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Ultimate Kars VS Fall Maiden Cinder (JOJO VS RWBY FINALE!)

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Aura yes but he wouldnt be able to produce an aura nearly powerful enough to protect himself from Cinder
 
How exactly would he sense it? Even if he targeted it Hamon likely wouldnt work on it and he's not strong enough to damage it
 
Why would his hamon not work on her arm? It's 5500c. Has it resisted that? Can it resist the hamon traveling through the arm and into her body itself?
 
Because its Grimm, not only is it not technically alive but theyre not biological and are unable to conduct things like aura due to lacking a soul, Hamon wouldnt conduct through it.

Also Cinder's forcefields would protect her from Kars getting close enough to touch her
 
I guess hamon can't conduct through metal since it doesn't have a soul, right?

It doesn't matter if it's biological or not, hamon can conduct itself through many materials at varying efficiency. This is for normal hamon masters. Kars likely bruteforces his way through the lack of conductivity with his sheer amount of potency.

I have a way for him to get past her forcefield.
 
>Bruteforces his way through the lack of conductivity with his sheer amount of potency

Him being 72x weaker kinda prevents that

Also please show me where hamon has conducted through anything even remotely similar to something Grimm
 
What would you compare Grimm to? What are they made up of? "Soulless" is not an answer, because metal also doesn't have a soul yet hamon conducts through it fine.
 
Yeah but metal is an inherently conductive material. Grimm have no biological matter and dissipate into smoke when they die.
 
Just organisms. They dissipate on death if that helps. They don't need to eat, sleep, etc... They're not like normal organisms, but they act very similar.
 
Theyre very much different from normal organisms, theyre formed from whatever black matter is in Salem's domain
 
Me and Weekly both agree that Kars has a way to score an OHKO in terms of his hamon. It bypasses her aura and it's already been stated to be comparable to the surface of the sun. If she doesn't burn alive on contact, it's going to travel into her and hax her anyways.

So if that's the case, Kars can win. He just has two problems:

  1. 1. Cinder has ranged attacks via her elemental weaponry and manipulation
This seems like a problem at first, but it really isn't. He can resist the electricity she calls down upon him by quickly adapting and incorporating the properties of an electric eel, an animal in nature that can already resist their own generated electrical currents. Keep in mind, he doesn't just share their property (upscaled to human levels), by completely exceeds them in it, making it very unlikely that he will ever be harmed by a silly lightning bolt.

Her ice manipulation? Kars either breaks out with his bone blade pretty easily, or just begins generating even a tiny amount of hamon, causing it to instantly evaporate the ice on contact.

Her signature fire manipulation? Fire inherently loses heat once it becomes projected at a distance (we haven't seen her fire melt any portion of the building in her first fight against Ruby), and coupled with Kars already have learning to adapt to lava, he should be okay against her granite melting fires once she gains her powers. Does not sound like a real issue.

Not to mention an explicit ability of his bone blades is literally turning invisible/blinding your opponent and getting away. Granted that was his clone, but the effect was still achieved via the fake bone-blade.

  1. 2. Cinder has her personal forcefields
Despite Weekly not liking to admit this, Cinder does not have her forcefields up 24/7. Most of them she must raise her hand to activate it. Even the bubble forcefield she uses in her fight against Raven has had scenes where it completely dissappears when she goes to prepare an attack.

So it's exploitable. How does Kars reasonably exploit it?

Easy, he needs to plant another organism in hiding, have it grow at its exponential rate, and evolve into a clone of Kars. It doesn't need to be him, just look like him. He has used clones/disguised others as himself in his fight against Lisa Lisa, very plausible for him to do it here.

Cinder proceeds to destroy the clone entirely, thinks the fight is over.

Little does she know, Kars has already burrowed himself into the ground. A hand carrying hamon proceeds to strike underneath her and grab her ankle, forcing her to absorb it. On contact she should be severely burnt anyway, but it should further lock her there via the mindhax/body manipulation hax associated with it, forcing her to further absorb more and more until she dies.
 
1. Without feats you cannot argue that he will be able to resist lightning 72x stronger than himself. Her ice can hold High 7-C characters so no he will not be able to break out of it easily. Her fire is also 72x stronger than Kars' durability, resisting heat =/= being more durable especially seeing as normal lava is only 9-B via heat.

2. Yes she does have passive forcefields, Amber who is far, FAR less experienced than Cinder and who Cinder has all the powers of is able to have them up passively. She does NOT need to move her hand to activate it, and she was trading blows with Raven while her bubble forcefield was up. Its not at all exploitable.
 
@Dragon That wouldnt make it High 7-C, eels are tier 10 at best, they can produce a max of 860 watts for two seconds, or 430 joules
 
1. She called the lighting down from the sky IIRC. It's not 72x stronger than normal, only looks that way because electricity in RWBY still stuns those with or without aura. It doesn't matter since he can evolve himself as close to immunity to electricity as he can get. You're also assuming he does not dodge it at all which is very possible for him to do over extended periods of time.

The force of her fire, maybe, the pure heat only has a feat of melting granite, which is not enough to melt through Kars's fireproof suit. Flamethrowers also lose force from a distance, so Kars running away and evading will help him out a lot. If push comes to shove, he'll probably burrow himself inside a crack in the ground and just make her think he left entirely.

2. I'll provide a link showing all the times it drops when I can get on a better device.
 
@Gargoyle are you implying Cinder walks up and punches him? He can dodge and evade her sheer AP, it's her attacks and manipulation that is cause for concern.
 
1. Her lightning scales to her AP, its High 7-C. eels produce 430 watts per second, thats 430 joules, even if he's hundreds of times stronger thats only a resistance to 9-B electricity. Even if Cinder used natural lightning He wouldnt be able to resist it.

She doesnt need to melt it when she can destroy it instantly if he tries to tank her fire

Cinder has the enhanced senses that allow her to sense threats nearby, he's not tricking her into thinking he left.
 
Can I ask why again she scales to the storm? How was it created?

Lisa Lisa had a life-detector property in her scarf. It was completely unable to sense him before he stabbed her through the chest, suggesting he bypassed it.
 
Because it was created with Raven's magic, the same magic she uses for all of her powers. Amber also created a storm in her fight
 
Because 1. We dont use environmental destruction here anymore and 2. because it was created with her magic which she used in all of her Maiden powers, and she uses ranged attacks and melee interchangeably. There's no reason for it to not scale. Trust me when i say youre not the first person who has asked that, there have been i think three massive threads now arguing that.
 
This is our last JoJo vs RWBY debate probably for a while, so I'm busting out all the questions.

Why would that not be High 7-C enviornmental destruction? Why is it scaled 1-1 with her AP? It's not like All Might punching and creating a storm (which we can calculate the energy required) she did it vaguely through magic.

It should be like Funny Valentine, no?
 
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