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Kriemhild Gretchen v.s Reinhard

It's passive because it's not something that gets turned on and off.

Lapin (the original owner of the ability) just depowers stuff while looking at it

Edit: That's the eye-based power null
 
Kaltias said:
It's passive because it's not something that gets turned on and off.
Lapin (the original owner of the ability) just depowers stuff while looking at it

Edit: That's the eye-based power null
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So the power is eye-based for the original user, but is constantly passively on for UKG?
 
I don't get what you mean?

It's passive for both, it's literally an added effect to "looking at stuff"

It's not an aura or something, but it's still a passive effect
 
Huh didnt know that, sorry then.

Anyway this is basically the exact same match as with the BlazBlue guy? Soulless person with to many Passives.
 
PsychoWarper said:
Huh didnt know that.
Anyway this is basically the exact same match as with the BlazBlue guy? Soulless person with to many Passives.
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Nah, she has offensive passives that will kill Reinhard. Hazama didn't.

Imagine the power that Reinhard would have if he killed her with the spear though. At that point, he is untouchable.
 
PsychoWarper said:
So its the same match but shes got better passives? Ok
Killing Reinhard is kinda hard though
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Sorry, not kill. but incapacitate.

Reinhard will always regenerate, but he will always just be in the process of being killed because of her passives.

I don't think he can win here. His 4-A key however - destroys the witch
 
Yeah she passives beats 5-B Rein and gets passively rolfed by 4-A Rei.

Again sorry about the soul rip thing.
 
>Poison

"Its gaseous body boasts a strong resilience to physical attacks, but its one flaw is that its surroundings are harmed by the toxins flowing from it. When this Doppel appears, all those nearby will be severely poisoned, regardless of whether they're friend or foe. Even its own master would hardly be able to stand it without her gas mask on. This Doppel is also very inquisitive, and is thrilled by the sight of rare witches or monsters."

>Holy

"All those who feel its presence shall ceaselessly disgorge their sins, be wrapped in purifying flames before one's eyes, and finally be burned away to ashes. No matter who or what stands before this Doppel, it shall find sin within them and expose it before the light of day. In short, one has no choice but to accept the full brunt of its absurd purity."

>Fate

From Yachiyo Nanami, whose whish makes it so that she will "survive", it makes people near her die after long expositions so that she will be the sole survivor, and from Tart, who is destined to survive and become a hero due to Riz's wish, made her survive after getting killed and it's what made her high 3-A

>Invisibility, intangibility and non corporeality

Doubt they're relevant for this fight so I'll skip them

>Death manip and magic null

"This Doppel does not forget death, which comes equally to all things in creation. It covers everything with fluttering petals, and gracefully comes to escort away girls with its white gloves. Both it and its master have no way to attack directly, but its power, which exists alongside the demise of all things, is fearsome nonetheless. All magical energy covered by its flowers will wither away, leaving nothing behind."

Its animation shows it dropping these petals by standing there

>Limited Luck manip

From Tsuruno Yui, who wished to win the lottery. Her wish gave her good luck after that

>Power null

Explained by Kal

>Absorption

"This Doppel resembles a giant, floating Soul Gem. When it appears, everything around it is pulled into the interior of the substance it produces, and is thereby rendered helpless."

>Wealth production

From the lucky girl's doppel: "In contrast to its master's desire to achieve great success through her own efforts, this Doppel simply produces endless wealth to satisfy the greed of its master's relatives, attempting to protect what is only a temporary family harmony."

>Unaffected by physical phenomena

"By using this Doppel, the two of them isolate themselves from everything except each other, and none of the changes in this world can affect them. Within this tiny half-planet, they only have need for each other. The use of this Doppel shuts out all physical phenomena and the passage of time, guaranteeing one's personal safety, but as a side effect, the memories of anyone other than the two of them will fade away."

>Curse reversal

"This Doppel takes the form of a massive snake god, created from the long forelocks that its master grew out to prevent her heart from being known. It will fatally curse those who try to intrude upon its master's heart, by turning their own curses back upon them."

>Territory claiming + power increase

"The master of this emotion fears that her living space will be eroded by this Doppel, and makes sure to carefully choose when and where to summon it. This is because regardless of its master's intentions, the Doppel will cover its surroundings in rotting moss as soon as it appears, claim the area as its own territory, and thereafter seek only to expand said territory. If it were summoned in the wrong place, even its master's most beloved places would be consumed by rotting moss, and would surely be unable to maintain their original form. This Doppel can exercise absolutely tremendous power within the confines of its territory."

I think that's all for the mentioned ones
 
Die Ewigkeit users' bodies are completely meaningless - so I am not entirely sure if the poison would affect or not.

I guess the holy thing would work, but...Heresey! Reinhard is the purest being in creation - it is Gretchen who will burn for sins

So it manipulates Fate so the user always survives by finding ways to kill the opponent? It would work, but not permanently do to immortality. Her other passives seem better. Luck manipulation is basically manipulating fate so I don't think it adds much.

I like how you ignored Invisibility, intangibility, and non-corporeality, but included Wealth production. You are right in those being pointless to Reinhard, but I find it funny that such a cosmic being produces money.

I guess the Death Manipulation would work, but is a phone game canon?

Power null and Magic null and absorption would work on all of his 3-D powers, but things like the Spear and Castle I believe are beyond Gretchen's limits.

Territory shit I figured out by the name alone.


