Kars VS Cinder (13-7-0)

[Knifeman29]

Both are High 8-C
Atlas Cinder
Speed is equal
Fight takes place on Mantle​

Kars: Chariot190, M3X, TyranoDoom30, Blue, TheGunsFinalWrath, TuanVictor, KnightofSunlight, Maverick_Zero_X, emirp_sumit_po, StrymULTRA, Sonicflare9, NotoriousSoda, Bernkastelll M3X, M3X, D4C

Cinder: Spinoirr, DaReaperMan, ZillerBucko, TheGreatJedi13, Nierre, RandomGuy2345, SemiRaedi

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[TyranoDoom30]

Kars isn't Low 7-B

 

[Knifeman29]

Kars isn't Low 7-B

i sent the thread early on accident. it should be fixed now

 

[Shmooply]

the links to the profiles are in the images by the way

 

[Spinoirr]

honestly, can Kars even do anything to avoid Cinder just range spamming him to death? her magic doesnt drain aura

he doesn't have flight or any ranged attacks in this key

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

I mean does Cinder have a way to kill Kars? He has High-Mid regen. He's an unknown amount above baseline/2 tons and Cinder, given the plus in her AP, should be at least 6.5 tons. That's about a 3.25x difference. Idk if that's enough to neg regen but if it isn't I don't really see a way for her to take him out for good unless she has some way to incap him.

 

[Chariot190]

honestly, can Kars even do anything to avoid Cinder just range spamming him to death?

Regen she can't overcome in her high 8-C key and stamina that's beyond those who are equal to dudes who can do things like go full out-put before training for days at a time, run 100s of kms with one breath and more.

He might simply just Outlast her given her stamina is simply "high" and he ain't actually being killed.

 

[Chariot190]

Also Kars bone blade is >>>> his own AP/Dura, he can bisect those comparable to him with it. It's a pretty safe trump card.

 

[Spinoirr]

Remember he had to make a air pocket to block out the heat in his evolved form, meaning heat hot as lava can severely damaged him even in his ultimate form if he didn't evolve In the lava and the narator even confirmed that if kars had stayed in the lava he would have died

Meaning kars can be killed with enough concentrated heat
so cinder can just blast him with her heat that is hotter than lava and kill him

 

[Chariot190]

Remember he had to make a air pocket to block out the heat in his evolved form, meaning heat hot as lava can severely damaged him even in his ultimate form if he didn't evolve In the lava

Meaning kars can be killed with enough concentrated heat
so cinder can just blast him with her heat that is hotter than lava and kill him

He also survived a several hundred meter fuel explosion seconds before that and scales to esidisi who literally makes his blood thousands of degrees and can eat dynamite. That also still wouldn't kill him unless he stood there and took it for a solid few minutes.
Don't be a rat now, you're arguing shit that's tantamount to saying Cinder could beat Frieza Saga Goku because he got burned by lava, shit ain't gonna work.

 

[Spinoirr]

Heat resistance is needed to live heat attacks, duh

Fire and other heat attacks on the wiki have been agreed to ingore durability just like in Endeavors fire does

 

[Chariot190]

Yeah and you know how hot such an explosion is? Or acdc's blood?

It's why I brought it up, he has feats that pale basic ass lava. Using one of the holy Trinity of "authors don't know shit", alongside the sun, fall damage and sometimes bullets is an awful argument when within five seconds of that he whips out multiple feats above that.
He also scales above dudes who can tank Magicians red (can vaporize rock, steel and more at a whim), he scales above fellow pillar men who willingly make their heat extreme, and that lava shit still would've took whole minutes to actually lethally hurt him, obviously he's not gonna sit here in a fight.

Argument is bad, try again.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Heat resistance is needed to live heat attacks, duh

don't heat attacks have AP values tho?

 

[Chariot190]

They do yeah, not that it matters, Ultimate Kars has numerous heat res feats and scaling that put him above paltry lava to where taking it seriously is ludicrous.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Didn't heat-based ap shit get ****-blocked a while ago?

Anyways, I highly doubt Cinders flames are gonna do jack shit to Kars. What's her wincon, besides that?

 

[DaReaperMan]

ACDC's blood is like, only 900 degrees farenheight because its compared to volcanos. Considering cinder's fire can instantly reduce marble to a liquid, can flash-vaporize people as durable as herself, and can bypass the heat resistance of Aura forcefields which can no-sell swimming in active lava. AKA it's above Kars's anything.

 

[DaReaperMan]

They do yeah, not that it matters, Ultimate Kars has numerous heat res feats and scaling that put him above paltry lava to where taking it seriously is ludicrous.

Both are High 8-C

What Ultimate Kars? I don't know what that is.

 

[Chariot190]

What Ultimate Kars? I don't know what that is.

Oh I know it's base Kars in the match, I'm explaining why Ult Kars being damaged by lava and being taken seriously despite numerous feats even in the same chapter imply otherwise.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I'm gonna pretend I knew it was base kars

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

yare yare

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh I know it's base Kars in the match, I'm explaining why Ult Kars being damaged by lava and being taken seriously despite numerous feats even in the same chapter imply otherwise.

