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Kars VS Cinder (13-7-0)

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the official companion guidebook
"Cinder cradles her dying foe in her arms, hastening the inevitable by incinerating the body. Pyrrha's ashes are carried away by the wind."
WoG says that she turned Pyrrha to ash
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Spinoirr said:
the official companion guidebook
"Cinder cradles her dying foe in her arms, hastening the inevitable by incinerating the body. Pyrrha's ashes are carried away by the wind."
WoG says that she turned Pyrrha to ash
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Ok so say "ash" from now on, not vaporization, there's like, a full blown 1000x difference.
 
ShivaShakti said:
I don't believe this is applicable to Base Cinder? She is clearly utilizing maiden powers in this fight.
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Her eyes werent glowing when she did that, if her eyes had the glowing fire around them that is indicative of the maiden powers being used then you'd be correct but she was visibly not using them there, that was just her semblance
 
I feel like Mars might just take this under very specific conditions that can be easily met due to Cinder more recently using close combat weapons and being overwhelmed by people of comparable skill to herself, I am inclined to vote for Kars who I believe is more skilled than her.
 
Cinder fra

Also, I find it funny how no one who is voting for Kars addressed the whole skill dump reaper posted and just continued to fra train.

To be fair though, can anyone who voted Kars explain why Kars would still win even after everything was posted?
 
they don't want to and i don't even see any proof Kars can resist a 1215C heat

all I heard is explosion/lava/esidisi blood which doesn't even give numbers
adding to the fact that Kars has no heat resistance in his profiles but I'm willing to ignore that if they can give him feats surviving heat to that degree

my vote will not change until then
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
they don't want to and i don't even see any proof Kars can resist a 1215C heat

all I heard is explosion/lava/esidisi blood which doesn't even give numbers
adding to the fact that Kars has no heat resistance in his profiles but I'm willing to ignore that if they can give him feats surviving heat to that degree

my vote will not change until then
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Esidisi, who should be comparable to Kars, can resist his own blood boiling at 500 C. Not saying that it means he'd survive 1215 C though just giving a number and source. Also gotta love that Esidisi doesn't have heat resistance on his profile either.
 
Just letting you guys know that cinder apparently has a 9 ton feat literally in the frist episode and this is cinder who Masively upscales from that 🗿
 
tbh it should be updated so does kars regeneration + heat resistance according to the scans they posted earlier. cause right now the regeneration kars had is scaled to straizo who pales in comparison to pillar men. well gotta wait for jojolion revision to be over first tho
 
TheGreatJedi13 said:
tbh it should be updated so does kars regeneration + heat resistance according to the scans they posted earlier. cause right now the regeneration kars had is scaled to straizo who pales in comparison to pillar men. well gotta wait for jojolion revision to be over first tho
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Currently, there's a thread to upgrade the Pillar Men's Regen to "possibly Mid-High" cuz there was a scan that said even the dust of Santana's body was alive and he could potentially regen from that given time. Santana's the weakest of the pillar men so logically they would all scale with him.

Also yeah, heat resistance should probably be added to their profiles
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Currently, there's a thread to upgrade the Pillar Men's Regen to "possibly Mid-High" cuz there was a scan that said even the dust of Santana's body was alive and he could potentially regen from that given time. Santana's the weakest of the pillar men so logically they would all scale with him.

Also yeah, heat resistance should probably be added to their profiles
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I'll check it out im more for upgrading jojo tbh
 
You guys do know this will become outdated if cinders base beacon arc self is upgraded to 9 tons of tnt right?
 
Feat happens here

This is volume 1 Ruby so she is 1.57 m

1.57 / 191 = .00821989528 m/px

.00821989528 x 97 = .79732984293 m / 2 = .39866492146 m

.00821989528 x 1214 = 9.97895287958 m

Volume of a cylinder = πr^2h

= π (.39866492146)^2 (9.97895287958)

= 4.98 m^3 = 4980000 cm^3

Since its a pillar made of broken up pieces of rubble, we'll assume its about half that, or 2490000 cm^3

Borrowing math from [https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mr._Bambu/General_Calc:_Incineration_of_a_Building this blog] as Cinder by WoG incinerates material rather than vaporizing it:

Volume of Stone = 2.49 m^3

Density of Concrete = 2400 kg/m^3

Mass of Pillar = 5976 kg

Melting Point of Concrete = 1450 C

Typical Temperature = 16 C (obviously varies a lot but generally should be close to this value)

Specific Heat of Concrete = 880 J/(kg*K)

Specific Heat Energy = 7541233920 Joules, 1.80 Tons of TNT, '''Building level+'''

Now to account for fusion. The heat of fusion for concrete is 5700kJ/kg. So... simple math.

Heat of Fusion Energy = 34063200000 Joules, 8.14 Tons of TNT, '''Large Building level+'''

Total Energy = 7541233920 + 34063200000 = 41604433920 Joules, 9.94 Tons of TNT, '''Large Building level+'''

High 8-C+ for base Cinder and a casual Class 10 lifting strength feat for Glynda, I can't post images on my phone but this is the calc
 
If that’s a valid calc you should get this checked through with the calc members first.

but then again Kars does have a CRT getting his regen buffed to Mid High as we speak so idk if this AP buff really changes anything in this fight.
 
Remember this is vol 1 base cinder and this fight is useing vol 8 base cinder who Masively upscales from that feat above, if it does get accepted this match will become basically outdated
 
Theglassman12 said:
If that’s a valid calc you should get this checked through with the calc members first.
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Going to put it in a blog well when I figure out how to put images upload images on the wiki without it loading forever like what happened before some times
 
If his Regen will be too much for her then it's a stomp because she can't kill him and loeses because his Regen is too much for her because she can't do anything to win at that point
 
And before anyone even thinks about adding this, Kars now has regen Cinder cant get through and he stomps on the back of it. IE this can't be added and I will have it removed for the above reason if it for some reason does get added.
 
DaReaperMan said:
And before anyone even thinks about adding this, Kars now has regen Cinder cant get through and he stomps on the back of it. IE this can't be added and I will have it removed for the above reason if it for some reason does get added.
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Depends. Assuming you go with a high end of dust reassembly, vaporization is still > powder/dust.

But that's assuming that the past 200 posts claiming she can vape were actually true, which I'm hoping it was and I wasn't bullshitted.

Vapor>dust>ash.
 
Chariot190 said:
Depends. Assuming you go with a high end of dust reassembly, vaporization is still > powder/dust.

But that's assuming that the past 200 posts claiming she can vape were actually true, which I'm hoping it was and I wasn't bullshitted.

Vapor>dust>ash.
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I've only found/seen proof of Ash. Which Kars got upgraded into.
 
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