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Topaz Stats Equalization Tournament: Round 1: Dark Enchantress Cookie vs Son Goku (UM God Form) (2-5-3)
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I suppose it puts them both on equal grounds so it's more of a battle of how good their hax is rather than what dimensionality their hax is, in which case I'm leaning towards DEC rn
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Regarding this, im just gonna be counting votes (as i should anyways)
Anyways
How many votes we got for DEC/Goku currently?
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Appreciate it. Guess its that time where we see who else votes for who.
Kinda leaning towards DEC (totally not because of my....innate bias against anything DB related
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It's on his profile, first key, base. Just go to RE, it's the most referenced thing there.
In the game there are Goku summon cards. When they are enabled to use, it is immediately something that Goku already uses (but the player can cancel)
If you go deeper, you can see things like "round 2", but this is more like game mechanics, since Trunks, for example, has summon cards and in the anime he can use them right away (00:16).
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I'm back! Anyway, I'm still voting goku.
His Defensive RE is almost instant, and can defend against layered Time power, Dark factor, God of destruction energy attacking him all at once. So more than likely Cookie's transmutation, resistance negation and CM2 are getting RE'D almost immediately.
And this goku isn't like canon goku, he doesn't play around much.
He can increase his stats via kk20 or UI/MUI to blitz and one shot her [assuming that stat amps are allowed.]
As for DD and stamina hax, the moment the battle starts cooki is getting her stamina fixed to 1 and then to 0 via zero with any of goku's attacks, which activates the Status effect inducement which is like power null on steroids, with this SEU cookie won't be able to to move, think or use any of her passive or active haxes. And unless she has resistence to this specifics SEU, she's gonna be a vegetable.
His Defensive RE is almost instant, and can defend against layered Time power, Dark factor, God of destruction energy attacking him all at once. So more than likely Cookie's transmutation, resistance negation and CM2 are getting RE'D almost immediately.
And this goku isn't like canon goku, he doesn't play around much.
He can increase his stats via kk20 or UI/MUI to blitz and one shot her [assuming that stat amps are allowed.]
As for DD and stamina hax, the moment the battle starts cooki is getting her stamina fixed to 1 and then to 0 via zero with any of goku's attacks, which activates the Status effect inducement which is like power null on steroids, with this SEU cookie won't be able to to move, think or use any of her passive or active haxes. And unless she has resistence to this specifics SEU, she's gonna be a vegetable.
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Your vote has already been counted, is currently 2-3, favoring Goku
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Oh i didn't see it, thanks for letting me know!
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Yep, but the information is appreciated anyways. Maybe we can see if someone votes Cookie (i may do so unless thats in bad faith)
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How's that in bad faith. OP's are allowed to vote.
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He can't enter UI willingly, the Weaknesses section says he can't. I dunno if Prison Planet Saga is within Universe Mission Saga but given how they're differentiated...
I've already talked like twice about ways she circumvents this specific stamina hax in my other messages
On another note, she already resists stamina reduction via EEoD. Setting it to a value is rare but in those instances freezing her stamina works well enough
OPs are allowed to vote, just don't make them biased
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Just to clarify, I'm not voting for anyone.
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From what i can see, Goku may pull off a win, though we have yet to see
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Should goku get UI or nah? Since he can only use it willingly from Universe conflict saga and onwards.
DD doesn't reduce your stamina to 1, it sets it to 1. How can she deal with stun/Status Effect inducement? Does it have resistance on par with what stun does?
And if goku can't use UI, he still can use KK20 to get the speed and power advantage.
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Doesn't DEC only have Superhuman stamina? That's what it says on her profile anyways. If so then she can't resist Goku's own SEI because, in the games, Goku can reduce the stamina of characters like Android 17 and 18 down to zero even when they explicitly have infinite stamina with normal attacks or energy blasts so I doubt she has the means of restoring her superhuman stamina when Goku can knock down infinite stamina down to zero. Also even if she could restore her stamina or freeze it then it doesn't prevent Goku from just doing it again and again and setting her stamina to 1 or 0 on a scale she can't restore.
So I too vote for Goku on the reasoning of his RE allowing him to adapt to layered hax, and his SEI being on a level DEC can't resist or prevent from effecting her again and again.
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For the Ultra Instinct thing, since from what i can see and remember, in this current key, he wouldnt be able to?
Though, i see it as reasonable that Goku wouldnt have UI
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yeah, he can only access it in universe conflict saga. Its up to you if you want him to have it or not.
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Considering what Goku has currently, i dont think he really needs whats basically an auto-dodge. Thats just me :/
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"Setting it to a value is rare but in those instances freezing her stamina works well enough"
She naturally resists it. Her Cake Witch (which she usually uses to fight people and is a direct extension of her, made by her own magic) doesn't get stunned by Dark Cacao Cookie's Solemn Judgment
"Anyways, for this tournament, every single stat besides Intelligence are equalized."
Freezing the stamina bar prevents movement of it, rising or lowering or setting it to whatever. It stays at whatever it was before it was frozen, until it is unfrozen where things work as normal. This effect lasts for as long as Thundersnow Yeti is active
There is no layered hax in this torunament either, dimensionality is equalized across all abilities
Explained above
This vote doesn't really have anything going for it other than RE, which I've already argued against...
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Fair enough points I suppose. I guess that since Goku is absurdly nerfed and things worth a damn like RE and SEI are subjugated to equalization then I have to begrudgingly vote for DEC.
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Hey, that was the version of Goku submitted :/
Sorry man
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Idk about that, dimensionality might be equalized but that probably doesn't include regular layers that aren't dimensional jumps
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Actually RE is still valid, its dimensionality got nerfed, but it still has feats of overcoming layered Time power, Dark factor and power of destruction. So Goku still easily RE out of all of her haxes [Considering the things he RE'd from are law hax, concept 1 hax, power null, transmuatuon, bfr, sealing, fate hax, NEP EE, RW, causality hax, RW, Spacw time manip/time manip hax, paralysis inducement etc...] So....goku ultimately still RE.
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Ahhhhhhh, alright, so i think the votes still stand at 3-4-0. Just wanted to confirm
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Yeah, also what's cookie's answer to goku's power null?
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She can power absorb it. Crescent Moon Magic can BFR people to powernull land, and DEC escaped from it by power absorbing. It killed her, but even then she could regenerate from it with her consciousness
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How can she absorb power null, does she absorb the ability?
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Ah, if its not already counted, then i guess ill count it
Fezzih_007
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Can i vote Inco then? Based on the arguments given, ibnor sure who wins.
Trought, maybe i vote for cookie later.
Trought, maybe i vote for cookie later.
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Sure, vote's counted
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Well goku can already RE from Dark factor which has absorption soooo.......
Plus, he either paralysis her with god bind, drop meteors at her, or just use her strategy, bfr her away.
