Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread

[Chariot190]

Sorry, I should rephrase. How would staring at a 50 different translations of the same reworded story that's already a video game help a single profile?

New lore abilities and other stuff? Straight info that's never been translated into english, of varying relevance, like just enemy or ability slop, to key critical scaling details (the grassy plain in the moon is "Majora's spirit world" a dimension which it created using Skull Kid's memories as a basis. It also did canonically alter the moon so wecan stop just guessing), this one bit of info tells us that yeah, he DID make the dimension (this was never actually said in a single piece of english media except the manga oddly enough but that ain't usable for the game profile), it gives us details on how, why and even the mechanics of it a bit. Prior to this, we legit just guessing. As an fyi, 3 different japanese pieces of media state this, two of which are like straight from Nintendo themselves not a 2nd party publisher.

That's one of the SMALLER relevant bits of info I've found. Each guide so far has had at least something, some have had quite a few. And some shit is actually asinine to the point I'm rubbing my hands like a goddamn super villain knowing I'm going to unleash a goddamn menace into tier whatever the **** he is knowing damn well not one dude is beating his ass without some semblance of smurf hax because of stupid shit that's been dropped in places like the official jpn website, shoga guides, or whatever.

ALSO that's actually funny because two guides actually have "story" sections, which write out chunks of the game in parts with a summary of the story (theyre actually kinda big, the OOT one is like 18 pages long), and gives various random statements like Link having enhanced senses, extra ESP slop (like apparently he could sense Ganon's bloodlust so he rushed to Hyrule Castle after gaining the Sapphire?) or even just the fact he actively trains and it's noted he has unparalled talent and can master stuff in moments (wow neat we can stop just guessing) and other stuff, idk I'm not done, there's actually some Ganon shit in there that clarifies vague stuff in game that would give him one or two new abilities, and that's LITERALLY just from "50 different translations of the same reworded story that's already a video game".

 

[Chariot190]

Thing is I prefer to just... rework the profile entirely. And if my profiles have scans, they are usually long-set game movies or scenes in the references themselves.

I made a yt account to upload clips to link to profiles because imgur sucks. Just uhm, pirate lmao?

 

[TartaChocholate]

Me translating like 15 random japanese guides and magazines to find the secret black boe intangibility statement and other trivial slop

ive only finished 3

You turned into a beautiful dreamy eyed japanese young man with blue hair?

Stupid jokes aside, I can kinda relate to that, but with Final Fantasy crap. I can't remember how much time I wasted looking for the interview that Sephiroth had "ascended" in Advent Children, that Cloud inherited Zack's memories or that Sephiroth had the power of all Materia (Smashtwig handled this last one at least). Interviews are particularly annoying during the PS era games... especially VIII, like talk about something aside the fracking graphics, dammit.

 

[Chariot190]

You turned into a beautiful dreamy eyed japanese young man with blue hair?

yep apparently

 

[Imaginym]

IDK if this was accounted for already, but....



Among other tidbits of info, Bongo Bongo's hands can be frozen solid, becoming encased in ice, via the Ice Arrows.

Our profile notes Bongo Bongo as being able to phase into the ground, hotlinking Intangibility for that. Which makes the somewhat pitiable animation of Bongo Bongo's free hand trying to break the ice the other is in to free the frozen hand, somewhat notable, seemingly.

After all, it can phase into the ground, but not through the Ice from the Ice Arrows? (Though, we don't know if it can phase into regular ice. Maybe it's to do with being shadow & ice having reflective properties?)
Is there some kind of intangibility negation going on? A weakness where only parts of it that can freely move can become intangible?

 

[Chariot190]

Ganon power sealing ig

IDK if this was accounted for already, but....



Among other tidbits of info, Bongo Bongo's hands can be frozen solid, becoming encased in ice, via the Ice Arrows.

