GodlyCharmander
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KingTempest and his difficulty to read anything past the thing that fits his narrative. Brilliant.
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Kage upgrade AP to Country level
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WrongIdea21
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Itcs not even one of Deidara's best jutsu, even to fight Gaara he needs a bigger one.
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I disagree about the Kage being country level. I also disagree about them being comparable to bijuus. Madara's Perfect Susanoo was declared comparable to bijuus, and we clearly saw the power difference between Susanoo and the Kages.
Tsunade broke Madara's "phase 1" Susanoo, it's the one that's just a few ribs. And the Susanoo was hit 3x until she broke him. The Susanoo who resisted Tenpechii was a susanoo in another phase, he already had arms and head. There is a difference between these two phases. When Madara put legs on Susanoo, we saw Tsunade slashing and just knocks him to the ground, but he doesn't cause damage like before.
One of them is enough to be comparable to a Kage, we saw that Tsunade, although it hit, didn't cause damage to them, the Raikage also didn't cause damage, nor the others, at most the Onooki is able to easily beat them thanks to his Jinton . Saying that the Kage have the level to fight the bijuu is the same as saying that a Madara clone with Susanoo is equivalent to a bijuu...
Tsunade broke Madara's "phase 1" Susanoo, it's the one that's just a few ribs. And the Susanoo was hit 3x until she broke him. The Susanoo who resisted Tenpechii was a susanoo in another phase, he already had arms and head. There is a difference between these two phases. When Madara put legs on Susanoo, we saw Tsunade slashing and just knocks him to the ground, but he doesn't cause damage like before.
One of them is enough to be comparable to a Kage, we saw that Tsunade, although it hit, didn't cause damage to them, the Raikage also didn't cause damage, nor the others, at most the Onooki is able to easily beat them thanks to his Jinton . Saying that the Kage have the level to fight the bijuu is the same as saying that a Madara clone with Susanoo is equivalent to a bijuu...
GodlyCharmander
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Also, page 142, then page 164
Nothing implies that first explosion took the Bijuu out, Tobi even implied to have done something afterwards, which Deidara doesn't refute.
WrongIdea21
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Also Agree with this
GodlyCharmander
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That is just ridiculous, his Perfect Susano'o tanked a 345 Teratons Attack with no issues, which massively outscales any Bijuu. And it has been declared multiple times that Akatsuki Members are capable of defeating Bijuu's.
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Before i start, what the actual **** are you talking about? You said
And you bring up scaling or bias. I personally agree that they should scale to the Bijuu, and I never said otherwise, but if I see a faulty argument I will counter it.
Watch who you talk to and how you talk to them. I never disagreed with your point.
He one shot a bijuu and said it was weak. But noooo, we need to scale them to bijuu so nothing else matters.
If it's weaker without a host, then what does that mean?
How the **** is me not agreeing with you being ignorant or bias?
Who do you think you are?
So why are they weaker?
Weaker ≠ intelligence?
When Obito absorbed the Juubi he became stronger than it because he could focus his power. Specifically cause of intelligence and control of power, making him stronger.
And you said it doesn't change anything about the Bijuu's durability and raw power? When the **** did I say that? All I said was that your example was faulty.
Go make a separate CRT then since you're that pissed off they don't scale. Angry ass
Watch how you talk to me. You're talking crazy because I sent 6 pages of manga? **** out my face with that.
He flat out says that his explosion did the heavy lifting and that the credit for the KO was his alone. What the hell are you talking about.
No way you just turned red because someone disagreed with you. What type of BS is that? All I did was send the scans that said there was no fight. You said he struggled against Gaara but not Isobu, then I said Isobu wasn't even fighting him, and you pull out sentences of bullshit getting angry cause I don't agree.
And I said that Isobu didn't even try to fight him.
And you bring up scaling or bias. I personally agree that they should scale to the Bijuu, and I never said otherwise, but if I see a faulty argument I will counter it.
Watch who you talk to and how you talk to them. I never disagreed with your point.
So why aren't they island level right now since scaling's that easy?