I need to ask, does this stuff kill instantaneously? Or would someone survive for a few seconds to get a couple of last few thoughts?

If Reinhard thinks, then he can summon his castle - and Gretchen isn't getting inside of that no matter how far she tries to expand.
 
Why does it matter whether it will kill him instantaneously or not? Once he dies, he will get revived anyway. None of Gretchen passives can incap as I recall, aside of mindhax which is useless here.
 
Beast Zero Gudako said:
Why does it matter whether it will kill him instantaneously or not? Once he dies, he will get revived anyway. None of Gretchen passives can incap as I recall.
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If it kills instantly, then Reinhard will get incapacitated in an infinite state of him regening, or even that she justs absorbs him.

If Reinhard can think in for a few seconds, then he could summon his castle and regenerate safely in there - killing UKG by snipping with his spear from the castle as a way of congratulating UKG for being so strong - giving Reinhard all of her power.
 
Considering the starting range, pretty sure Rein will most likely dies the moment the "fight" starts due to Gretchen enormous AP advantage and the fact she is bigger than a planet.
 
Beast Zero Gudako said:
Considering the starting range, pretty sure Rein will most likely dies the moment the "fight" starts due to Gretchen enormous AP advantage and the fact she is bigger than a planet.
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AP advanatge?

She starts at her 5-B state and grows to 2-A, right?

How does she have an eneroous AP advantage - they both have the rating of "At least 5-B, likely far higher"


And yes, he would be within her range - but do her passives kill instantously or does it take a few seconds?
 
If Rein thinks it's over for her, on the other hand if she immediately kills him then she wins.

Also, can't Rein activate Glads while reforming?
 
Because UKG is stupidly above her fourth timeline incarnation. Basically, Homura time travelled for 100th (at least), and each times she did that Madoka became stronger. In the merely fourth timeline, Kriemhild Gretchen has reached 5-B, UKG is the final timeline incarnation of that. And need to I reminds you that the power boost was not linear, it keeps getting bigger each timelines.

Kal can explained it better than I am, so you should ask him about the 5-B AP in PMMM. Just wanna point it out that 5-B is a serious lowball.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
UKG is almost 5-A, hence the "likely far higher."
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Reinhard I believe does the same, if not higher my dude.

He casually scales above Meth. Who is the embodiment of darkness in Mercurius's creation - whom with a single night of his mystery was able to destroy half the planet.

Meth embodies the entirety of his mystery which is all the nights from the beginning of time to 1944, not to mention the decillion or so loops from Mercurius resetting the timeline as Meth was there since Mercurius took The Throne.

We used the most conservative multiplier possible as a much stronger Reinhard is only 4-A, but he scales to a multiplier that would make him like 3-B or 3-A. So I think Reinhard should be considered as strong, if not stronger than UKG.

Also, while this isn't on his page, Mercurius's creation has an infinite multiverse, so that already astronomically higher number could very well be multiplied by infinity as well. However, if you don't want to believe that, it doesn't really matter I think.
 
Beast Zero Gudako said:
Because UKG is stupidly above her fourth timeline incarnation. Basically, Homura time travelled for 100th (at least), and each times she did that Madoka became stronger. In the merely fourth timeline, Kriemhild Gretchen has reached 5-B, UKG is the final timeline incarnation of that. And need to I reminds you that the power boost was not linear, it keeps getting bigger each timelines.
Kal can explained it better than I am, so you should ask him about the 5-B AP in PMMM. Just wanna point it out that 5-B is a serious lowball.
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Same for Reinhard, read my post after yours.
 
No, it isn't.

Basically, at first you are building level, in the next day you are twice stronger than that, next you are 800 times stronger than that, next is 10 millions times stronger than that, this continues until it reaches hundred. The growth isn't linear like Reinhard, but it keeps getting bigger and bigger each days.

Madoka/Gretchen are like that, just replace days with timeline. Gretchen could also be 3-A in AP as well.

@Shadow Madoka, Gretchen, False Madoka and AoC are not almost 5-A, they are definitely far FAR above it. We're only giving them 5-B rating as huge-ass lowball.
 
Beast Zero Gudako said:
No, it isn't.
Basically, at first you are building level, in the next day you are twice stronger than that, next you are 800 times stronger than that, next is 10 millions times stronger than that, this continues until it reaches hundred. The growth isn't linear like Reinhard, but it keeps getting bigger and bigger each days.

Madoka/Gretchen are like that, just replace days with timeline. Gretchen could also be 3-A in AP as well.

@Shadow Madoka, Gretchen, False Madoka and AoC are not almost 5-A, they are definitely far FAR above it. We're only giving them 5-B rating as huge-ass lowball.
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Why would the difference in timelines be that sporadically exponential? Where is the proof that that difference is that substantial?

And do you know how many days there are since the beginning of time to 1944? Or how large a number of at least decillions resets is?
 
Gretchen went from 6-C to 5-B in one timeline. That is (idk the number) times stronger than her previous jump (7-B to 6-C). In the next timeline, the jump would be much bigger than that.

Doesn't matter when Rein growth are linear unlike Gretchen.
 
AP don't matter here, and even this fight will not take more than some hours, so why keep discussing it?

This fights is simple, if she can incap him before he thinks then she wins if not then he throws thw spear.

Also Rein growth is insanely fast, if there isn't another law clashing with his then he can go to 1-A in minutes.
 
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