Kirito vs Sonic: Rematch... Again

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Exactly my point, so I don't see why this is special at all.

That's... not true. Incarnation is explicity said to be working on Kirito himself, all the feats listed on the page are of it being used on his own body, so it wouldn't have any effect on Sonic since he isn't even targeted.

Zamasu wasn't using Reality Warping at all as IZ. He just became one with the universe and that's literally it

It affects Sonic indirectly, since the ability would make Sonic lose via reality warping. That is if it would've worked

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Yes but people just said Sonic FRA just because of one person. And now there's more coming up with other claims. :/

Oh the hypocrisy, I can literally say the same thing about your side as well

 

[Confluctor]

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[Star_King_Demon_Lord]

Oh the hypocrisy, I can literally say the same thing about your side as well

Fair Enough?

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Almost as if there was a FRA train against Mario.

 

[Star_King_Demon_Lord]

Almost as if there was a FRA train against Mario.

That match was a mess

 

[Ionliosite]

Zamasu wasn't using Reality Warping at all as IZ. He just became one with the universe and that's literally it

I never said Zamasu was using RW, so that's not even the argument.

It affects Sonic indirectly, since the ability would make Sonic lose via reality warping. That is if it would've worked

I mean, if you want to argue by that, I can say Sonic doesn't resist Probability Manipulation and move on.

 

[DastardlyDangerousDracoga]

Sorry, I was skimming. Can you state who you voted for?

Kirito, as there are still too many unknowns I wanted to clear up.

 

[DastardlyDangerousDracoga]

That match was a mess

Cough, cough, Bias and Fallacy, cough

 

[Purgy]

Mario can rest easy knowing Sonic won this for him.

Grace is over btw.

 

[JED]

Skimmed the thread, probably made an error somewhere so tell me if I missed or misplaced someone please.

Sonic: 20 (Gilad_Hyperstar, Maverick Zero X, GlaceonGamez471, ShakeResounding, Ned_the_outer_god, AnonymousBlank, Alphaapexnep00, Theuser789, ShadowWarrior1999, Earthyboy, Starsprite53, MrKerf, Bruhtelho, Smashtwig, HowManyMemes, TyranoDoom30, Purgy, Js250476, DastardlyDangerousDracoga, Confluctor)

Kirito: 9 (Ionliosite, Bernkastelll, Greenshifter, Helestias, M1ntyIc3CreamXZ, Trumpty_Dumpty, PhantomØ4, Zencha9, Pink999999)

Me for Sonic

 

[Theuser789]

The OP is literally arguing for Kirito and trying to debunk Sonic arguments
Yet Sonic is the biased here

Holy cope

 

[Zencha9]

Wait now that i look at it why does sonic resist RW?
It says Because he resist Alf Layla-Wa Layla warping reality but i saw the video and nothing said that sonic resisted RW he just transformed and the fight began
Even then Alf Layla-Wa Layla said that he will remake the world anf reality nothing says that he will affect sonic

 

[Theuser789]

He was warping the Arabian Nights before the fight

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Wait now that i look at it why does sonic resist RW?
It says Because he resist Alf Layla-Wa Layla warping reality but i saw the video and nothing said that sonic resisted RW he just transformed and the fight began
Even then Alf Layla-Wa Layla said that he will remake the world anf reality nothing says that he will affect sonic

Because his transformation caused said RW across the entire Arabian world, which Sonic was unaffected by. Considering how he would've affected the rest of the citizens (he did), Sonic resists.

 

[Zencha9]

Because his transformation caused said RW across the entire Arabian world, which Sonic was unaffected by. Considering how he would've affected the rest of the citizens (he did), Sonic resists.

Did affect a person? anyone? Because what im saying is that alf is warping the world not the people in
Also that's another sonic transformation why would it scale to super sonjc?