He one shot a bijuu and said it was weak. But noooo, we need to scale them to bijuu so nothing else matters.
If it's weaker without a host, then what does that mean?
You just got me heated.
How the **** is me not agreeing with you being ignorant or bias?
Who do you think you are?
So why are they weaker?
Weaker ≠ intelligence?
When Obito absorbed the Juubi he became stronger than it because he could focus his power. Specifically cause of intelligence and control of power, making him stronger.
And you said it doesn't change anything about the Bijuu's durability and raw power? When the **** did I say that? All I said was that your example was faulty.
Go make a separate CRT then since you're that pissed off they don't scale. Angry ass
GodlyCharmander has attitude whenever someone disagrees.
Watch how you talk to me. You're talking crazy because I sent 6 pages of manga? **** out my face with that.
Don't bold shit against me, I can read.
He flat out says that his explosion did the heavy lifting and that the credit for the KO was his alone. What the hell are you talking about.
No way you just turned red because someone disagreed with you. What type of BS is that? All I did was send the scans that said there was no fight. You said he struggled against Gaara but not Isobu, then I said Isobu wasn't even fighting him, and you pull out sentences of bullshit getting angry cause I don't agree.
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The bijuus clearly suffered a reboot during the war, Kakashi and Guy at most were able to deal with the Jinchuuriki in their incomplete form, but they didn't stand a chance against their bijuu form. Guy with the 7th gate easily defeats an Akatsuki (Kisame), but has no ability to defeat a Bijuu.
And we saw the performance of the 5 Kage against Madara, they fought a clone and had to work together to get it sealed, and when they faced more clones with Susanoo, they were massacred, we saw clearly that only Onooki has the ability to beat them. Clones with Susanoo, clearly do not have the same level as a bijuu. The bijuus would not be the first characters to suffer a reboot in the war. Take Tsunade for example, she healed a single wound with Byakugō in the classic and was without the seal, and we saw that her performance in the war with this same technique was far superior.
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Chill man, Please
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You can’t actually prove that Seventh Gate Guy can’t defeat a Bijuu, considering that it was Sixth Gate Guy that was fighting the jinchūriki.
Also Kisame is directly stated to only be jinchūriki level in his strongest form so-
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GodlyCharmander
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He did defeat Three-Tails with relative ease, never implied a fight happened whatsoever, as this is not relevant for the scaling.
Not the place to try to present some sort of authority, I know who you are, I just don't give two *****. Focus on the argument instead.
Oh yeah, because there's no wrong scaling in VSBW. Let's pretend the Yonkou weren't Large Mountain Level a while ago, lmfao.
It was "weaker" in a general sense for lack of Intelligence, it was the direct reasoning provided by Deidara.
It's durability has no reason to change, therefore, the point is irrelevant.
Take a chill pill, Tempy.
You claimed the Bijuu was somehow literally weaker for lacking a host, as if his Durability and Raw Power would have changed because he could control it.
Read the scans you sent.
"Weaker" does not have a single meaning, try again.
Obito got stronger after absorbing something. DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING!!!
I scaled Deidara to the Bijuu because he defeated it, what else would be relevant for my point other than the Durability, Tempy the Angry?
Hypocrite much?
You're at least thrice as "angry" as I supposedly was, and all I did was theorize you were ignorant about my point, or biased.
I scale Deidara to the Bijuu.
You bring up points that are either contrived or irrelevant, what should I think?
You're no authority to say that with a reply like that. You brought up a completely irrelevant attempt at refutation.
Oh really? Can you?
He never stated anything about that one explosion, he just said the clay did the heavy lifting.
Still, something happened offscreen as implied by Tobi.
Oh that's ironic, ain't it?
It's totally unrelated to my point.
Deidara's explosions scales above the Bijuu regardless of a fight, or the lack of it.
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Where was it said that Kisame has the same power as a Jinchuuriki?
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GodlyCharmander
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Thus, implying Deidara can't tank his own explosions.
