The KCM Minato upgrade y'all knew was coming

[Ar1216789]

9 months. This is getting out of hand

 

[LordTracer]

I mean, I'm inclined to give an agreement out of pity at this point

That’s the difference between us, my friend, I feel no such pity

In this case Tracer had a less enthusiastic response in the first place

My thoughts really haven’t changed. Making Minato 98.35 Teratons, possibly 100 Teratons is splitting hairs to such a degree that I don’t see the point in changing anything. Minato currently scales to roughly 1/2 of where Obito scales and is only ~1.02x weaker than KSM Naruto, and none of the feats provided make me think that’s such an egregious gap that it’d warrant this miniscule upgrade that does nothing but put a bigger tier on Minato’s profile (in fact, I’d say the scans imply Minato is comparable, but slightly weaker than KSM Nard, which is exactly where his current scaling places him).

So mark me as disagree.

 

[Samlex1234]

Back to square zero

 

[Damage3245]

I believe I've already voted on here, but I'll reiterate my disagree too.

If nothing changes regarding this in the next couple days then I think it's about time to close this as being rejected.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

That’s the difference between us, my friend, I feel no such pity

My thoughts really haven’t changed. Making Minato 98.35 Teratons, possibly 100 Teratons is splitting hairs to such a degree that I don’t see the point in changing anything. Minato currently scales to roughly 1/2 of where Obito scales and is only ~1.02x weaker than KSM Naruto, and none of the feats provided make me think that’s such an egregious gap that it’d warrant this miniscule upgrade that does nothing but put a bigger tier on Minato’s profile (in fact, I’d say the scans imply Minato is comparable, but slightly weaker than KSM Nard, which is exactly where his current scaling places him).

So mark me as disagree.

Noted, but like I said to Slayer, 1.02x is just the difference that's numerically quantified. The difference between Base and Sage Mode is large in verse, so KCM Minato having even a somewhat relative performance to BSM Naruto is a better assertion than being KCM2 Naruto level. It'd be like if Base Naruto fought comparably alongside Sage Mode Naruto.

Back to square zero

I believe I've already voted on here, but I'll reiterate my disagree too.

If nothing changes regarding this in the next couple days then I think it's about time to close this as being rejected.

It's not really rejected since the agrees and disagrees are tied

 

[DavidTPPM]

The most insane thread ever over a 2% amp

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I gotta say, a vote balance of 4-1 but still practically being tied is quite funny

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

That’s the difference between us, my friend, I feel no such pity

My thoughts really haven’t changed. Making Minato 98.35 Teratons, possibly 100 Teratons is splitting hairs to such a degree that I don’t see the point in changing anything. Minato currently scales to roughly 1/2 of where Obito scales and is only ~1.02x weaker than KSM Naruto, and none of the feats provided make me think that’s such an egregious gap that it’d warrant this miniscule upgrade that does nothing but put a bigger tier on Minato’s profile (in fact, I’d say the scans imply Minato is comparable, but slightly weaker than KSM Nard, which is exactly where his current scaling places him).

So mark me as disagree.

Inverse Discrepancies ≠ Crossverse Stat Discrepancies

If Sage Mode was accepted as a multiplier KSM Naruto would be 0.9 petatons or sth while kcm2 would be merely 90sth TT

which means the upgrade for Minato is deserved (this is assuming you agree they’re comparable I haven’t quite read up the gist of OP)

 

[Stryker861]

If Minato has the feats to scale to the same value them give him the rating. Whether its "splitting hairs" or whatever isent even an argument against anything. And like sparkle said if kcm Minato performs on the level of BSM nard there's no reason he techncally shouldn't be able to upscale to 100 teratons imho instead of being where regular kcm2 nard is at

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Regular members, unite!
We ain't doing shit

 

[LordTracer]

Actually, y’know what, I’ll go over this rq.

Naruto and Minato display relative pushing force

Two characters pushing the same thing doesn’t automatically mean they’re comparable in strength.

Minato is powerful support for Naruto

The fact that he’s just support for Naruto implies that he’s not as strong as him, just like his current rating suggests.

they show comparable durability

Two characters taking a hit from the same guy doesn’t mean they scale to each other in durability.

• Minato and his clone withstand kicks from Unstable Juubito
• Minato slaps away Juubito's chakra arms which destroyed the FCRF and whose flickers destroyed Hashirama's Deity Gates

Downscaling from Juubito is perfectly reasonable with his current rating.

So again, I disagree with the proposed rating, and I disagree with the reasoning used to get it.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Put me in as agree,
if Minato's power was substantial enough to be considered worthy of joining Naruto in combat he's definitely on the same level or at least comparable, as I said before one cannot argue they shouldn't get scaled relatively based on cross verse tiers, they NEVER reflect what their objective stats are, those are subjected to change and are what they "at least" are instead of absolute ratings

Now that being said, I personally would not mind keeping minato at 98 TT while having him scaled to the stronger version of Naruto in the justifications, as Tracer implied it reflects their in-verse tiering, if naruto was scaled to something higher like planet level then scaling minato up would definitely be deserved

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

The fact that he’s just support for Naruto implies that he’s not as strong as him, just like his current rating suggests.

What do you think of my proposal

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Actually, y’know what, I’ll go over this rq.

Two characters pushing the same thing doesn’t automatically mean they’re comparable in strength.

It's more about the force lines around their hands

The fact that he’s just support for Naruto implies that he’s not as strong as him, just like his current rating suggests.

I wouldn't necessarily say so, it's more because Minato himself has no way to damage Juubito. By default, he can only support Naruto. Also there are definitely other examples of support being equal or stronger like Minato to Kid Kakashi, KCM Minato/Tobirama to MKCM1 Naruto/EMS Sasuke, DMS Kakashi to Naruto/Sasuke, etc.

Also, even if I steelmanned that interpretation, KCM Minato<~BSM Naruto>>KCM2 Naruto would still mean KCM Minato is notably above KCM2 Naruto.

Two characters taking a hit from the same guy doesn’t mean they scale to each other in durability.

If they sustain similar damage it does

Downscaling from Juubito is perfectly reasonable with his current rating.

I really think you're focusing on the numbers too much. I would be proposing this even if for example KCM2 Naruto was 105 teratons and BSM Naruto was unquantifiably above him. Juubito is already considerably above BSM Naruto, letalone KCM2 Naruto.

Also it's not really downscaling in the case of the chakra arms, it's straight up relativity/superiority as the KA repelled the arm's attack