath, and built a spaceship larger than the state of New York. Darkseid is responsible for some of the most advanced scientific breakthroughs in the DCU, creating technology capable of penetrating the Source, accessing the realm of Anti-Life, stealing part of the Anti-Life Entity's power, combining and manipulating fragments of the Anti-Life Equation, and turning Mars into a copy of Apokolips. His mind is also extremely adaptable, capable of comprehending the warped dimension of Olympus without any effort, while Superman was completely bewildered by it.”

Stamina​

• Broly’s Stamina is “Very High”, exceeding the average Saiyan.
• Darkseid’s Stamina is “Extremely High, possibly infinite” (Can fight for seven days straight. His power source, the Omega Effect, is described as infinite)

Range
Darkseid has Low Multiversal Range while Broly has Universal range.

Lifting Strength
Darkseid is at least Class Y through upscaling from Superman bench-pressing the mass of the Earth for 5 days while deprived of sunlight while Broly is Unknown; if Broly tries to grapple and ragdoll Darkseid like he did SSJG Goku he’ll be easily overpowered.

Overall while Broly has AP Darkseid possesses much greater Versatility, Stamina, Intelligence, and Range. I believe he’d realize Broly is stronger than him and take the win via BFR or absorbing his life force and/or powers.

Voting Darkseid.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Omega Beams should by all means just zap

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Darkseid FRA

 

[sanicspood]

darksied fr

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Darkseid is at least Class Y through upscaling from Superman bench-pressing the mass of the Earth for 5 days while deprived of sunlight while Broly is Unknown; if Broly tries to grapple and ragdoll Darkseid like he did SSJG Goku he’ll be easily overpowered.

Kek, some folks really need to remove that unknown LS shit from his page.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Anyways, counted.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Upside down Thanos FRA

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

How does BFR work and how likely is dark man to go for it?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

How does BFR work

Darkseid is able to create portals anywhere he wants.

and how likely is dark man to go for it?

He’s used it to banish people before so when Broly’s RPL makes him too strong for Darkseid to beat to death he’ll Boom Tube him away. Or drain his life force and powers. Whichever works.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Darkseid is able to create portals anywhere he wants.

He’s used it to banish people before so when Broly’s RPL makes him too strong for Darkseid to beat to death he’ll Boom Tube him away. Or drain his life force and powers. Whichever works.

Can broly dodge it? BTW broly can win in one attack if he charges one big blast like Goku's kamehameha without rpl, and he's already far stronger anyway.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Can broly dodge it? BTW broly can win in one attack if he charges one big blast like Goku's kamehameha without rpl, and he's already far stronger anyway.

Darkseid can open these portals literally anywhere, so he can just make a portal right atop Broly.

Also Darkseid’s not dumb enough to let Broly charge a super move. Actually doesn’t Energy Absorption straight up counter Ki blasts?

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Actually doesn’t Energy Absorption straight up counter Ki blasts?

Depending on if verse equalization applies here, maybe yes or no.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Also, some of the scaling chain DBS has is quite a little messy for this category.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Darkseid can open these portals literally anywhere, so he can just make a portal right atop Broly.

Also Darkseid’s not dumb enough to let Broly charge a super move. Actually doesn’t Energy Absorption straight up counter Ki blasts?

I see. Actually, super ki blasts come out very quickly, they look slow in the show but they are actually really fast, fast enough that dark man won't realize it's fatal until it's been shot out.
Maybe energy absorption counters, how does it work?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Darkseid can absorb energy from any energy sources he touches.

Also, exactly how high is Broly into Low 2-C?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Darkseid can absorb energy from any energy sources he touches.

Also, exactly how high is Broly into Low 2-C?

Ok so he can absorb ki, well does he just need to make contact to absorb or can he still be hit with energy attacks?
This is the scaling chain.
Baseline < Zamasu < UIS 1 Goku < post UIS 2 SSB Goku < Broly saga SSB Goku = Wrath Broly higher with RPL. All these are unquantifiable gaps, we know they're stronger but not how much.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Ok so he can absorb ki, well does he just need to make contact to absorb or can he still be hit with energy attacks?
This is the scaling chain.
Baseline < Zamasu < UIS 1 Goku < post UIS 2 SSB Goku < Broly saga SSB Goku = Wrath Broly higher with RPL. All these are unquantifiable gaps, we know they're stronger but not how much.