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No, the correct way to say it is "Eat a bag of dicks"
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“putting out jinchūriki-like power…”
And this is specifically Fused Kisame, which is consistent with his fight with V2 B.
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This is clearly a reference to his chakra amount. In addition to the fact that Samehada is also mentioned as an important factor, this does not make he tier 6 equal to bijuus.
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The correct way is to not encouage behavior like that.
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Also Charmander, the most biased person in this whole thread is me, I ****** hate Naruto.
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The scan blatantly says power, not chakra amount, and literally nobody said he’s equal to a Bijuu. Being equal to a jinchūriki =/= equal to a Bijuu.
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If one is going to behave like that they need to do it with some class or watch Bob Ross/listen to peaceful music. The only reason I didn't post some Bob Ross is because Tempest already unfollowed. I would rather joke around then waste my time telling someone who isn't even here anymore to calm down.
WrongIdea21
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Wondering the Taste of that.
GodlyCharmander
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"You have a human who is able to wield every bit as much power as a Jinchuriki... Effectively a Bijuu without a Tail"
No, it's clearly in reference to his power. Kisame is Jinchuriki Level.
also,
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Maybe i missed something, but I think this thread is exclusively for upgrading Kages, and there are arguments that even Akatsukis should escalate to bijuu.
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Maybe leave the joking to a fun and games thread, not a CRT?
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Someone has to keep the mood light for the ones you get extremely serious
GodlyCharmander
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I would make a pun about being biased but it would probably hurt the universe!
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You made the claim that Seventh Gate Guy can’t defeat a Bijuu even though he defeated Kisame, I was explaining why Kisame is not Bijuu level (and why it doesn’t prevent Seventh Gate Guy from being that strong)
No, not really. It’s unnecessary and unhelpful at best, derailing at worst.
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Okay. I'm sorry for misinterpreted your message.
GodlyCharmander
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Yeah, no need to. I would argue Tempest was biased too but he probably had something clouding his mind.
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this is ridiculous, 3 tails has island level durability, even if he doesn't fight doesn't make his durability weakHe did defeat Three-Tails with relative ease, never implied a fight happened whatsoever, as this is not relevant for the scaling.
Not the place to try to present some sort of authority, I know who you are, I just don't give two *****. Focus on the argument instead.
Oh yeah, because there's no wrong scaling in VSBW. Let's pretend the Yonkou weren't Large Mountain Level a while ago, lmfao.
It was "weaker" in a general sense for lack of Intelligence, it was the direct reasoning provided by Deidara.
It's durability has no reason to change, therefore, the point is irrelevant.
Take a chill pill, Tempy.
You claimed the Bijuu was somehow literally weaker for lacking a host, as if his Durability and Raw Power would have changed because he could control it.
Read the scans you sent.
"Weaker" does not have a single meaning, try again.
Obito got stronger after absorbing something. DIDN'T SEE THAT ONE COMING!!!
I scaled Deidara to the Bijuu because he defeated it, what else would be relevant for my point other than the Durability, Tempy the Angry?
Hypocrite much?
You're at least thrice as "angry" as I supposedly was, and all I did was theorize you were ignorant about my point, or biased.
I scale Deidara to the Bijuu.
You bring up points that are either contrived or irrelevant, what should I think?
You're no authority to say that with a reply like that. You brought up a completely irrelevant attempt at refutation.
Oh really? Can you?
He never stated anything about that one explosion, he just said the clay did the heavy lifting.
Still, something happened offscreen as implied by Tobi.
Oh that's ironic, ain't it?
It's totally unrelated to my point.
Deidara's explosions scales above the Bijuu regardless of a fight, or the lack of it.
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but the durability is still island level. also tail 2, they beat tail 2, where did hidan get that biju wound?
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that's ridiculous, he's never even been hit by an explosion and he won't even try to taste the bomb himself
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This thread has spiralled out of control a bit and devolved into insults on the previous page.
Are there any objections to this thread being closed?
Are there any objections to this thread being closed?
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Not from me
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Because nothing really new has been brought up, and this thread has gotten so bad, I'll be closing it then.
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