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In regards to his body control and light mode, I would say he has a fair chance in close quarters
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Kars VS Cinder (13-7-0)
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Uh... houston? She did it with a damn arrow.
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Also Cinder melted Pyyra's sword and nearly did the same to Rhodes' metal covered body through his aura.
Glass, I hate RWBY and pretty much every God damn thing to do with it, but stop downplaying for the sake of downplaying.
Glass, I hate RWBY and pretty much every God damn thing to do with it, but stop downplaying for the sake of downplaying.
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Are you referring to when she shot Pyrrha with an arrow? And then she walked up to her and held her head when she disintegrated her entire body? If so that isn’t really proof she can disintegrate people with range when her only onscreen feat that we know of for disintegration is on contact.
Cinder melted the sword on direct contact with it, she didn’t do it from a distance.
Where am I downplaying for the sake of downplaying? I said she needs to make contact to disintegrate. If I’m flat out downplaying I would’ve said she never disintegrates in character.
Cinder melted the sword on direct contact with it, she didn’t do it from a distance.
Where am I downplaying for the sake of downplaying? I said she needs to make contact to disintegrate. If I’m flat out downplaying I would’ve said she never disintegrates in character.
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He isn't, and she can't disintigrate with arrows. To disintigrate Pyrrha she had to physically touch her.
Also, getting in close is a shit option for Cinder since Kars is just... better in CQC. If she tries to use AoE or Range, she can't beat his regen. If she closes, she gets beat via Kars' insane CQC abilities, acrobatics, and body control.
Relying on AoE or Range means he regens, and Kars royally beats her in CQC via his Acrobatics and Body control.
It's comin' up Kars for me, chief.
Also, getting in close is a shit option for Cinder since Kars is just... better in CQC. If she tries to use AoE or Range, she can't beat his regen. If she closes, she gets beat via Kars' insane CQC abilities, acrobatics, and body control.
Relying on AoE or Range means he regens, and Kars royally beats her in CQC via his Acrobatics and Body control.
It's comin' up Kars for me, chief.
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At least you gave an explanation, unlike the people who just ignored Reaper's comments and just said "Kars FRA lol."
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Ah yes, the regen that can easily be bypassed by literally any hit with semblance attacked to it because Kars can't regenerate from getting melted or getting turned to ash. Add this with Cinder's far, far, far, FAR superior AP and we have a one-shot if Kars gets close. Because Cinder can literally AOE from herself.
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First, he can regen from that, what are you on about?
If you mean Hamon, Hamon specifically melts their cells and nulls their regen. It's not via heat or melting, otherwise ACDC would be stronger than Kars.
And you severely overestimate the AP gap, since Kars is over three times stronger than DIO, who is nearly High 8-C himself. So what is your point here? They both scale to the same level of AP with maybe a slight edge in Cinder's favor.
I'd honestly say you need to stop downplaying Kars. We haven't even covered his intelligence which means he can just... play around with Cinder, strategically, working his ass off to exhaust her and then moving in for the kill, or his Afterimages, which would just help him catch her off guard.
Kars is smarter, has better CQC skill and can avoid Cinder's attacks like nothing, and she legitmately can't counter his regen without physically touching him. He can play around her abilities, and we assume he'd even try to take a hit from her when that's out of character for him.
He's not gonna stand there and take her attacks, has everything in his kit to avoid them, and would out play her in every field that matters. Even if she could one-shot here (she can't), the hell can she do if she never lands an attack on him?
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He can regenerate from, let's see here... link. LOL at Kars regenerating from ashes..
I wasn't referring to Hamon I was referring to the stupid amount of an AP advantage Cinder has and the fact that her semblance/aura is better then Esidisi's heat stuff.
Update Kars's profile to have 3x baseline AP and durability and catch me later. Cause its only his damn bone blade that's 3x baseline, and Cinder has 2 one-shots and 2 stomps from a rating already over that. Kars has two stomps from baseline and some upscaling after that physically and durability-wise.
RWBY has some stupid skill feats, What does Kars have again? Oh, more skilled then a good martial artist. Hahahahaha. No.
She can counter his regen because it's laughably low in High-Mid. And she has a MASSIVE AP advantage on him, and guess what? He has Extended Melee Range. He is literally required to get into nuking with literally anything from Cinder to even begin to attempt to harm her.
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And by the way, a one-shot in-verse would take priority over the 7.5x difference one-shot we have. So she one-shots Kars 2 times over.
