Kriemhild Gretchen v.s Reinhard

[TonySansNom]

4-A grows to 1-A so it would technically be hadou God
5-B doesn't grow so I guess you're right

This is like saying that a baby is an adult because said baby will eventually become an adult one day. This isn't how it works. Potential is not the current state. 4-A Reinhard is 4-A.

 

[Overlord775]

@Tony

Reinhard's growth doesn't take very long

 

[Schnee_One]

Doesnt really change his point

 

[Warren_Valion]

Her ability to separate Madoka's conceptual form and her old self most likely comes from that, too. After becoming Akuma Homura, she explained that she could do that because love is the strongest human emotion.

And don't worry about the questions, someone actually asking about the characters instead of "Why everyone has 2-A hax" (Which isn't true but whatever) is a welcome change lol

Also, the point of 4-D hax is that her powers in general have 4-D potency when she becomes tier 2. So if she reaches tier 2 she can simply do the same as Hazama and use lolmindhax

1. So Gar wasn't joking? It really is the Power of Love?

2. Dude! I relate to that sentiment on a fundamental level, you would just need to change 2-A to 1-A.

3. Oh, I see.

The thing is, I see this fight going two ways.

Either Reinhard gets indefinitely incapped by UKG's passives. Plain and simple.

Or...

Reinhard sees he is dying and in what would be his last moments, he thinks, summons his Briah as a shield to protect himself, regenerates safely, and then in honor of showing UKG his love for pushing him to state where he has never been - near death, he would snip her ass with the spear, and she would die, and he would absorb all over power. And his Briah being detached from the Law of Mercury means that she isn't touching him when he is protected by his castle.


Since UKG's passives are lore-based, and thus their effectiveness isn't fully demonstrated - I can't reliably say which conclusion is the correct one and it seems that this is similar to the Hazama battle, in that both have hax that works against the other and can incap or kill one another.

I'm kind of leaning inconclusive because of it as the safest option.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

But if the thing doesn't have a soul would he get her powers? He didn't gain anything from Meth but then again he has WWII weaponry and vehicles wich are soulless.

 

[Paul_Frank]

Again couldn't Rein just loltype8 and go into his castle at the same time

As in not one after the other so instead of resurrecting then using gladsheim he just resurrects into gladsheim or even if he couldn't do that mercurius could almost definently do something like that if not into gladsheim maybe into the twilight beach which is also disconnected from everything. Also mercurius reviving him somewhere else shouldn't be outside help because he literally is the reason for Reinhards' type 8 and there are much more intrusive cases in other verses that have been stated to not be outside help also Mercurius has shown the able to revive the rest of the legion so I see no reason he wouldn't be able to do that for Rein

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Merc isn't spawning Rein, he just comes back to life.

Merc actively doing something for Rein is outside help.

 

[Warren_Valion]

But if the thing doesn't have a soul would he get her powers? He didn't gain anything from Meth but then again he has WWII weaponry and vehicles wich are soulless.

You might be right.

Could it be possible he just doesn't use Meth's powers?

 

[Paul_Frank]

tell that to warframe or warhammer with the opperator or any of the gods helping

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

That could be interesting...

 

[Warren_Valion]

Again couldn't Rein just loltype8 and go into his castle at the same time
As in not one after the other so instead of resurrecting then using gladsheim he just resurrects into gladsheim or even if he couldn't do that mercurius could almost definently do something like that if not into gladsheim maybe into the twilight beach which is also disconnected from everything. Also mercurius reviving him somewhere else shouldn't be outside help because he literally is the reason for Reinhards' type 8 and there are much more intrusive cases in other verses that have been stated to not be outside help also Mercurius has shown the able to revive the rest of the legion so I see no reason he wouldn't be able to do that for Rein

I am rather sure that if he is instantly being destroyed by her passives, he will never be able to make the thought to summon his castle.

Mercurius intervening is, not only outside help - and therefore not allowed, it is not in-character.

Reinhard fights his own battles.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I'm pretty sure he can still act or at least think while reforming thanks to his type 8, Alfy posted some quotes of him reforming after Hajun blasted him to hell and back, I'm gonna search for them.

 

[Overlord775]

I think the castle would already be summoned at the start of the fight

 

[Schnee_One]

It won't be

He's getting passively incapped

 

[Overlord775]

I don't think he needs a body to think since not needing a body it's the whole stick of LDOs

 

[Warren_Valion]

I think the castle would already be summoned at the start of the fight

His Spear would be in his hand at the start of the fight, but not his castle.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So I'd say that Rein doesn't get insta ****** and manages to think, regens there sound a safely and one shots from there.

 

[Kaltias]

1. So Gar wasn't joking? It really is the Power of Love?

Yep.

Emotions are very important because they are the source of magical energy in PMMM. That's also the reason why negative emotions corrupt the magical girls' Soul Gems, turning them into witches.

