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I vote Kuma for Ryuga's and Kacchon's reasons
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Kuma The Tyrant vs Minato The yellow flash
DaMonkeMan
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Kuma FRA. The fact he can also reflect air slices and fire makes me sure he could win this
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Kuma FRA… has much more wincons
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So my vote for Kuma isn't counted?
KaydeeX
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Edit the original post
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You know you can edit your messages right?
Just do the same with the original message thread you made
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u allowed minato to have sealing
now he just seals kuma
voting kuma tho
now he just seals kuma
voting kuma tho
Kazuma_kuwabara
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I only read the first page but if the speed shenanigans are not solve:
Supposing Kuma is relativistic+, his speed is equalized to sub relativistic, in the one piece verse page, Kuma should scale 0.59 (let´s say is 0.6 for having simple math) C
Minato is sub relativistic and his page is horrible at explaining why, so I will assume he is baseline, he is 1% of speed of light
Kuma light speed attacks would completely be unreactable to Minato, they would be 40 times faster than Minato
Speed are both equalized to the slower combat speed, attack speed is decreased the same ammount, never equalized
Minato has higher reactions, but not to the point of being able to react to such degree of Blitz and he does not have Sharingan to bring up "sharingan reaction/precog boost" or anything like that, so Kuma can easily just blitz Minato with repulsion and laser attacks
Finally, one tap and Minato is 3 days flying, I am not voting, I need to keep reading the thread, but this is my opinion
Edit: If we are giving him Haki abilities (despite the fact that pre time skip we could not see those) then Minato can't win, voting Kuma but is a stomp in my opinion
Supposing Kuma is relativistic+, his speed is equalized to sub relativistic, in the one piece verse page, Kuma should scale 0.59 (let´s say is 0.6 for having simple math) C
Minato is sub relativistic and his page is horrible at explaining why, so I will assume he is baseline, he is 1% of speed of light
Kuma light speed attacks would completely be unreactable to Minato, they would be 40 times faster than Minato
Speed are both equalized to the slower combat speed, attack speed is decreased the same ammount, never equalized
Minato has higher reactions, but not to the point of being able to react to such degree of Blitz and he does not have Sharingan to bring up "sharingan reaction/precog boost" or anything like that, so Kuma can easily just blitz Minato with repulsion and laser attacks
Finally, one tap and Minato is 3 days flying, I am not voting, I need to keep reading the thread, but this is my opinion
Edit: If we are giving him Haki abilities (despite the fact that pre time skip we could not see those) then Minato can't win, voting Kuma but is a stomp in my opinion
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Kazuma_kuwabara
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^Why do you think I said that Minato can't win? His hax does not work and Kuma has the speed advantage
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i think kazuma is trying to say that this is a stomp match in favor of kuma
so it cant be added
so it cant be added
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Yee but it’s not a stomp, since speed amp blitzes are fine against the original slower character
It’s also not like he’s at all times in speed blitz mode, and also not the only/actual reason he wins by (like aoe and attack spam)
It’s also not like he’s at all times in speed blitz mode, and also not the only/actual reason he wins by (like aoe and attack spam)
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Which isn’t a one shot
Kuma utilizes dura neg still which both Sanji and Zoro was capable of surviving
Just because minato doesn’t win doesn’t mean it’s a stomp, he has options and can teleport via kunai with rasangans
His teleportation is also faster than kuma’s speed blitz amp if I remember correctly but can get countered by obs haki
KaydeeX
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- Rasengans can’t hurt Kuma because of his buso
- Minato haxes are rendered useless because of haki.
- All he can do is try to move around which kuma still senses, he also can’t close in the distance due to kuma AOE attacks
I don’t see how this isn’t in favor of Kuma. It’ll be a lot more fair if it was Edo Minato key
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That will be a stomp coz of low godly regeneration
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Which isn’t a one shot
Kuma utilizes dura neg still which both Sanji and Zoro was capable of surviving
Just because minato doesn’t win doesn’t mean it’s a stomp, he has options and can teleport via kunai with rasangans
His teleportation is also faster than kuma’s speed blitz amp if I remember correctly but can get countered by obs haki
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Internet thing, in Egypt currently 
KaydeeX
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LMAOInternet thing, in Egypt currently
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Is it not actual teleportation with his kunai paper marks?
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bro is on a Bizarre AdventureInternet thing, in Egypt currently
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I would not want to be someone with "monkey" in my name in Part 3.
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MoL is Iggy?who bros with
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Minato has the speed advantage heavily.
Most of the votes here don't even make sense to me.
All minato has to do is touch kuma once and it is over. Something that is extremely easy considering the overwhelming advantage he has for speed
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No one used bfr or sealing as a wincon. You were either not paying attention to your thread or You're just really looking for a kuma win here. And from the way you've behaved at the start of this thread seems the latter is at play here. I'd prefer you request for this thread to be closed and this to be the end of it as this debate was honestly not done correctly
Kazuma_kuwabara
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Minato does not have any speed advantage over Obs Haki+ 40 times speed difference at minimun with Speed of light attacks+ teleport
Touch Kuma? With Haki protecting him and his repulsion? No
Even Minato's teleport can be stopped by predicting that and repulsing the Kunai, Minato can't win, don't start thinking he is the one who "can win extremely easy" with a non existent advantage in the first place
Edit: Also the fact that if Minato win condition is "Ah yes, I am gonna speedblitz this guy who is normally faster than me and hax him" then good job, that is not valid with the speed equalization rules
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So much is wrong with this entire debate.
1. Kuma may have haki but his page is outdated. It's not there. Not our fault y'all overlooked him.
2. Kuma may have a 40times speed difference with projectiles but considering distance and the fact that minato has precog and sage mode not to mention shunshin and teleportation He should have no difficulty teleporting to catch kuma off guard
3. The whole propelling himself with his paw makes absolutely no sense. You've reduced his speed by 40times. He himself wouldn't be able to react to attack when he is propelled coz rel would be too much for him to attack with.
The only way kuma can attack minato would be to try to use the paws and he would never get minato stick coz why? Minato is ridiculously faster than his combat speed. Shunshin is blitz worthy , add that with sage mode and teleportation and I don't see kuma ever having a chance to aim his rel attacks at minato. The worst thing that's gonna happen here is a draw with minato using death reaper seal. If not minato just wears him down with many of his attacks without kuma being able to tag him and then he wins
