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Kars VS Cinder (13-7-0)
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Scottycj256
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putting in vote for Kars and unwatching because im not dealing with this bullshit
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Wait how much more can the Aura survive than the user themselves, because if Kars can one-shot somebody x3 Baseline I would think that it wouldn't be that hard to crack Cindy's Aura.
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Aura is generally more durable then the one using it... Cinder is two one-shots and two stomps above a rating already above 3x baseline High 8-C. It'd be hard.
Spinoirr
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It can take Multiple hits from people comparable from them before breaking
Spinoirr
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"Her actual disintegration needs her to be on contact with the person."
Cinder vs Rhodes and Cinder vs Pyrrha imply otherwise
"Doesn't she require physical contact to incinerate with her semblance? IIRC, her ranged attacks without magic consisted of glass shards and arrows."
Her arrow incinrated Pyrrha so no Also her arrows can also blow up thanks to her Semblance heating the ground or whatever they touch
Cinder vs Rhodes and Cinder vs Pyrrha imply otherwise
"Doesn't she require physical contact to incinerate with her semblance? IIRC, her ranged attacks without magic consisted of glass shards and arrows."
Her arrow incinrated Pyrrha so no Also her arrows can also blow up thanks to her Semblance heating the ground or whatever they touch
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Can you send clips of those?
Spinoirr
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The whole cinder vs amber thing has her fire arrows that hit the ground and blow up because of her semblance heating the ground up also her arrows constantly blow up even in vol 8 vs Penny
Also she touched phyrras headpiece and that didn't turn to ash and it's even more impressive as her arrow basically flash vaporized her armor except for that headpiece
Also she touched phyrras headpiece and that didn't turn to ash and it's even more impressive as her arrow basically flash vaporized her armor except for that headpiece
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She literally held her head and then she vaporized, that doesn’t tell me the arrow can vaporize at a distance when she has to come close to vaporize.
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Is she now? She's fought somebody that strong before?
Spinoirr
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Yeah this is atals arc cider so she Masively upscales from
Ruby in the start of vol 4 who one shots baseline nevermore that's 4 tons
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Let me lay down the reasons for Kars winning for the people voting for him
Far superior intelligence and strategy: Can't exactly counter that, but the argument that Kars would know that Cinder's flames are hot enough to melt stone(not exactly, he'd see it smoldering a lot but that's it) and that she drains her aura as she uses her powers (Requires Prior Knowledge)
More skill: laughably wrong, due to where the Pillar Men are situated they wouldn't get nearly as much skill as Cinder has under her belt
Hit and run agility tactics, enhanced by Kars's body and bone control: I dont recall Kars ever utilizing such tactics, or using his body and bone control in such a way. Plus Cinder has fought people who utilize them constantly before.
Regen: wouldn't survive a hit due to vaporization on both contact and with arrows
Far superior intelligence and strategy: Can't exactly counter that, but the argument that Kars would know that Cinder's flames are hot enough to melt stone(not exactly, he'd see it smoldering a lot but that's it) and that she drains her aura as she uses her powers (Requires Prior Knowledge)
More skill: laughably wrong, due to where the Pillar Men are situated they wouldn't get nearly as much skill as Cinder has under her belt
Hit and run agility tactics, enhanced by Kars's body and bone control: I dont recall Kars ever utilizing such tactics, or using his body and bone control in such a way. Plus Cinder has fought people who utilize them constantly before.
Regen: wouldn't survive a hit due to vaporization on both contact and with arrows
Oh lord have mercy...
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Lisa lisa tho, he wont even fight you 1v1 if he thinks there's a risk, he's a ******* rat with no dignity or honor. He literally opened up against Lisa with a solar flare, pulled the ol switcheroo, and tagged her as she was confused as **** as to why she could sense multiple Kars, no will to fight or malice though, or anything of the sort, all while Kars was laying in front of her melting, till it was to late.
It's unironically one of the few tactics we've seen him do.
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Would he do it with a decently strange-clothed woman who can empower her weapons with a fire of some kind?
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You unironically basically described Lisa Lisa.