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You kidding right
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No. Joseph's skill feats ain't martial arts except for like one he guaranteed knows and the rest is really damn good strategy, Which I didn't comment on Kars's strategy for good reason. If you want to bring up Kars murdering the rest of the pillar men he had help and we never saw precisely what happened during it.
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If its wrong you know I'll concede if I'm countered hard enough and I have no response to it.
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What the thread should've been like in the first place.
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You mean the thing she needs to touch him with. Or did you ignore that Cinder can't do that with her weapons or Arrows.
Her heat feats don't matter since her abilities do not nullify regen. Stop giving her a power she doesn't have.
Doesn't matter, she can't touch him. Not only is he an actual genius, strategically and tactically, he has body control, better skill, enhanced senses, after images, blinding light, etc. She will never land that hit.
First of all. Are you serious, or just being an asshole? Kars dodges strikes he can't see from awkward angles, he outpaces Joseph tactically and can counter trained fighters with shown and stated superhuman agility and martial arts. His senses are enhanced, he's better that every other Pillar Man who are all immortal lifetime warriors trained in as many fighting styles they could encounter during their lives.
This is, of course, ignoring how they implment their body control and enhanced senses in their fighting styles. Or their supreme intellect and strategic abilities. Kars wouldn't even need to fight Cinder, he'd outplay her near constantly because she isn't smart enough to keep up with his tactics.
You mean the regen superior to people who can be blown apart, and the fact she won't be able to disintigrate him because he has so many methods of avoiding her touch? After Images, Strategy, Acrobatics, Body Control. He wouldn't need to fight her in a straight out brawl, he's just gonna dance around her and never take damage while she exhausts herself and aura trying to keep up with him through his various tools of avoidance.
And the instant she's out of aura, he closes and ends her.
His enhanced senses and intelligence means he can tell her abilities are dangerous. Say her weapons are so hot they actually can disintigrate stone. He senses that and avoids fighting directly.
You assume that he would fight her directly. No, he wouldn't. He's smart enough to play around her strategically, working with his abilities and then moving in for the Kill when she's exhausted by his tactics. He does this several times, and only every fights when he absolutely has to. Why would he approach her when he doesn't need to?
He skirts around her, taunting her into chases and uses of her powers. If she lands a hit, he regens, because if a single limb is gone, he just grows it back. Not that he would even bother trying to get hit since he will avoid attacks entirely and doesn't bank on his regen unless he needs to.
Let alone his mind, which can calculate the precise amount of power, and the precise time, he would need to use to launch himself through a crevasse to avoid crushing a ******* flower. Why wouldn't he be able to use that mind to avoid her strikes?
Oh. Because that's "only above a martial artist in skill". Right?
On a more serious topic. If you can't be respectful, shut the hell up and leave the thread. You are being a massive dipshit in every response you've made to me while I've kept my composure and responded with respect to your points and arguments.
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First things first, I'll stop being disrespectful when you stop stroking Kars's pillar man **** and stop going for downplay.
You do realize each and every one of those things ignores that Kars doesn't have prior knowledge, lacks the enhanced senses your giving him on his profile, lacks martial arts on his page along with the fact that the vast majority of the shit Kars or any other pillar man would've encountered paled in comparison to today's martial arts because they were situated in a different continent from the one with 99% of the prominent martial arts Cinder is kind of required to have. At best Kars with the skill feats YOU gave is mostly weapon Mastery and some martial arts that utterly pale in comparison to Cinder's skill.
Your also arguing that he'll realize that Cinder's power comes from a source that's depletable, he doesn't have prior knowledge, and Cinder doesn't exactly make it known.
Cinder can very easily AoE Kars because, once again, he doesn't know Cinder can AoE out of herself because he doesn't have prior knowledge. And saying "'lolintelligence" isn't exactly an argument here.
I'll detail the skill feats your going to have to counter if you want to continue using the "Well Kars has really good body control" even though he never used it to my knowledge in the way your saying he does.
You do realize each and every one of those things ignores that Kars doesn't have prior knowledge, lacks the enhanced senses your giving him on his profile, lacks martial arts on his page along with the fact that the vast majority of the shit Kars or any other pillar man would've encountered paled in comparison to today's martial arts because they were situated in a different continent from the one with 99% of the prominent martial arts Cinder is kind of required to have. At best Kars with the skill feats YOU gave is mostly weapon Mastery and some martial arts that utterly pale in comparison to Cinder's skill.
