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Kirito vs Sonic: Rematch... Again

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ShakeResounding said:
And you just completely disregarded both the temperature it takes to freeze him and how quickly he breaks free on top of that.
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You know it is basically the same, right?
ShakeResounding said:
Sonic is standing there completely unaffected. His very presence warped and tore at reality. What are you talking about? Now that Probability Manip isn't valid, you target Sonic's resistance?
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Sonic is not even targetted there tho, when he is targetted by Alf he needs to transform into Darkspine to not get affected. That's how debates work, you know? I'm literally seeing his profile and see how does his resistance works, I'm questioning it, it is something normal.
ShakeResounding said:
And people seem to seriously be breaching what Kirito would do in-character, apparently.
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Not really, I literally posted Kirito using the life manip againts the people he froze.
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Lol. The indirectly affected argument, where does that even come from? If someone warps reality so their clothes are red instead of blue does Sonic suddenly resist that just because Reality warping? Did he actually show this?

It’s not even directly targeting Sonic, it’s like a spin wheel that’s 90% blue and 10% yellow but always lands on the 10% despite the probability supposedly being 90% for red.
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It is affecting sonic cause it's affecting is chance of winning. Flawed comparison by the way.
 
If it’s a false analogy explain why rather than just saying it.

10% always happening doesn’t change 90% chance it just breaks conventional logic like literally half of the abilities being used.
 
Ionliosite said:
Sonic is not even targetted there tho, when he is targetted by Alf he needs to transform into Darkspine to not get affected. That's how debates work, you know? I'm literally seeing his profile and see how does his resistance works, I'm questioning it, it is something normal.
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Oh you can debate, I'm just not sure if you can read. Doing it by existence is a passive. That's how passives work, ya know? You don't really need to have a target to affect somebody with them when they're around you.
 
Skimmed the thread, probably made an error somewhere so tell me if I missed or misplaced someone please.

Sonic: 21 (Gilad_Hyperstar, Maverick Zero X, GlaceonGamez471, ShakeResounding, Ned_the_outer_god, AnonymousBlank, Alphaapexnep00, Theuser789, ShadowWarrior1999, Earthyboy, Starsprite53, MrKerf, Bruhtelho, Smashtwig, HowManyMemes, TyranoDoom30, Purgy, Js250476, DastardlyDangerousDracoga, Confluctor), JED)

Kirito: 9 (Ionliosite, Bernkastelll, Greenshifter, Helestias, M1ntyIc3CreamXZ, Trumpty_Dumpty, PhantomØ4, Zencha9, Pink999999)
 
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Gilad_Hyperstar said:
The description means that his RW would make the opponent lose, meaning it definitely affects Sonic, since the RW would make him lose

Except that doesn't work because once again, SONIC RESISTS THAT
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Are just gonna keep repeating that over and over?
even though it's wrong amd i said mutliple times that RW is a side effect of incarnation and not the other way around

Even sonic resisting RW does not really matter even (even if we ignore how incarnation only affects the user) Because sonic needs feats of resisting his probability being maniplated most of the powers&abilites in this wiki come from RW but it doesn't mean resisting Reality warping makes you resist everything like fate law or probability manip you need actual feats of resisting these
 
PhantomØ4 said:
Lol. The indirectly affected argument, where does that even come from? If someone warps reality so their clothes are red instead of blue does Sonic suddenly resist that just because Reality warping? Did he actually show this?
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Wrong equivalence. This reality warping would directly affect Kirito's opponent, which in this case, is Sonic, to make Sonic lose

However, Sonic resists reality warping so it won't work

Your example of changing color from red to blue doesn't affect the other person at all so it's a bad analogy
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Skimmed the thread, probably made an effort somewhere so tell me if I missed or misplaced someone please.

Sonic: 19 (Gilad_Hyperstar, Maverick Zero X, GlaceonGamez471, ShakeResounding, Ned_the_outer_god, AnonymousBlank, Alphaapexnep00, Theuser789, ShadowWarrior1999, Earthyboy, Starsprite53, MrKerf, Bruhtelho, Smashtwig, HowManyMemes, TyranoDoom30, Purgy, Js250476)

Kirito: 9 (Ionliosite, Bernkastelll, Greenshifter, Helestias, M1ntyIc3CreamXZ, Trumpty_Dumpty, PhantomØ4, Zencha9, Pink999999)
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You forgot me for Sonic
 
Doesn't Sonic have BFR or something? That's way he can incap Kirito, or is that not in-character for Sonic?
 