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Lol, then what happens if Kars's first attack doesn't seem to do much (on top of the fact that Cinder would likely immediately AoE)
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Wait can't Kars just wait until she shuts down her force fields in order for her to attack to counter-attack with his Hamon? Seeing as she seems to default to a sword and not ranged arrows in her more recent fights.
By the way, can't Kars win from the get-go by touching Cinder due to her Aura being inorganic in nature seeing as Wamuu only briefly touched somebody's clothing and absorbed part of it, which is inorganic?
I just felt like asking that before voting either which way
By the way, can't Kars win from the get-go by touching Cinder due to her Aura being inorganic in nature seeing as Wamuu only briefly touched somebody's clothing and absorbed part of it, which is inorganic?
I just felt like asking that before voting either which way
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He'd far prefer to try and sneak attack which wouldn't really work while as Cinder would just AoE or touch him.
He doesn't have feats of absorbing something that also comes from the soul.
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Cinder doesn't seem to really start with AoEs heck in the fight that I posted she primarily fought with a sword even during the fight in Atlus she only seems to fight with swords and very close range fire-based attacks. So I don't really see her using arrow spam or AoE off the bat
Ah I see fair enough
Ah I see fair enough
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Cinder isn't stupid enough to not AoE after someone just used a flash to blind her (which she can fight while blinded anyway) and senses them coming to sneak attack her. And if she senses two Kars sneak attacking her she'll just AOE.
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Also that was Cinder's maiden powers, she doesn't shut down her forcefields in-character.
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Kars FRA
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Is this the only example of vaporization? Because like, that doesn't look like vaporization.
If you have another post it for reference.
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No.Kars FRA
azontr
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I assumed the plethora of moon faces made it obvious I was trolling. I'm not voting legitimately until the debate finishes.
RandomGuy2345
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I said no in a joking matter lol.
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She does seem stupid enough to not do such when surrounded by several people though and not just using her incineration HAX on Wynter or Weiss during Atlus.
Also, the force fields aren't always passively up as we saw in the fight she had against Wynter and Penny so I don't think that her force field is that big of an obstacle her Aura might be the bigger challenge for Kars.
Spinoirr
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Ok we clearly have different views on what "vaporization" is, that looks more like melting into a molten state.
a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶n̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶p̶h̶a̶s̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶o̶u̶t̶ ̶l̶i̶k̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶ ̶N̶6̶4̶ ̶d̶r̶a̶w̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶t̶a̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶b̶e̶c̶a̶u̶s̶e̶ ̶r̶w̶b̶y̶'̶s̶ ̶m̶a̶d̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶e̶s̶t̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶u̶d̶g̶e̶t̶.̶ ̶
Is there an example where what she burns doesnt turn into hot glowy orange looking pieces? Anything with actual vapor or steam? Maybe at least liquified? What about that melting marble example someone mentioned earlier? Surely that's less weird looking and is just "marble gets hit with fire. is gone".
u̶n̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ ̶i̶t̶'̶s̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶t̶e̶d̶ ̶s̶h̶e̶'̶s̶ ̶v̶a̶p̶o̶r̶i̶z̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶g̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶w̶h̶i̶c̶h̶ ̶c̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶I̶'̶l̶l̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶a̶c̶c̶e̶p̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶e̶s̶t̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶b̶u̶d̶g̶e̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶t̶ ̶p̶l̶a̶y̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶n̶o̶t̶ ̶b̶e̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶a̶n̶i̶m̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶v̶a̶p̶o̶r̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶w̶h̶a̶t̶e̶v̶e̶r̶.̶
Spinoirr
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Her aura forcefield was up in that fight though, she just didnt use her magic forcefields and wouldnt be able to here as she doesnt have her maiden powers available
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Ah okay
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Companion guidebook has WoG saying she turned Pyyra to Ash lol
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Ok so ash, but that ain't vapor?
Ash I get, it kinda looked like that, but there's still difference between these things, by a whole magnitude even from size alone.
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Maybe, Ash is still enough to kill Kars me thinks
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Recovering from being turned to ashes is high-mid, it's just a higher level then what Kars has got.
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