Your also arguing that he'll realize that Cinder's power comes from a source that's depletable, he doesn't have prior knowledge, and Cinder doesn't exactly make it known.
Cinder can very easily AoE Kars because, once again, he doesn't know Cinder can AoE out of herself because he doesn't have prior knowledge. And saying "'lolintelligence" isn't exactly an argument here.
I'll detail the skill feats your going to have to counter if you want to continue using the "Well Kars has really good body control" even though he never used it to my knowledge in the way your saying he does.
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At the bottom of the skill chain is aura users as a whole. While every living being in RWBY technically has Aura, actually being able to utilize it for things such as defense, regen, and senses requires years of training and a high enough degree of martial skill (and yes you actually need martial skill for it) that only a small percentage of the population of the entire planet ever become skilled enough to utilize their aura. Of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage ever become skilled enough to manifest/control a Semblance (yes semblances are also skill-based). To reach this small percentage comes to the second half of the bottom of the chain: Almost every character worth their salt in RWBY has spent their entire life training in combat and can fight hordes of Grimm with little issue (Almost because Jaune exists). The entirety of the main cast of RWBY was initially enrolled at Beacon Academy, one of the most prestigious combat schools in the world, with almost everyone who was accepted there having been trained for almost their entire life to fight monsters, and each one that was not professionally trained requiring a skill display overseen by Ozpin, who has the composite skill of several thousand professional huntsmen that he accumulated over his immortal lifetime. Thats the baseline for skill in the verse.
Before the Beacon Arc Ruby had been personally trained by her uncle Qrow in combat and as a result she was noted as always excelling above her peers in combat training. At the start of the series Ruby was at a level of skill that even though she was two years away from being eligible to join Beacon she was admitted due her combat prowess impressing Ozpin, with him noting that she was already a master at wielding one of the most dangerous weapons ever designed. In combat Ruby is capable of taking on entire hordes of Grimm on her own and walking away without a scratch and utilizing the different functionalities of the Crescent Rose, such as the massive recoil from the rifle aspect of the weapon and the weapon's transformative capabilities, in tandem with each other and her Semblance in order to maintain an edge over her opponent. Basically every named character is around this level of skill in the early seasons. Now for Velvet. Velvet is able to perfectly and instantly mimic the exact moves that she observes other people use in combat as well as utilize multiple different fighting styles simultaneously, both armed and unarmed. Thanks to Anesidora, Velvet is also able to copy fighting styles that utilize weapons, and she is able to wield the weapons that she copies just as effectively as their original user. To date that we know of, Velvet is able to simultaneously utilize the fighting styles and weapons of Ruby Rose, Yang Xiao Long, Weiss Schnee, Blake Belladonna, Nora Valkyrie, Sun Wukong, Penny Polendina, Coco Adel, Peter Port, Reese Chloris, Fox Alistar, Vega Bleu, Yatsuhashi Daichi, Russel Thrush, Roy Stallion, Neptune Vasilias, Brawnz Ni, Bartholomew Oobleck, Flynt Coal, Edward Caspian, and Scarlet David. Of note, every person listed spent their entire lives training in combat and several of them are professional huntsmen with decades of combat experience.
Moving up the chain we have Nebula Violette, who not only outmatched Velvet in a 1v1 test of martial arts skill, but was directly stated to be more skilled than Velvet in combat despite Velvet mixing numerous fighting styles to try to throw her off in their fight. Above her is Pyrrha Nikos, the skill god of the Beacon Arc. Pyrrha is one of the most skilled students at Beacon Academy, having won every combat tournament she has entered since she was a pre-teen due to both her mastery of combat and mastery of her semblance, being able to apply it in combat completely undetected and having done so in almost every fight she's been in for over a decade, doing so with such skill and precision that she has lead many to believe she is untouchable and invincible as no one has been able to even land a blow on her in her combat career. Even without her semblance she has shown the ability to quickly and easily adapt to her combat situation and analyze her opponents while fighting and changing tactics to suit the situation she is in. She has shown extreme accuracy, being able to hit moving targets from hundreds of meters away and strike vital weak points on an opponent mid-combat both with and without the aid of her semblance. She is also highly skilled at using her weapon's multiple forms in combat, being able to switch between forms several times in rapid succession to both deliver rapid attacks and counter others simultaneously.