Our profile notes Bongo Bongo as being able to phase into the ground, hotlinking Intangibility for that. Which makes the somewhat pitiable animation of Bongo Bongo's free hand trying to break the ice the other is in to free the frozen hand, somewhat notable, seemingly.

After all, it can phase into the ground, but not through the Ice from the Ice Arrows? (Though, we don't know if it can phase into regular ice. Maybe it's to do with being shadow & ice having reflective properties?)
Is there some kind of intangibility negation going on? A weakness where only parts of it that can freely move can become intangible?

I already have that but kind of. Bongo Bongo isn't "phasing", it's a fuckass shadow spirit demon thing, what's happening is it's just becoming a shadow, but that's still NPI.
A lot of stuff has NPI (Not everything, but a good chunk do). Though funny you mention Bongo Bongo, jap lore has Bongo Bongo as an Abstract so that's fun, a bit a of a boost to a few of Link's NPI.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Ganon power sealing ig

I already have that but kind of. Bongo Bongo isn't "phasing", it's a fuckass shadow spirit demon thing, what's happening is it's just becoming a shadow, but that's still NPI.
A lot of stuff has NPI (Not everything, but a good chunk do). Though funny you mention Bongo Bongo, jap lore has Bongo Bongo as an Abstract so that's fun, a bit a of a boost to a few of Link's NPI.

Bongo Bongo sounds like a place Donkey Kong would visit for a Banana Shake.

 

[Imaginym]

Ganon power sealing ig

I already have that but kind of. Bongo Bongo isn't "phasing", it's a fuckass shadow spirit demon thing, what's happening is it's just becoming a shadow, but that's still NPI.
A lot of stuff has NPI (Not everything, but a good chunk do). Though funny you mention Bongo Bongo, jap lore has Bongo Bongo as an Abstract so that's fun, a bit a of a boost to a few of Link's NPI.

Ah cool, so some of Link's stuff gets more NPI?
I feel that I'm bringing this up begrudgingly (Nothing against you or anyone else here.), but how do we know Bongo Bongo isn't solid when it isn't "becoming a shadow"?

Also, profile should change wording if it isn't phasing, right?

Also, what makes JP Bongo Bongo an abstract?

 

[Chariot190]

Ah cool, so some of Link's stuff gets more NPI?
I feel that I'm bringing this up begrudgingly (Nothing against you or anyone else here.), but how do we know Bongo Bongo isn't solid when it isn't "becoming a shadow"?

Few reasons, ignoring statements, when he does he just like, kinda like, literally just becomes a flat shadow, dude looks like a shadow, acts like a shadow, said to be a shadow, etc (when he dies is a blatant example, he like, melts onto the platform and extends past where Link's standing). No reason to assume otherwise.

But it doesn't matter, there's shit calling him noncorporal so.... Literally doesn't matter.

Also, profile should change wording if it isn't phasing, right?

I mean he's a spirit, the reason would need to be changed though given the wording isn't right and is being given for the wrong reasons.

Also, what makes JP Bongo Bongo an abstract?

They just like, literally call him one and also shit like the embodiment of the chaos of the bloodstained history yap and other stuff.
Like really not much to it beyond literally calling him one. Would be Type 2 tho not 1.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

IDK if this was accounted for already, but....



Among other tidbits of info, Bongo Bongo's hands can be frozen solid, becoming encased in ice, via the Ice Arrows.

Our profile notes Bongo Bongo as being able to phase into the ground, hotlinking Intangibility for that. Which makes the somewhat pitiable animation of Bongo Bongo's free hand trying to break the ice the other is in to free the frozen hand, somewhat notable, seemingly.

After all, it can phase into the ground, but not through the Ice from the Ice Arrows? (Though, we don't know if it can phase into regular ice. Maybe it's to do with being shadow & ice having reflective properties?)
Is there some kind of intangibility negation going on? A weakness where only parts of it that can freely move can become intangible?

This was accounted for already, our Ice Arrows page mentions this.