Then add it to the profile cause I don't see any resistance on Kars's profile.

 

[Spinoirr]

ACDC's blood is like, only 900 degrees farenheight because its compared to volcanos. Considering cinder's fire can instantly reduce marble to a liquid, can flash-vaporize people as durable as herself, and can bypass the heat resistance of Aura forcefields which can no-sell swimming in active lava. AKA it's above Kars's anything.

Also doesn't penny live the heat of re-entry and that's hotter then lava

 

[Spinoirr]

also since this is Atlas arc Cinder, she's not just 'at least 3.25x stronger', Atlas Arc Cinder's scaling chain is:

Post Beacon Weiss (6.9 tons) < Queen Lancer (Undamaged by 6.9 tons) < Arma Gigas (Stomped Queen Lancer) < Vernal (Oneshot Arma Gigas) = Post-Haven RWBY <<< Ace Ops (Extremely casually stomped Post-Haven Team RWBY and JNPR) < Penny Poldendina < Atlas Arc Cinder

 

[DaReaperMan]

Mind you, the difference with Maiden Powers is even more ridiculous.

 

[Chariot190]

Then add it to the profile cause I don't see any resistance on Kars's profile.

Why would we? Heat resistance is fake as shit and extremely misleading, it's such a nothing power it's astounding, I wouldn't add it unless it was like, nigh invulnerability to heat.

 

[Spinoirr]

Anyways, I highly doubt Cinders flames are gonna do jack shit to Kars. What's her wincon, besides that?

Cinder's heat-attacks outstrip anything Kars has feats of resisting so

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

I should probs compile a Pdf-file "Respect Kars" later on once I'm done with Jotaro's
h e n e e d s some r e s p e c t too

 

[DaReaperMan]

Why would we? Heat resistance is fake as shit and extremely misleading, it's such a nothing power it's astounding, I wouldn't add it unless it was like, nigh invulnerability to heat.

I'm hearing excuses. Kars has no resistance to Heat in any key on his profile. he gets vaporised. end of story.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Voting Kars via way better regen and stamina, as well as for his intelligence. High Vs Extraordinary Genius, considered genius by a race of Extraordinary Genius beings. It's more likely that Kars will just use his body control to enter inside her (NO, NOT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING) or absorb her.

 

[Chariot190]

Cinder's heat-attacks outstrip anything Kars has feats of resisting so

Ignoring his ass is above any human innately and there's humans who've withstood heat that can flash vaporize steel and concrete.

You're overblowing the **** outta this, and acting like he's just gonna stand there at that and take it.

I'm hearing excuses. Kars has no resistance to Heat in any key on his profile. he gets vaporised. end of story.

Reaper cut it the **** out, an excuse? Sorry I don't feel like entering the realm of NLF bullshit and adding powers the moment anything possibly qualifies for the lowest possible extreme for something.

 

[TyranoDoom30]

use his body control to enter inside her (NO, NOT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING)

Sus


Anyway, Kars FRA

 

[ZillertheBucko]

can someone explain what the heat argument even is rn

 

[Spinoirr]

You can't scale to others heat residence, you need to show resistance yourself, otherwise everyone in mha would have heat resistance and that's just stupid

 

[TheGunsFinalWrath]

Voting Kars via way better regen and stamina, as well as for his intelligence. High Vs Extraordinary Genius, considered genius by a race of Extraordinary Genius beings. It's more likely that Kars will just use his body control to enter inside her (NO, NOT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING) or absorb her.

There's also his experience. Like dude's old af, has experienced many things (Well he has been living as a stone for a long ass time, but he comes from a special race as well like you said)
Kars also isnt a sitting duck too, like others think or go with this said assumption

 

[ZillertheBucko]

well you can scale through similar physiology and stuff, I would assume?

 

[M3X_2.0]

There's also his experience. Like dude's old af, has experienced many things (Well he has been living as a stone, but he comes from a special race as well like you said)
Kars also isnt a sitting duck too, like others think or go with this said assumption

Yeah people think Kars would stand there without doing a move. Like **** off, Kars will likely use his solar flare move and try to stab her, or simply use his body control like I said. Fire manip aint working here like they are saying

 

[ZillertheBucko]

well you can scale through similar physiology and stuff, I would assume?

especially since it's implied that the pillar men chose their specialties

 

[Chariot190]

You can't scale to others heat residence, you need to show resistance yourself, otherwise everyone in mha would have heat resistance and that's just stupid

Oh yes you can, when you have the qualities and moreover surpass all living organisms on the planet collectively and simultaneously in every aspect, yes, you can.

Also as M3X says, he has a move that can bisect and dismember those 3x above baseline with zero resistance.

 

[Rikimarox2]

use his body control to enter inside her (NO, NOT WHAT YOU'RE THINKING)

Great, now that image is engraved into my mind. What a terrible day to have eyes.

Anyways, even excluding the heat argument shit, isn't he just... more skilled and much more intelligent? Not to mention, he has a hefty lifting strength advantage (Class K vs M), so the moment he grabs her, its over.

 

[M3X_2.0]

so the moment he grabs her, its over.

Grabs her and enter inside her, right?