Then theres Mercury. Mercury is a veritable master of close combat, having spent his entire life training in pure martial combat to make up for his Semblance being stolen by his father. He is shown to be a very acrobatic and agile fighter who relies upon quickly overpowering his opponent with complex kicks that imply a near-mastery of martial arts that resemble Tae-Kwon-Do. He is also capable of a break-dancing style, similar to Capoeira, and makes use of Muay Thai as well. Despite his focus on kicks, Mercury also uses his hands to grapple, block or redirect enemy attacks. His experience and skill are aggressive and effective enough to drive even fighters of a high caliber, like Pyrrha, into a defensive position, with Word of God confirming that Mercury would defeat her if he fought her seriously. Due to his fighting style, Mercury relies on his swift and quick reflexes to counter and block his opponent's attacks as first demonstrated during his fight with Yang Xiao Long, altering the course of her punches and using his footwork to raise her fists and kick underneath or around her attacks. Despite the presumed awkwardness of his weapon's ranged capabilities he is a skilled marksman, able to shoot a phone out of a person's hand from a good distance away, and is proficient at using the many different forms of projectiles at his disposal to keep his opponents off balance. Mercury is also known to be observant, tactical, and analytical, able to notice and deduce the capabilities and limits of Pyrrha's Polarity Semblance after she uses it once during their brief fight, despite Pyrrha using it extremely subtly in combat and having spent her entire life honing her ability to hide her Semblance and its mechanics from her opponents and the general public.
Then there's the Ace Ops. For reference, Atlas Academy's vetting process is canonically more strict than Beacon's due to it being a military school on top of a Huntsman academy, so they only accept the best of the best. All of the members of the Ace Ops graduated top of their class from Atlas Academy, meaning that they are quite literally the best of the best of the best. Ruby not only outmatched Harriet Bree, but scales to the rest of her team in skill who also outmatched members of the Ace ops, Elm in particular being canonically the most skilled person out of all the ace ops, with Clover being the only member ranked above her in combat solely due to his semblance rather than outright skill, and Yang outmatched her in combat. Included in this group is also Winter, who spent her entire military career training to be the replacement host of the Winter Maiden and even without the Maiden Powers is considered the most skilled soldier in the Atlas Military.
Theres also Neo. Having been trained in the art of infiltration and assassination at Lady Browning’s Preparatory Academy For Girls, a covert school which trains some of the most elite female spies and assassins in the world, Neo is extraordinarily skilled in combat. Her fighting style is highly evasive, focusing on dodging, deflecting or maneuvering around her opponent's strikes until she has exhausted them, or until she is ready for a counterattack. She is very acrobatic and exceptionally skilled in hand-to-hand combat, relying on her agility to dodge and misdirect enemy movements and attacks, before retaliating with her own attacks resembling a mix of Bartitsu, Fencing, and Capoeira. Her skill is such that she casually defeated opponents such as Yang and Ruby early in the series and later on the entirety of Atlas Arc Team JNR and Oscar while toying with them the entire time, and by the end of the arc taking on both Ruby and Blake simultaneously and largely keeping them on the defensive. By word of God, Neo's skill is sufficient to defeat Mercury Black in a one on one fight.
Cinder in this key was not only able to put evenly match Neo in a 1v1 fight, but she beat Winter and Penny simultaneously while barely using her Maiden powers
Have your eyes bled yet?
Before the Beacon Arc Ruby had been personally trained by her uncle Qrow in combat and as a result she was noted as always excelling above her peers in combat training. At the start of the series Ruby was at a level of skill that even though she was two years away from being eligible to join Beacon she was admitted due her combat prowess impressing Ozpin, with him noting that she was already a master at wielding one of the most dangerous weapons ever designed. In combat Ruby is capable of taking on entire hordes of Grimm on her own and walking away without a scratch and utilizing the different functionalities of the Crescent Rose, such as the massive recoil from the rifle aspect of the weapon and the weapon's transformative capabilities, in tandem with each other and her Semblance in order to maintain an edge over her opponent. Basically every named character is around this level of skill in the early seasons. Now for Velvet. Velvet is able to perfectly and instantly mimic the exact moves that she observes other people use in combat as well as utilize multiple different fighting styles simultaneously, both armed and unarmed. Thanks to Anesidora, Velvet is also able to copy fighting styles that utilize weapons, and she is able to wield the weapons that she copies just as effectively as their original user. To date that we know of, Velvet is able to simultaneously utilize the fighting styles and weapons of Ruby Rose, Yang Xiao Long, Weiss Schnee, Blake Belladonna, Nora Valkyrie, Sun Wukong, Penny Polendina, Coco Adel, Peter Port, Reese Chloris, Fox Alistar, Vega Bleu, Yatsuhashi Daichi, Russel Thrush, Roy Stallion, Neptune Vasilias, Brawnz Ni, Bartholomew Oobleck, Flynt Coal, Edward Caspian, and Scarlet David. Of note, every person listed spent their entire lives training in combat and several of them are professional huntsmen with decades of combat experience.