And apparently being a yandere makes you a multiversal deity

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

And apparently being a yandere makes you a multiversal deity </div>

Good enough for me to try ;v

 

[Warren_Valion]

Yep.

Emotions are very important because they are the source of magical energy in PMMM. That's also the reason why negative emotions corrupt the magical girls' Soul Gems, turning them into witches.

And apparently being a yandere makes you a multiversal deity </div>

Is this just Fairy Tail?

 

[Overlord775]

Reinhard doesn't need his body to do stuff, so his body gets passivelly destroyed, but he just summons his castle, regens inside of it and throws his spear.

I vote Reinhard

 

[Warren_Valion]

Reinhard doesn't need his body to do stuff, so his body gets passivelly destroyed, but he just summons his castle, regens inside of it and throws his spear.
I vote Reinhard

I'm pretty sure that Reinhard's entire being constantly being destroyed would mean he wouldn't be able to think.

 

[Overlord775]

I'm pretty sure that Reinhard's entire being constantly being destroyed would mean he wouldn't be able to think.

LDO members don't need their body to do stuff, so no, it's wouldn't block him from summoning.

 

[Schnee_One]

Yes they do.

They absolutely do.

 

[Overlord775]

They don't

it's their whole stick

 

[Schnee_One]

Machina's entire shitck is punching the opponent

Eleonore needs to make wrist movements to use fire AoE.

Wolfgang needs to chant his briah.

Reinhard needs to throw

All of their main and biggest abilities are not thought based.

 

[Overlord775]

Summoning his castle is though based, that's why he inconned Hazaki

 

[Schnee_One]

Okay so one ability from Rein is apparently a main shitick of all the LDO?

Regardless, UKG exists and his soul burns repeatedly so he can't think

 

[Overlord775]

The main stick of he LDO is that they don't need their body to survive.

alnd i think Rein's resistance is better that UKG's soul hax

 

[Warren_Valion]

He is talking about their Regenerationn specifically

• Regenerationn (Low Godly): loss of the body is nothing for an Ewigkeit user, they can instantly recover their body and spiritual essence, even if nothing is left of the body. Spiritual wounds of some complexity (torn entrails, severed limbs, fractured head) also heal within one hour. As the apostle is associated with their relic, killing them can only occur by destroying the holy relic itself severing the connection.

As for the activation of Briahs, are thought-based - but with chants used as a flowery way of showing it.

You can specifically see the powers already activating before the character even starts their chanting.


For Machina, he can activate his Briah with a thought, but he still needs to hit his opponent

Eleonore's Briah specifically makes escape impossible by teleporting her target into a realm of ceaselessly burning hellfire inside the barrel of her Relic that is impossible to escape from without cross-dimensional teleportation. Bring them "inside the barrel of the gun" so to speak.

Wolfgang's False Briah activates like all the others while his True Briah activates if he is touched.

Reinhard's Spear is his Yetrizah - he does need to throw it to kill someone, however - his Briah is his castle.

 

[Schnee_One]

The main stick of he LDO is that they don't need their body to survive.

alnd i think Rein's resistance is better that UKG's soul hax

Holy manipulation isn't Soul Hax so that's out

 

[Warren_Valion]

Okay so one ability from Rein is apparently a main shitick of all the LDO?
Regardless, UKG exists and his soul burns repeatedly so he can't think

The whole point of their magic is that the magic user stops relying on their body to do anything.

The body stops aging, hardens to impossible levels, regenreates, etcetera.

They're existence relies on the soul.

 

[Overlord775]

Holy manipulation isn't Soul Hax so that's out

Soul armor would still protec Reinhard from that

 

[Schnee_One]

I still ask how good his soul resistance actually is? I don't recall it being 1A.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Holy manipulation isn't Soul Hax so that's out

Soul armor would still protec Reinhard from that

Soul Armor is AP based - and UKG is just as strong, if not stronger.

He should be affected by her passives.

Since UKG's passives are lore-based, and thus their effectiveness isn't fully demonstrated - I can't reliably say which conclusion is the correct one and it seems that this is similar to the Hazama battle, in that both have hax that works against the other and can incap or kill one another.

I'm kind of leaning inconclusive because of it as the safest option.

 

[Schnee_One]

Also, even if they're similar in strength he gets weaker from Lapin

 

[Warren_Valion]

Also, even if they're similar in strength he gets weaker from Lapi

You are right, I forgot about her stat reduction.

 

[Overlord775]

Also, even if they're similar in strength he gets weaker from Lapi

I don't think that would affect the soul armor

@Warren

It's not AP based, it's relaint on the number of souls one possesses

 

[Warren_Valion]

@Warren

It's not AP based, it's relaint on the number of souls one possesses

The number of souls they have determines their strength.

Consuming more and more souls make them stronger - that's the whole point to the magic system.

So yes, it is AP based.

 

[Schnee_One]

I don't think that would affect the soul armor

@Warren

It's not AP based, it's relaint on the number of souls one possesses

It nulls your AP and it's based on AP, so yes, it would work