Kuma The Tyrant vs Minato The yellow flash

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

The whole propelling himself with his paw makes absolutely no sense. You've reduced his speed by 40times. He himself wouldn't be able to react to attack when he is propelled coz rel would be too much for him to attack with.

Reducing speed does not make him unable to react to his own technique? He already does that in the series, propulsing himself to touch you and BFR, his technique is also reduced the same ammount, so there is no problem for him using propelling

using death reaper seal

Which he repels

him down with many of his attacks without kuma being able to tag him and then he wins

With him just repelling his own damage and throwing that as a bomb/putting it on Minato as touching the bubble pain makes you take the pain, so with enough bubbles, Kuma can use those as a shield, so gg Minato

has precog and sage mode

Ah yes, precog, which is not in his page

This is a stomp for Kuma, simple as that

 

[Kircdaaa]

No one used bfr or sealing as a wincon

He can pretty much drag Kuma to another dimension and leave him there

Minato telaports him to an ocean, kuma suffocatesand dies

but if he manages to touch him once then I think this would be much easier.

and even if he does get BFR'd, he can just bring himself back. and i never said wincons even tho sum of them did i said '''argued""

He's BFRing the barrier's walls away from each other.

Finally, one tap and Minato is 3 days flying

Ironic asf, pay attention and read the thread first.. and i never said wincons even tho some of them did i said ''argued''

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

 

[karo_senpaii]

Ironic asf, pay attention and read the thread first.. and i never said wincons even tho some of them did i said ''argued''

You're quite disingenuous. Do not tag my comment if you can't bother to read. Touching kuma would allow him mark him and make him able to close their distance immediately which was the point I was trying to make to kachon when he said kuma won't be able to get close.
Only person that actually talked about bfr was kaydeex. The rest people there were talking about bfr for kuma and not minato. You restricted sealing and bfr specifically coz they are minato specialty. Just because the one piece side kept spamming bfr for kuma is not my problem

 

[karo_senpaii]

Reducing speed does not make him unable to react to his own technique? He already does that in the series, propulsing himself to touch you and BFR, his technique is also reduced the same ammount, so there is no problem for him using propelling

Which he repels

With him just repelling his own damage and throwing that as a bomb/putting it on Minato as touching the bubble pain makes you take the pain, so with enough bubbles, Kuma can use those as a shield, so gg Minato



Ah yes, precog, which is not in his page

This is a stomp for Kuma, simple as that

1. Reducing sol by 40 times makes it 2.5% sol. I don't recognise the 40 times speed amp you were talking about.
2. Wtf? He's gonna repel soul manipulation?
3. To repel the damage he would need to react to it. Minato combat speed far outclasses his, with his teleportation He won't have time for that.
4. It's on his page..Read it

Anyway with haki not on kuma page I see no chance for him winning

 

[karo_senpaii]

Both can't really bfr eachother and since sealing is restricted minatos only attacks are like rasengans kunais tajutsu and gamabunta

Ironic asf, pay attention and read the thread first.. and i never said wincons even tho some of them did i said ''argued''

Crazy that someone said this right before you decided you wanted to change the rules at the point of vote counting lol

 

[Kircdaaa]

You're quite disingenuous. Do not tag my comment if you can't bother to read. Touching kuma would allow him mark him and make him able to close their distance immediately which was the point I was trying to make to kachon when he said kuma won't be able to get close.
Only person that actually talked about bfr was kaydeex. The rest people there were talking about bfr for kuma and not minato. You restricted sealing and bfr specifically coz they are minato specialty. Just because the one piece side kept spamming bfr for kuma is not my problem

that was not my intention and quite frankly i didnt even know minato could bfr prior to the op thats why i restricted bfr and sealing so it would be more interesting then i saw multiple ppl arguing for it thats why i just removed the restriction, then i must've misunderstood your point since it was quite vague and kachon also talked abt bfr in the same sentence. idc if they're from the naruto side or op side you said no one used bfr or sealing as a ''wincon'' which wasnt my point and sum ppl did use them as a wincon, i said ''argued'' for it. stop being disingenuous

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

It's on his page..Read it

It is not, I searched with Ctrl+F and precog is no where to be found, only in tags, he has no precog in his power section

Wtf? He's gonna repel soul manipulation?

He repels damage, he repelled his own memories, his fruit is said "to be able to repel anything" and souls in one piece exist, with Haki he can interact with souls thanks to Big Mom fruit and the Haki resistance to that, is not big strecht to assume he can do that

Reducing sol by 40 times makes it 2.5% sol. I don't recognise the 40 times speed amp you were talking about.