Moving up the chain we have Nebula Violette, who not only outmatched Velvet in a 1v1 test of martial arts skill, but was directly stated to be more skilled than Velvet in combat despite Velvet mixing numerous fighting styles to try to throw her off in their fight. Above her is Pyrrha Nikos, the skill god of the Beacon Arc. Pyrrha is one of the most skilled students at Beacon Academy, having won every combat tournament she has entered since she was a pre-teen due to both her mastery of combat and mastery of her semblance, being able to apply it in combat completely undetected and having done so in almost every fight she's been in for over a decade, doing so with such skill and precision that she has lead many to believe she is untouchable and invincible as no one has been able to even land a blow on her in her combat career. Even without her semblance she has shown the ability to quickly and easily adapt to her combat situation and analyze her opponents while fighting and changing tactics to suit the situation she is in. She has shown extreme accuracy, being able to hit moving targets from hundreds of meters away and strike vital weak points on an opponent mid-combat both with and without the aid of her semblance. She is also highly skilled at using her weapon's multiple forms in combat, being able to switch between forms several times in rapid succession to both deliver rapid attacks and counter others simultaneously.
Then theres Mercury. Mercury is a veritable master of close combat, having spent his entire life training in pure martial combat to make up for his Semblance being stolen by his father. He is shown to be a very acrobatic and agile fighter who relies upon quickly overpowering his opponent with complex kicks that imply a near-mastery of martial arts that resemble Tae-Kwon-Do. He is also capable of a break-dancing style, similar to Capoeira, and makes use of Muay Thai as well. Despite his focus on kicks, Mercury also uses his hands to grapple, block or redirect enemy attacks. His experience and skill are aggressive and effective enough to drive even fighters of a high caliber, like Pyrrha, into a defensive position, with Word of God confirming that Mercury would defeat her if he fought her seriously. Due to his fighting style, Mercury relies on his swift and quick reflexes to counter and block his opponent's attacks as first demonstrated during his fight with Yang Xiao Long, altering the course of her punches and using his footwork to raise her fists and kick underneath or around her attacks. Despite the presumed awkwardness of his weapon's ranged capabilities he is a skilled marksman, able to shoot a phone out of a person's hand from a good distance away, and is proficient at using the many different forms of projectiles at his disposal to keep his opponents off balance. Mercury is also known to be observant, tactical, and analytical, able to notice and deduce the capabilities and limits of Pyrrha's Polarity Semblance after she uses it once during their brief fight, despite Pyrrha using it extremely subtly in combat and having spent her entire life honing her ability to hide her Semblance and its mechanics from her opponents and the general public.
Then there's the Ace Ops. For reference, Atlas Academy's vetting process is canonically more strict than Beacon's due to it being a military school on top of a Huntsman academy, so they only accept the best of the best. All of the members of the Ace Ops graduated top of their class from Atlas Academy, meaning that they are quite literally the best of the best of the best. Ruby not only outmatched Harriet Bree, but scales to the rest of her team in skill who also outmatched members of the Ace ops, Elm in particular being canonically the most skilled person out of all the ace ops, with Clover being the only member ranked above her in combat solely due to his semblance rather than outright skill, and Yang outmatched her in combat. Included in this group is also Winter, who spent her entire military career training to be the replacement host of the Winter Maiden and even without the Maiden Powers is considered the most skilled soldier in the Atlas Military.
