-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Kuma The Tyrant vs Minato The yellow flash
- 16,124
- 12,102
Scans?
There is no way he is launching himself with that much precision before Minato can move his arm down.
- 19,360
- 16,979
Kuma would solo armies by himself and come out without a scratch. His Kenbun and Buso also scale to the likes of Sabo due to being the previous second in command and his strength was still highly respected by both him and Dragon. I doubt Minato can trick him in a similar way he did to Obito, especially when Kuma rarely goes for the offensive unless he's using large AoE attacks.
- 19,360
- 16,979
Kuma has Haki to defend against spatial manipulation abilities.
They both have range far exceeding the battlefield (both being far above planatary), so thats a non-factor.
- 16,124
- 12,102
Jonin Minato fought 1,000 trained Shinobi, and left in great condition, still wiping squads of Shinobi effortlessly.
That absolutely does not have anything to do with where his Haki scales.
- 19,360
- 16,979
He was able to sense Bonney's presence in Egghead.
Why not? He literally did this to Rayleigh and Kizaru. You'd have to prove that Kuma's repelling of himself is not precise. It's listed as a speed amp, and with Kenbun which is a reactions amp, he'd definitely be able to use it to dodge Minato before he can attack.
- 19,360
- 16,979
What does this have to do with anything. My point in bringing that up wasn't to have a skill debate, it's to say that he's used to being surrounded in hoards of people with weapons without being hit, meaning that attacks coming from behind him shouldn't be anything new. Especially when he spent his free time training Sabo and we know how skilled Sabo is in terms of threat detection.
- 11,579
- 10,864
That doesn't take away Minato's advantage. Law would still have control over the battlefield if he was fighting Luffy, even if Luffy has similar or longer range, due to the nature of their abilities.
If Zuko fought Toph, Toph would have a greater advantage due to being able to control and manipulate the battlefield, it doesn't matter if Zuko has range similarly or higher than Toph, for another example.
In regards to the Haki nulling Spatial Manip, I have no comment on that
- 16,124
- 12,102
He literally doesn't have a brain, we have no proof he sensed that through Kenbun. Apparently, though, Kuma just has the best Kenbun in the verse.
- 16,124
- 12,102
Sabo was like 8 when they last trained on-screen.
- 19,360
- 16,979
Yeah but we're comparing people who have comparatively similar abilities in comparison to Law and Luffy, so this is a pretty bad comparison.
Read above.
My point is that Minato doesn't have access to another dimension AFAIK, so his interdimensional range won't mean much in terms of BFR because Kuma can easily return from the furthest point Minato can teleport him and vice-versa.
- 19,360
- 16,979
"He doesn't have a brain" are you ignoring the fact that moments later he used Buso?
Wrong. Kuma flashback showed that he was still very much involved with the Revolutionary Army and visited them often as far as Sabaody.
- 2,282
- 1,337
Shunsin plus teleportation would give him the speed advantage. Not to mention if he adds sage mode then I don't know how kuma can keep up. Kuma would survive a few attacks coz his durability is a bit higher but eventually it would give away
- 16,124
- 12,102
That's not at all the same as training.
- 19,360
- 16,979
Well Kuma uses his repelling to boost his own speed and has Kenbun so I think they would be even in this regard.
I guess this is fair, but Minato would struggle getting close to Kuma, as whenever he attacks he uses a very large AoE shockwave around himself, so while Minato does have a speed advantage, he can't really use it in any way useful without being at risk of high damage dura neg.
Kuma can remove his pain, so while he can't keep on going if his body gets completely destroyed, he can go for much longer since he won't be feeling the pain, and I doubt that Minato can bring him to a point to where his body can't physically move considering how much of a pain tank he is.
- 2,282
- 1,337
True but to be fair would sol boosting a rel+ character do much?
Yeesh, yeah sorry I forgot kuma could do that, would definitely be very hard for minato to get close but if he manages to touch him once then I think this would be much easier.
Yeah they both have similar stamina but kuma lack of pain gives him the edge. At this point I'm not entirely sure who I'm voting for.
Wait are sage mode abilities granted to minato?
- 19,360
- 16,979
I personally believe so. It allowed him to blitz Sanji, Usopp, and PX-1, Gear 2 Luffy, and Zoro and his Iai attacks (which are a blitz above his base stats), all of which are Rel+.
I don't doubt that Minato would be able to touch him, but would that really help him much? Kuma can use Haki to avoid getting teleported, and even if he does get BFR'd, he can just bring himself back.
- 2,282
- 1,337
Fair but minato still has the speed advantage.