All he needs is contact. Although mind if I see a clip of the Broly super move you’re referring to? Darkseid may very well be able to dodge, or he can regenerate if the damage dealt isn’t extensive enough.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

All he needs is contact. Although mind if I see a clip of the Broly super move you’re referring to? Darkseid may very well be able to dodge, or he can regenerate if the damage dealt isn’t extensive enough.

Shit, that would mean ki blasts are entirely useless right? If he gets hit by one he can just absorb it correct?

It matched gogeta's kamehameha. And no he's not regenerating nor dodging as it gets faster the more it's charged too and the AP gap is enough to vaporize assuming that dark man can't absorb.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Shit, that would mean ki blasts are entirely useless right? If he gets hit by one he can just absorb it correct?

It matched gogeta's kamehameha. And no he's not regenerating nor dodging as it gets faster the more it's charged too and the AP gap is enough to vaporize assuming that dark man can't absorb.

Correct. Looks like the only way Darkseid is living through an attack like that is his Absorption.

Though I don’t think Broly pulled that technique out in his Wrathful state, even when getting overpowered by Getes.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Though I don’t think Broly pulled that technique out in his Wrathful state, even when getting overpowered by Getes.

He can shot danmaku and ki breath attacks out of his mouth.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Correct. Looks like the only way Darkseid is living through an attack like that is his Absorption.

Though I don’t think Broly pulled that technique out in his Wrathful state, even when getting overpowered by Getes.

Any attack where he charges a blast will do.
So do you think broly can land any ki attacks or are ki attacks completely worthless against darkman? Broly is not strong enough to beat him without a big ki attack.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Any attack where he charges a blast will do.
So do you think broly can land any ki attacks or are ki attacks completely worthless against darkman? Broly is not strong enough to beat him without a big ki attack.

If Broly blitzes Darkseid he can hit him before he activates his absorption since it isn’t passive.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

If Broly blitzes Darkseid he can hit him before he activates his absorption since it isn’t passive.

Oh broly gets constantly faster + the huge speed boost a charged attack gets after being charged then I think it'd be fast enough to kill dark man before he can start absorbing it.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Broly started his first fight with Vegeta by charging at him and engaging in a physical brawl. Since he’ll be strong enough to overpower Darkseid initially I think Darkseid will go for his insta-win hax before Broly blasts him into oblivion

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Broly started his first fight with Vegeta by charging at him and engaging in a physical brawl. Since he’ll be strong enough to overpower Darkseid initially I think Darkseid will go for his insta-win hax before Broly blasts him into oblivion

Actually that was base broly, the first thing wrathful broly did was shoot that gigantic mouth blast at them which barely missed Goku, so his first move is a ki attack (7:00). Also Broly did that crazy huge energy ball vs SSB Goku. Is the insta-win BFR move a common move for dark man?

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Is the insta-win BFR move a common move for dark man?

Not really. Only when he’s getting his ass kicked or doesn’t consider the victim worth his time.

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Not really. Only when he’s getting his ass kicked or doesn’t consider the victim worth his time.

Oof, I think dark man's gonna die.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Can Broly do a major hit on Darkseid and finish him off with a planet crusher here? (Tbf the difference in the scaling chain is actually considerable for a high pression)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Darkseid could just absorb the mouth beam.

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Darkseid could just absorb the mouth beam.

What will he do after he absorb the energy anyway? Redirect it?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Darkseid could just absorb the mouth beam.

Maybe, but broly will get too fast, and dark man won't be able to keep up, and will die before he decides to use his hack, or even worse, he will get too fast to tag with the BFR move.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

Summoning the Black Racer is another win-con for Darkseid (Black Racer has both Type 2 CM and AE)

 

[Gabs22_Gamer]

Summoning the Black Racer is another win-con for Darkseid (Black Racer has both Type 2 CM and AE)

From what I was told this is something out of character for him.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Conceptual Manipulation is OOC but I don’t think Summoning is

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

What will he do after he absorb the energy anyway? Redirect it?

It’ll amp him, actually. Holy shit I just remembered Darkseid’s energy absorption makes him stronger lol