Theres also Neo. Having been trained in the art of infiltration and assassination at Lady Browning’s Preparatory Academy For Girls, a covert school which trains some of the most elite female spies and assassins in the world, Neo is extraordinarily skilled in combat. Her fighting style is highly evasive, focusing on dodging, deflecting or maneuvering around her opponent's strikes until she has exhausted them, or until she is ready for a counterattack. She is very acrobatic and exceptionally skilled in hand-to-hand combat, relying on her agility to dodge and misdirect enemy movements and attacks, before retaliating with her own attacks resembling a mix of Bartitsu, Fencing, and Capoeira. Her skill is such that she casually defeated opponents such as Yang and Ruby early in the series and later on the entirety of Atlas Arc Team JNR and Oscar while toying with them the entire time, and by the end of the arc taking on both Ruby and Blake simultaneously and largely keeping them on the defensive. By word of God, Neo's skill is sufficient to defeat Mercury Black in a one on one fight.
Cinder in this key was not only able to put evenly match Neo in a 1v1 fight, but she beat Winter and Penny simultaneously while barely using her Maiden powers
Have your eyes bled yet?
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In order to kill Santana, you need to shred his body into a uniform pieces all 1cm2 or below, that's what is needed to kill Santana (According to Stroheim in the raws, though, there is that scan that says Santana's dust is even alive but we'll ignore that), if a piece above 1cm2 exists, he can live it, if 99% of his body got annihilated, but a 2cm2 piece exists, he'd come back eventually.
And that's Santana, Kars > Santana in every way.
Kars's high-mid is actually pretty decent. It's way above Straizo's few bodily chunks.
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I see, then can we CRT this onto the profiles so people aren't misled?
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If this was an essay, you'd get a A+ lol.
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You right, it actually should be? I recall doing a CRT for it awhile back, let me see if I can find it and if it was accepted.
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I'm neither addressing nor acknolwedging any arguement you have made until you've apologized for all of your shit comments and can actually be a respectful person.
Until then, you can **** right the hell off with any sort of treatment like this. I have neither the time nor patience to deal with your childish insults and baby rage.
Count my vote for Kars. If you wanna get mad about that, I gladly suggest you be an actually decent person and treat your opposition with any respect at all.
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Sorry for calling you out on your bullshit. Turns out that my tolorance for the wank your putting forward is little to none.
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Just want to address something here, Ruby was flat out shown and stated even in Volume 5 that she sucked at hand to hand combat, but she still has an aura, this isn’t that impressive in the grand scheme of things when even people who can’t fight hand to hand that well can still gain an aura.
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Also @KnightOfSunlight @DaReaperMan both of you calm the **** down right now, if you don’t I will report both of you to the RVR ok? Calm the hell down and act your age FFS.
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Remember when I said that the arguments were what the thread was supposed to be?
I was lying.
RandomGuy2345
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In all seriousness, both of you chill out.
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I was intending to. I pretty much improved my tone outside of just calling out the wank, which right now I have very little patience for, just because I'm being direct doesn't translate to a bad tone. Otherwise I guess Ant always has a bad tone.
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Income back and I see glass downplaying RWBY
Anyways cider still basically one shots with range spam as standard fighting range is however long the person with the longest range is and in this case it's cider so she range spams and kills Kars who has only at least large building level durability and no + in his durability
Anyways cider still basically one shots with range spam as standard fighting range is however long the person with the longest range is and in this case it's cider so she range spams and kills Kars who has only at least large building level durability and no + in his durability
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I'm not very convinced by Cinder's arguments currently. I'm leaning towards Kars.
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And by the way, I fully expect to be called out on my bullshit when it happens, just as I'll call others out on their bullshit, this means if I think someone is wanking or downplaying/throwing out fallacies, I will call them out on it. And I expect the same from others to me. Reap what you sow, it's why I'm not bothered by Knight basically going for the throat.
And considering I've put forward the statement of all the skill feats that this key scales to Cinder is actually 100% capable of beating someone with a more run and gun strategy like Knight is saying Kars will implement here without prior knowledge.
However the next thing to do is compare stamina, vague "high" and "very high" aren't good enough descriptors.
One thing I will say is that I was a bit wrong because it doesn't take a trained eye to see that something is really god damn hot because it'll start smoldering the air.
And considering I've put forward the statement of all the skill feats that this key scales to Cinder is actually 100% capable of beating someone with a more run and gun strategy like Knight is saying Kars will implement here without prior knowledge.
However the next thing to do is compare stamina, vague "high" and "very high" aren't good enough descriptors.
One thing I will say is that I was a bit wrong because it doesn't take a trained eye to see that something is really god damn hot because it'll start smoldering the air.
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Really considering unfollowing this thread.
It's become a toxic mess.
It's become a toxic mess.
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