This is literally saying that u can resist fire hax that destroy concepts just because u resist fire hax, Incarnation has both reality warping and probability hax, Sonic does not resist probability
 
ShakeResounding said:
Oh you can debate, I'm just not sure if you can read.
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Thanks for the insult.
ShakeResounding said:
Doing it by existence is a passive. That's how passives work, ya know? You don't really need to have a target to affect somebody with them when they're around you.
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I guess you're implying Goku has resistance to Space-Time hax because Infinite Zamasu. Anyhow, since Kirito's RW isn't even aimed at Sonic, it really doesn't matter if you resists since he isn't using it againts them.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Skimmed the thread, probably made an error somewhere so tell me if I missed or misplaced someone please.

Sonic: 19 (Gilad_Hyperstar, Maverick Zero X, GlaceonGamez471, ShakeResounding, Ned_the_outer_god, AnonymousBlank, Alphaapexnep00, Theuser789, ShadowWarrior1999, Earthyboy, Starsprite53, MrKerf, Bruhtelho, Smashtwig, HowManyMemes, TyranoDoom30, Purgy, Js250476)

Kirito: 9 (Ionliosite, Bernkastelll, Greenshifter, Helestias, M1ntyIc3CreamXZ, Trumpty_Dumpty, PhantomØ4, Zencha9, Pink999999)
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Disappointing that you missed me.
 
Ionliosite said:
I guess you're implying Goku has resistance to Space-Time hax because Infinite Zamasu. Anyhow, since Kirito's RW isn't even aimed at Sonic, it really doesn't matter if you resists since he isn't using it againts them.
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False Analogy. Infinite Zamasu doesn't have any haxes aside from him being one with Universe 7

Also, he does use RW against Sonic since this directly affect him and make him lose. Except that would fail due to resistance
 
Ionliosite said:
I guess you're implying Goku has resistance to Space-Time hax because Infinite Zamasu.
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Oh, Zamasu was screwing with both Space and Time in such a ravenous way that reality was being torn apart at the seams? I must have missed that part of the episode.

Or, far more likely, that was just a false equivalence.
 
It does affect the other person bevause their perception of the object is changed. His probability going down as a direct result of RW it is just a side effect probability manipulation (which he doesn’t even resist; the reality warping isn’t being used on him the only thing one would argue to affect him is side-effect probability manipulation). However, the vote count is ridiculously titled towards the blue fur ball so whatever.
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
False Analogy. Infinite Zamasu doesn't have any haxes aside from him being one with Universe 7

Also, he does use RW against Sonic since this directly affect him and make him lose. Except that would fail due to resistance
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Untrue, Zamasu was passively becoming one with the universe and breaching space-time with his existence.

That's literally not how Incarnation works.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Skimmed the thread, probably made an error somewhere so tell me if I missed or misplaced someone please.

Sonic: 20 (Gilad_Hyperstar, Maverick Zero X, GlaceonGamez471, ShakeResounding, Ned_the_outer_god, AnonymousBlank, Alphaapexnep00, Theuser789, ShadowWarrior1999, Earthyboy, Starsprite53, MrKerf, Bruhtelho, Smashtwig, HowManyMemes, TyranoDoom30, Purgy, Js250476, DastardlyDangerousDracoga)

Kirito: 9 (Ionliosite, Bernkastelll, Greenshifter, Helestias, M1ntyIc3CreamXZ, Trumpty_Dumpty, PhantomØ4, Zencha9, Pink999999)
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Me for sonic
 
Ionliosite said:
Untrue, Zamasu was passively becoming one with the universe and breaching space-time with his existence.

That's literally not how Incarnation works.
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That's nothing more unusual than any omnipresent Low 2-C being

That's how it's described in the profile though.
 
Maverick_Zero_X said:
Sonic: 20 (Gilad_Hyperstar, Maverick Zero X, GlaceonGamez471, ShakeResounding, Ned_the_outer_god, AnonymousBlank, Alphaapexnep00, Theuser789, ShadowWarrior1999, Earthyboy, Starsprite53, MrKerf, Bruhtelho, Smashtwig, HowManyMemes, TyranoDoom30, Purgy, Js250476, DastardlyDangerousDracoga)
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Me, hello? sonic pls
 
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
That's nothing more unusual than any omnipresent Low 2-C being
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Exactly my point, so I don't see why this is special at all.
Gilad_Hyperstar said:
That's how it's described in the profile though.
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That's... not true. Incarnation is explicity said to be working on Kirito himself, all the feats listed on the page are of it being used on his own body, so it wouldn't have any effect on Sonic since he isn't even targeted.
 
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