I will do the math again then

Edit: Ok, you are right, I was stupid and assume that the speed of the teleport was not nerfed when I said 40 times, the teleport would be 1.6 times faster

 

[Kircdaaa]

Crazy that someone said this right before you decided you wanted to change the rules at the point of vote counting lol

that was one person who said that and i did not just change the rule read the thread like i said. multipe ppl were just ignoring the rule and were arguing for it and some using it as a wincon thats why i just changed the rule


not even going further with ts meaningless arguments since you dont even care to read the thread

 

[karo_senpaii]

that was not my intention and quite frankly i didnt even know minato could bfr prior to the op thats why i restricted bfr and sealing so it would be more interesting then i saw multiple ppl arguing for it thats why i just removed the restriction, then i must've misunderstood your point since it was quite vague and kachon also talked abt bfr in the same sentence. idc if they're from the naruto side or op side you said no one used bfr or sealing as a ''wincon'' which wasnt my point and sum ppl did use them as a wincon, i said ''argued'' for it. stop being disingenuous

That's wrong. You're the owner of the thread. When you see someone arguing against your rules simply correct them. Don't say "well they broke the rules so I might as well remove the rule". Did it occur to you that people won't take it as seriously because it cannot be added to profiles? Only for them to leave and come back and suddenly see it being added just because you simply "removed the rule" at the end of the debate? Minato is ridiculously skilled in sealing and not once did anyone argue for sealing for minato because the naruto side followed the rules. You removing it at the end just compromised the entire debate.
I repeat, if you make a rule and a particular party is following such rule and then the other party is not and you now remove the rule after arguments are concluded does that sound like a fair match to you?

It is not, I searched with Ctrl+F and precog is no where to be found, only in tags, he has no precog in his power section

He repels damage, he repelled his own memories, his fruit is said "to be able to repel anything" and souls in one piece exist, with Haki he can interact with souls thanks to Big Mom fruit and the Haki resistance to that, is not big strecht to assume he can do that

I will do the math again then

Edit: Ok, you are right, I was stupid and assume that the speed of the teleport was not nerfed when I said 40 times, the teleport would be 1.6 times faster

1. Sage mode is on his profile. I think someone didn't take time to list it's abilities but you can get reference from naruto page.

2. Repel anything is as good a statement as being able to destroy anything. Both hyperbole that need feats. Stick to what are on profiles and on his profile he neither has npi soul type or soul manipulation. Leave out the headcanons. Oh and by the way even people with soul manipulation could not resist it.

that was one person who said that and i did not just change the rule read the thread like i said. multipe ppl were just ignoring the rule and were arguing for it and some using it as a wincon thats why i just changed the rule


not even going further with ts meaningless arguments since you dont even care to read the thread

One more time as the thread master your job is to correct people if they break your rule. Not removing the rule after arguments have been made.
The fact you don't see how unfair you made this thread baffles me. What naruto supporter did you see argue for sealing here? They did not simply coz they followed your rule and then you say "naa I'm removing it coz one party did not follow the rules" you're meant to simply disqualify the arguments that didn't follow it

 

[Kircdaaa]

because the naruto side followed the rules

What naruto supporter did you see argue for sealing here? They did not simply coz they followed your rule

• He can pretty much drag Kuma to another dimension and leave him there
• Sealing

as i said for 10x read the thread and stop being disingenuous.


as for the other points ima address them later on

 

[KaydeeX]

I didn’t argue for sealing tho
After I said that someone said sealing is restricted before I gave my final vote

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

2. Repel anything is as good a statement as being able to destroy anything. Both hyperbole that need feats. Stick to what are on profiles and on his profile he neither has npi soul type or soul manipulation. Leave out the headcanons. Oh and by the way even people with soul manipulation could not resist it.

He has feats of repelling harder things than souls, as he repelled ghosts, illnesses, memories, etc in the series, so claiming is headcanon when he repelled literally everything intangible you can imagine is a massive downplay from your part, and still, haki interact with soul powers, so combine this too and you don't have any headcannon in the argument


And Haki has more layers, you are using precog not listed? We are using Haki who literally Kuma can use and have shown to use while you are giving him precog which I still don't know where it comes from

1. Sage mode is on his profile. I think someone didn't take time to list it's abilities but you can get reference from naruto page.

Naruto, who has no precog listed on his powers

Clairvoyance (Sensed and gained information about the events of the Fourth Shinobi World War from an island that isolates foreign chakra), this is the closest to precog he has

leaving the thread, Kuma needs his profile to be updated and Minato have non existant precognition and "speedblitz" shunshin whatever that is not available by rules, nothing more to say

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Ironic asf, pay attention and read the thread first.. and i never said wincons even tho some of them did i said ''argued''

Why am I there?! I was just joking

 

[karo_senpaii]

as i said for 10x read the thread and stop being disingenuous.


as for the other points ima address them later on

Only person that actually talked about bfr was kaydeex

Are you being serious right now?

