Lazy Pokemon Profiles - Why Are We Linking Movesets Offsite?

[Overlord775]

If we accept egg moves, which would be trainer interference, there is no reason to not use TM/HM moves. Personally I think it is fine to remove egg moves and only use level-up moves.

in recent games is possible to find wild pokemons that have egg moves

 

[GoldenScorpions]

^ that's true

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

That still sugests trainer intervention. What's happens when a breeder is done getting the best possible baby mon? They release most if not all of the others. GameFreak has been including fan stuff more and more in the games recently.

 

[Imaginym]

@Assaltwaffle:

If my memory serves, in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire, it's been demonstrated that some wild Pokemon ( Hidden Pokémo ) can be encountered knowing Egg Moves.

Also: In Pokémon Sun, Moo, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moo, Pokémon obtained via Island Sca will know a certain move they would normally only know as an Egg Move.

It may be reasonable to assume if some Pokemon can be found knowing Egg Moves in the wild, other species of Pokemon can, too.

Also, IIRC, it has been possible for move reminders to teach a Pokemon forgotten Egg Moves.

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Egg_Move

 

[Landon_Avery]

That still sugests trainer intervention. What's happens when a breeder is done getting the best possible baby mon? They release most if not all of the others. GameFreak has been including fan stuff more and more in the games recently.

Are you saying it's not AT ALL possible for a Charizard and Dragonite to ahhh..."hook up" and produce a baby Charmander that knows Outrage in the wild?

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

UMM Charizard and Dragonite can't be found in the wild

Not saying it's imposible, just very unlikely. Though I guess that's why they would be rare/need specila method to find.

 

[Overlord775]

UMM Charizard and Dragonite can't be found in the wild

They can be found in the wild tho

 

[Landon_Avery]

UMM Charizard and Dragonite can't be found in the wild
Not saying it's imposible, just very unlikely. Though I guess that's why they would be rare/need specila method to find.

I think Pokemon like Charizard and Dragonite not being found in the wild can writen off as a game mechanic, and the fact that possible at all is a good enoght reason to have egg move's on their profiles.

 

[Dark649]

Neutral about this, through i will have to act if certain conditions are met.....

 

[Landon_Avery]

@Imaginym
The Egg Move suggestion seems reasonable.

TMs/HMs should be fine if the Pokemon Trainer is known to use them.

Move Tutors are a no unless the trained Pokemon is known to use them.

While we are the subject of TM's/HM's, I acually have a proble with not alowing those move's to be added to the individual Pokemon profiles. Why can't we have a key that seperates what wild pokemon can do and what trained Pokemon can do?

Anyone have an opinion on this...like, at all?

 

[NeoZex6399]

I'm pretty sure that the Egg Moves were accepted a long time ago, but well...

(Also OP and Dragon seems right)

 

[NeoZex6399]

Why can't we have a key that seperates what wild pokemon can do and what trained Pokemon can do?

Seems a good idea.

 

[The_Smashor]

I can help.

 

[Reppuzan]

I want cal on here since he does most of our Pokemon profiles.

 

[Edwellken]

I agree and I'm also willing to help with descriptions if necessary

 

[Chartate101]

I agree, but think we should have a key for wild and tame ones

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Firstly, I agree with Reppu on the profiles, but I am also guilty on the fact that profiles have the link. For starters, I didn't necessarily start the trend. I mean, our Pokémon verse page links not only Bulbapedia, but the Pokémon Wiki (I personally think it should say "Gotta Catch 'Em All!"). Anyway, when I make profiles, sure, I'll normally put the moves. However, there's quite a few times where I make them at eleven at night, or during work hours. I want to get sleep/not get fired. I don't have time to look up every single move and elaborate on it every time. And for Pokémon like Scizor and Togekiss, where the movesets change drastically upon evolution, it gets hard (and that's not even counting egg moves). Don't get me wrong, it's wrong to do so. I just wanted to provide reasoning.

 

[The_Smashor]

My idea was doing it as so. I'll use Pidgey as an example.