Yeah even if kuma can avoid being teleportation it would make it easier for minato to at any point teleport to where kuma is to make attacking him easier.
But wait I didn't know kuma had haki here
- 19,360
- 16,979
This is Kuma before he got his mind wiped.
DaMonkeMan
He/Him- 17,850
- 15,282
Tbf Ursus Shock takes a bit of time to charge iirc
- 19,360
- 16,979
I think Ursus Shock was shown to take that long in Thriller Bark to explain the ability, as every other time he used it, it was released near-instantly.
- 16,124
- 12,102
I think it's a combination of that and him choosing to compress it more sometimes.
- 2,282
- 1,337
Is his profile outdated then?
- 19,360
- 16,979
Yeah
- 16,124
- 12,102
Oh, massively, but we have to wait until Egghead ends, because his scaling is especially wacky rn.
- 3,122
- 1,074
Voting for Kuma.
1. Kuma can repel any damage Minato does to his body at lightspeed and send it back to Minato himself.
2. Kuma has precog and better movement speed, being able to move freely through the air in any direction at speed of light via repelling himself with a hand movement.
3. He has faster and more dangerous projectiles. Pad-ho is invisible, SoL, affects internal organs and can be spammed by any Kuma hand swing. Lasers are SoL, cause explosions and transmit extreme heat.
4. Kuma has haki which resist some abilites from Minato, his main wincons.
5. Kuna can repel Minato's kunais with attack reflection. Same as rasengan.
6. Kuma can touch Minato and send him flying at a Stellar distance (his profile is outdated).
1. Kuma can repel any damage Minato does to his body at lightspeed and send it back to Minato himself.
2. Kuma has precog and better movement speed, being able to move freely through the air in any direction at speed of light via repelling himself with a hand movement.
3. He has faster and more dangerous projectiles. Pad-ho is invisible, SoL, affects internal organs and can be spammed by any Kuma hand swing. Lasers are SoL, cause explosions and transmit extreme heat.
4. Kuma has haki which resist some abilites from Minato, his main wincons.
5. Kuna can repel Minato's kunais with attack reflection. Same as rasengan.
6. Kuma can touch Minato and send him flying at a Stellar distance (his profile is outdated).
- 2,097
- 578
If minato is in SM the pad cannon invisible attack shouldn't be an issue. Tbh I didn't even know that was invisible
The ursus shock isn't a factor here because minato can teleport it away like he did the biju bombs or just get out the way himself OR he can make a barrier around Kuma and have the explosion basically backfire and harm Kuma
Both can't really bfr eachother and since sealing is restricted minatos only attacks are like rasengans kunais tajutsu and gamabunta
The ursus shock isn't a factor here because minato can teleport it away like he did the biju bombs or just get out the way himself OR he can make a barrier around Kuma and have the explosion basically backfire and harm Kuma
Both can't really bfr eachother and since sealing is restricted minatos only attacks are like rasengans kunais tajutsu and gamabunta
- 19,360
- 16,979
If Minato tries to touch it he's cooked.
That's the point. He won't be able to get close so his speed advantage in SM won't be as useful anymore.
Kuma uses Ursus Shock around himself all the time. It's not going to "backfire" or harm him. Also, Kuma can simply just BFR the barrier.
- 2,097
- 578
Well he won't be actually touching the bomb the barrier will teleport it away
I mean get out the way of ursus shock he don't need sage mode to avoid that
Iirc he only used it twice and the one at marineford the explosion didn't hit him. As for bfr the barrier how exactly would that work? Like if he tries to slap the barrier and move it elsewhere he's still IN the barrier lol
I mean get out the way of ursus shock he don't need sage mode to avoid that
Iirc he only used it twice and the one at marineford the explosion didn't hit him. As for bfr the barrier how exactly would that work? Like if he tries to slap the barrier and move it elsewhere he's still IN the barrier lol
- 19,360
- 16,979
He used it several times during his recent flashback.
He's BFRing the barrier's walls away from each other.
KaydeeX
Username Only- 803
- 962
Egghead Kuma completely skipped my mind.
Probably because I was under the impression of pre TS kuma. I won’t like to make a 5-7 page argument on “if haki negs abilities outside DF or not” since I lack the time and consistency to do that
I’ll change my vote to Kuma due to the recent argument presented, Hypothetically under the intuition that haki negs abilities outside DF.
Probably because I was under the impression of pre TS kuma. I won’t like to make a 5-7 page argument on “if haki negs abilities outside DF or not” since I lack the time and consistency to do that
I’ll change my vote to Kuma due to the recent argument presented, Hypothetically under the intuition that haki negs abilities outside DF.