He has feats of repelling harder things than souls, as he repelled ghosts, illnesses, memories, etc in the series, so claiming is headcanon when he repelled literally everything intangible you can imagine is a massive downplay from your part, and still, haki interact with soul powers, so combine this too and you don't have any headcannon in the argument


And Haki has more layers, you are using precog not listed? We are using Haki who literally Kuma can use and have shown to use while you are giving him precog which I still don't know where it comes from

Naruto, who has no precog listed on his powers

Clairvoyance (Sensed and gained information about the events of the Fourth Shinobi World War from an island that isolates foreign chakra), this is the closest to precog he has

leaving the thread, Kuma needs his profile to be updated and Minato have non existant precognition and "speedblitz" shunshin whatever that is not available by rules, nothing more to say

1. He has feats on everything but a soul which is what you need. Please kindly follow rules and stop engaging in unfruitful conversation..if he doesn't have npi soul type or soul manipulation this conversation is pointless.
2. Not sure the relevance of layers here when haki is not on his profile
3. Read profiles, it's not that hard. Shunshin is on every shinobi page . "Statistic amplification". Sage mode is also on his profile..your inability to read is not my problem

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

3. Read profiles, it's not that hard. Shunshin is on every shinobi page . "Statistic amplification". Sage mode is also on his profile..your inability to read is not my problem

Read the profile and tell me where is precognition, until then, ignoring you, simple as that <3

 

[karo_senpaii]

Read the profile and tell me where is precognition, until then, ignoring you, simple as that <3

Extrasensory perception is what is there

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Extrasensory perception is what is there

This is not precog, next <3

 

[karo_senpaii]

This is not precog, next <3

Yes precog is under it lmao

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Yes precog is under it lmao

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W-h-e-r-e

 

[Robo432343]

minato doesn't use his extrasensory perception for precog
i dont even think he can do that

 

[Robo432343]

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Extrasensory Perception

Extrasensory Perception, also known as sensing, detection, or a sixth sense, is the ability to detect energy signatures, matter signatures, or the like near the user. Precognition: Can be used to predict the opponent's movements. Enhanced Sight: Not necessarily like eyesight, however, this...

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bruh

 

[karo_senpaii]

minato doesn't use his extrasensory perception for precog
i dont even think he can do that

Every sage user can bro.

Extrasensory Perception

Extrasensory Perception, also known as sensing, detection, or a sixth sense, is the ability to detect energy signatures, matter signatures, or the like near the user. Precognition: Can be used to predict the opponent's movements. Enhanced Sight: Not necessarily like eyesight, however, this...

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bruh

You like stress. The guy can't read profiles

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

minato doesn't use his extrasensory perception for precog
i dont even think he can do that

Extrasensory Perception

Extrasensory Perception, also known as sensing, detection, or a sixth sense, is the ability to detect energy signatures, matter signatures, or the like near the user. Precognition: Can be used to predict the opponent's movements. Enhanced Sight: Not necessarily like eyesight, however, this...

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bruh

Saying that extrasensory acts as precog is the problem in the first place, is not the same power, simple as that

If he was saying "His extrasensory acts as a pseudo precog" or SOMETHING LIKE THAT

Then we would not have this problem nor debate

Or the fact that he is just ignoring everything, but sure

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

You like stress. The guy can't read profiles

Nor you can debate properly lol

 

[KaydeeX]

Minato not having precog on his profile is definitely an error since he’s a perfect sage

• Analytical Prediction (In Sage Mode, threat perception is massively enhanced[64], which allows the user to accurately sense their opponent's movements and launch perfectly timed counters.[76][65] Sage Mode's danger sensing is also stated to be superior to KCM Naruto's[65], which is capable of alerting Naruto to incoming danger via sensing negative emotions.[77] This ability passively alerts the user to incoming attacks from blind spots, as well as surprise attacks.[78] It also allows the user to sense and predict the movements of significantly faster opponents[79])

 

[karo_senpaii]

Saying that extrasensory acts as precog is the problem in the first place, is not the same power, simple as that

If he was saying "His extrasensory acts as a pseudo precog" or SOMETHING LIKE THAT

Then we would not have this problem nor debate

Or the fact that he is just ignoring everything, but sure

He has actual precog dude. You simply can't read or you are under the impression that precog must mean you can fully see the future

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Yes precog is under it lmao

Ok, I now understand the problem

I understood "Under it" literally, not as a subclass of this power

But dude, just tell me that his extrasensory acts as precog, I was literally ctrl-f precog the whole time and I am no seer to understand that you are refering to an especific usage of extrasensory, I have no knowledge of how Naruto works (only kid naruto)) and I just read the page or search an especific power without seeing the subclasses

 

[Kircdaaa]

Are you being serious right now?

The rest people there were talking about bfr for kuma and not minato. You restricted sealing and bfr specifically coz they are minato specialty. Just because the one piece side kept spamming bfr for kuma is not my problem

its irrelevant whether it was the op side or naruto side did my op say bfr restricted only for kuma/minato lol like what?

 

[karo_senpaii]

its irrelevant whether it was the op side or naruto side did my op say bfr restricted only for kuma/minato lol like what?

All this talk is irrelevant. You don't remove your rules coz people break them. You remove arguments of people that break your rules

 

[Kircdaaa]

All this talk is irrelevant. You don't remove your rules coz people break them. You remove arguments of people that break your rules

which i fully agree with, and that my fault was ts was my first ever real versus match thread and i should've just asked before removing the rule but since smn addressed not to restrict bfr and sealing since it wouldnt count and then having smn right after still use them as an argument/wincon and many more. i thought there was no need to have that as a rule anymore.