 

[Theuser789]

It affected everyone that was in the book, we clearly don't see Simbad floating there for example
Sonic resisted in base, this is derrailing btw, since grace ended

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Did affect a person? anyone? Because what im saying is that alf is warping the world not the people in
Also that's another sonic transformation why would it scale to super sonjc?

Yes, literally everyone in the entire universe. People are INSIDE the world, you realize they're going to get affected because of that. Sonic was right next Alf-Layla-Wa-Layla during this, already you can see the surroundings are being affected. Sonic even prior to getting Darkspine was just fine.

 

[Zencha9]

It affected everyone that was in the book, we clearly don't see Simbad floating there for example
Sonic resisted in base

Scans?

 

[Theuser789]

It's already on the page, that's how it was accepted

 

[Zencha9]

Ok sure if you'll play that card then fine
RW is a side effect of incarnation
Ive said mutliple times and is Accepted as such
Sonic needs a feat of him resisting his probability being manipulated

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Scans?

Done so upon his transformation that everything is being warped.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

You'll notice how the background was darkened already, much like in his boss battle, meaning Sonic resists it.

 

[Zencha9]

You'll notice how the background was darkened already, much like in his boss battle, meaning Sonic resists it.

Like i said alf said that he will recreate the world so why are we assuming that the darkening thing to be his RW when it could be something like void manip which is already in his profile

 

[Confluctor]

It's pretty cut and clear reality warping. He used his RW, sonic resisted it, they fight.

 

[Zencha9]

It's pretty cut and clear reality warping. He used his RW, sonic resisted it, they fight.

The screen darkening and him saying that he will remake the world contrdicts this heavily

 

[Star_King_Demon_Lord]

I don't know much, but did he turn into Darkspine Sonic cuz' of a ring?

 

[Confluctor]

From RW's page on this wiki; "Examples include erasing things out of existence, granting wishes, creating universes, creating/altering matter, time manipulation, spatial manipulation, etc."

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

I don't know much, but did he turn into Darkspine Sonic cuz' of a ring?

He absorbed three of the seven World Rings

 

[ShakeResounding]

Yeah, three of the World Rings flew out of Alf amd towards Sonic after his transformation was complete.

 

[Zencha9]

From RW's page on this wiki; "Examples include erasing things out of existence, granting wishes, creating universes, creating/altering matter, time manipulation, spatial manipulation, etc."

Dude literally every power is RW

 

[Confluctor]

Yeah but Eraser's main ability is reality warping. And now watch the whole final chapter of the Seven rings game. Or that video someone sent above. It's reality warping

 

[Theuser789]

Grace already ended guys

 

[Confluctor]

Yeah true.

Going to sleep now, so can't answer ATM if someone quotes my earlier reply

 

[Zencha9]

Yeah but Eraser's main ability is reality warping. And now watch the whole final chapter of the Seven rings game. Or that video someone sent above. It's reality warping

Him saying that he will be this world's new creator and saying that he will recreate the world&reality means that he will just destroy/erase reality and recreate it later

 

[DatOneWeeb]

Like i said alf said that he will recreate the world so why are we assuming that the darkening thing to be his RW when it could be something like void manip which is already in his profile

Because that's him warping everything within it, look at the boss fight and notice how everything is just gone. To the point where Sonic is needed to restore it.

 

[Zencha9]

Im gonna drop it for now
But that doesn't really mean that sonic resist incarnation

Are just gonna keep repeating that over and over?
even though it's wrong amd i said mutliple times that RW is a side effect of incarnation and not the other way around

Even sonic resisting RW does not really matter even (even if we ignore how incarnation only affects the user) Because sonic needs feats of resisting his probability being maniplated most of the powers&abilites in this wiki come from RW but it doesn't mean resisting Reality warping makes you resist everything like fate law or probability manip you need actual feats of resisting these

 

[Theuser789]

Grace ended, nobody has to keep arguing anymore

 

[JED]

Grace ended, nobody has to keep arguing anymore

This is definitely gonna be redone at some point lmao

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

This is definitely gonna be redone at some point lmao

Let's hope not