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Tier 3 and 4 being wrong seems fine
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You are saying that Sora not being winded indicates a casual battle, this makes cure spells restoring stamina relevant. Cure spells still take time to cast and you would think that they would be able to cast other spells or put up defenses with the same amount of time. Lingering Will having thought of Riku is definitely not conjecture, I don't quite understand where you get that idea from. The link should be enough to prove my point about that.I don't see the point you're making here for cure spells restoring stamina. That's what all healing does. Cure spells are also come out fast as shown here so your argument of Lingering Will stopping them from curing is unfounded. The rest of your point I don't have to address, it's conjecture.
If Lingering Will is so fast that nobody can block or dodge or even help each other do so successfully, then I don't think that Donald would have the amount of time for healing that he had in that video you've linked. Lingering Will may as well combo all of them at once if he is that much faster.There's no existing defense spell and "put up defense" doesn't mean anything to someone considerably stronger then Sora. Curse spell takes very little time and Lingering Will doesn't combo everyone at once so I fail to see what this means this is purely trying to nitpick how an ability works, Sora and co. were beaten one-sided by Lingering Will. That is conjecture it doesn't prove anything you're trying to argue about the fight not being one-sided.
If someone cannot block or dodge, then isn't that someone getting blitzed or how can they not block or dodge?Looked through the comments above and no one said he was so faster tot he point that characters can't get heals off, this is just conjecture. You just decided to interpret one sided fight as someone being blitzed beyond belief and I don't know why.
Oh so pointless red herring, ok.
If there is no overwhelming speed difference, then Sora did probably dodge attacks from Lingering Will. You were insisting the whole time that Lingering Will made it impossible for them to block or dodge which doesn't make sense if he isn't significantly faster. Being stronger allows one to break through a block but it doesn't prevent someone from blocking and without superior speed it does nothing against the opponent dodging.No it's not the same, it can alternatively mean someone has incredibly higher AP, interpreting me saying they were overpowered and one-sidedly beaten as me saying they were speed blitz is an incredibly weird way to interpret that scenario.
Don't care, you really didn't "debunk" but I'm not going to go over this because it's irrelevant to the topic if you want to debate this you can find a place off site to debate me on this (though I doubt we're ever doing this topic since I only really do VCs off-site). No you're not when the topic is on AP and you try to go off-topic. Stay on topic, it's not that hard.
@Matthew_Schroeder You got the tier 5 compilation yet?
Move on after that
Was mad I wasn't responding to the Vanitas point
Atm tier 6 calc @PlozAlcachaz mentioned and we agreed toSo can you guys some up the currently accepted AP and Speed ratings w/o the Tier 5 stuff from Matt?
I said that Sora was able to avoid or mitigate damage to some degree during the course of the battle. That's all.All I insisted was that the fight was one-sided, being able to dodge several attacks doesn't suddenly negate that.
Do I need to get a mod to explain that why Lingering Will called Sora Xehanort in a discussion about Sora's AP isn't at all a relevant point, that was a side point I brought up, like I said you want to debate this, it will be off site or on a relevant thread. Stay on topic.
Anyways as far as I can see Nehz agrees Terranort is stronger so I see no reason to continue this discussion, just putting him on ignore and focusing on what this thread is meant for, Matt needs to post the tier 5 compilations and then we're basically done here.
I didn't notice that this was in General Discussion.Perhaps this should be moved to the Content Revision board?
That doesn't really sound like direct proof focus is canon, it'd be the same thing as saying the drive gauge is canon because there's various abilities in KH 2 that allow the drive gauge to be filled faster. Also even if we treated specifically that as canon, that happens to be the one focus that doesn't slow down time.Well, Focus Syphon makes it clear that it is there at least, it's not like the other Syphon abilities with Sora reloading it by taking damage, but it's explicitly an special Shotlock to refill it by absorbing Focus from the targets respectively, and out of how Sora can't focus as it is only avaiable when it runs out, nothing is slowed down in his perspective while charging it, unlike regular Shotlocks and Airstepping.
Okay, thanks.Rule Violation Report