Wild Pidgey:

(All moves Pidgey can learn naturally)

Wild Pidgeotto:

(Moves Pidgeotto can learn naturally but Pidgey can't)

Wild Pidgeot:

(Moves Pidgeot can learn naturally but Pidgeotto and Pidgey can't)

Tamed Pidgeot:

(TM exclusive and Breeding exclusive moves)

It would probably be a bit much to have a seperate wild and tamed for the pre-evolutions, but that could work too.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I'm against tabs for wild and tamed. Too much work, format will look weird, and not enough payoff.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

About the TM/HM issue, another thing that should be addressed is what about pokemon from the anime?

TM/HM's are completely nonexistent in the anime, leaving only move tutors (ex: Ash's Buizel learning Ice Punch or Pikachu learning Iron Tail) at best. Any move that would normally be taught by either can be naturally learned by pokemon in the anime canon.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

TMs exist in the anime. They're just rarely mentioned.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

@Cal

Not according to Bulbepedia they do. The rare mention your talking about only comes from the one-time anime version of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Team Go-getters out of the gate! (Reminds me, these guys should have pages too...) And the only other time you could possibly count is Origins.

So far, they have absolutely no ties or relations to Ash's universe.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I was thinking of levels. My bad.

 

[Landon_Avery]

I'm against tabs for wild and tamed. Too much work, format will look weird, and not enough payoff.

Yeah, but that wouldn't be fair to Pokemon. If Naruto got a new form that gave him 20 new super powers would that be a valid excuse to not add those powers to his profile?

 

[CrackerVolley]

Just don't delete the Flareon and Eevee profiles. I spent a lot of time makeing those and I did bother to list the moves.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

We're not gonna delete any profiles. Calm down.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Don't we already treat the profiles as if the Pokémon were trained.

Kind of off topic, but I also don't like how we assume that a "tornado-like winds" statement is automatically comparable to a tornado that tears through entire towns. The game says gust is a tornado, therefore 8-A. That's a pretty huge leap in logic.

 

[Dark649]

Yup, most Pokémon profiles are scaled from being trained at the same level of the 8 Gym to Elite 4's, but mainly from the Gold Rank Charizard that did the feat.

 

[Dark649]

I also don't like how we assume that a "tornado-like winds" statement is automatically comparable to a tornado that tears through entire towns.

Again with this Arbitrary, the 8-A+'s scales from Ep. 2 Pikachu feat.

 

[Overlord775]

but mainly from the Gold Rank Charizard that did the feat.

not a feat, a statement

 

[Dark649]

• Statement

This done by a Gold Rank Charizard.

 

[ApiesDeathbyLazors]

On the topic of Trained and Wild mons, I have a problem with Mega Evolutions. They function the same as Z-Moves which we appaerently don't allow. Both require a trainer's intervention. I can agree with egg moves getting a pass, but that really seems like picking one over the other just because.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Except that when a Pokémon has an exclusive z-move, we allowed t, and we never had a battle where a Pokémon (excluding Mewtwo and Rayquaza) could Mega Evolve mid battle.

You guys are applying too much semantics to this.

 

[Dark649]

I agree with Howard.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I am pretty sure this thread is simply telling us to add movesets to files. Nothing more. Nothing less.

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Again with this Arbitrary, the 8-A+'s scales from Ep. 2 Pikachu feat.

Then we should add that to the profiles instead of leaving a big leap of faith as the only justification for Pidgey being 8-A.

 

[Overlord775]

I am pretty sure this thread is simply telling us to add movesets to files. Nothing more. Nothing less.

genius

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

@AN. Two words: Earth Power

Ovo

 

[ArbitraryNumbers]

Yes, my apologies for derailing it a bit. I think we all get the point here.

The line that hits the hardest is "we are an indexing site". Why make a profile if you're just going to copy and paste info from other wikis?

 

[Dark649]

Verses like Nanatsu no Taizai and others have informations ripped from other wikia's but don't worry i'm planning to fix that, and i will stop derailing.