Is Backrooms allowed in VS Battles Wiki?

[Agnaa]

I speak with very little knowledge of Backrooms itself. Almost everything I know about it comes from this thread.

It kinda feels like bad form to index every single group that takes a piece of originally anonymously-posted media. Since the rightsholder is unclear, and no particular branch stands far above the rest, it's hard to tell which of them should be considered the "original character" and which permutations should be considered "fan characters".

However, we may have already ditched that level of filtering with other internet horror series we have on the site; we seem to just use notability for series based on anonymous authorship, as if they were public domain characters. But then again, maybe those series, while sometimes taking common characters like "Jeff the Killer", are overall fairly distinct from each other so this becomes less of an issue.

While I'd like to stick to my earlier suggestion of "Wait a few months until one of these sites/series shows itself to be dominant, only index that, and ignore the rest." I don't know if that's consistent with how we've handled similar internet horror situations before.

I think it should also go without saying, that whichever ones we do index should have stringent quality control standards. For collaborative works like wikis, knowledgeable members should explain (and cite) quality control processes the site has. For works like a YouTube series, the fact that it's a person's own channel should be quality control enough.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I speak with very little knowledge of Backrooms itself. Almost everything I know about it comes from this thread.

It kinda feels like bad form to index every single group that takes a piece of originally anonymously-posted media. Since the rightsholder is unclear, and no particular branch stands far above the rest, it's hard to tell which of them should be considered the "original character" and which permutations should be considered "fan characters".

However, we may have already ditched that level of filtering with other internet horror series we have on the site; we seem to just use notability for series based on anonymous authorship, as if they were public domain characters. But then again, maybe those series, while sometimes taking common characters like "Jeff the Killer", are overall fairly distinct from each other so this becomes less of an issue.

While I'd like to stick to my earlier suggestion of "Wait a few months until one of these sites/series shows itself to be dominant, only index that, and ignore the rest." I don't know if that's consistent with how we've handled similar internet horror situations before.

I think it should also go without saying, that whichever ones we do index should have stringent quality control standards. For collaborative works like wikis, knowledgeable members should explain (and cite) quality control processes the site has. For works like a YouTube series, the fact that it's a person's own channel should be quality control enough.

The most dominant backrooms sites/series so far are kanepixels, wikidot and possibly liminal archives.

Fandom can just go in the bin.

 

[Mariogoods]

It kinda feels like bad form to index every single group that takes a piece of originally anonymously-posted media. Since the rightsholder is unclear, and no particular branch stands far above the rest, it's hard to tell which of them should be considered the "original character" and which permutations should be considered "fan characters".

I agree with the above argument. Also, based on what Agnaa said above, the canon seems far too messy/incoherent to be featured in our wiki.

I never suggests for a compositing profile of Backrooms, never suggests for considering all Backrooms stuff as a combined canon all along. My suggestion is that different continuities with the shared basic story in a public domain (Backrooms in this case), should be considered as different continuities, which is seemingly neither agreed nor disagreed.

For opinion from Agnaa, indexing every single group is not bad as long as said single group meets the standard of VS Battles Wiki and the quality control can be judged in case-by-case basis (or you can say group-by-group basis)

 

[Antvasima]

I speak with very little knowledge of Backrooms itself. Almost everything I know about it comes from this thread.

It kinda feels like bad form to index every single group that takes a piece of originally anonymously-posted media. Since the rightsholder is unclear, and no particular branch stands far above the rest, it's hard to tell which of them should be considered the "original character" and which permutations should be considered "fan characters".

However, we may have already ditched that level of filtering with other internet horror series we have on the site; we seem to just use notability for series based on anonymous authorship, as if they were public domain characters. But then again, maybe those series, while sometimes taking common characters like "Jeff the Killer", are overall fairly distinct from each other so this becomes less of an issue.

While I'd like to stick to my earlier suggestion of "Wait a few months until one of these sites/series shows itself to be dominant, only index that, and ignore the rest." I don't know if that's consistent with how we've handled similar internet horror situations before.

I think it should also go without saying, that whichever ones we do index should have stringent quality control standards. For collaborative works like wikis, knowledgeable members should explain (and cite) quality control processes the site has. For works like a YouTube series, the fact that it's a person's own channel should be quality control enough.

This seems to make sense to me.

I am also concerned about setting bad precedents about allowing fan creations in general.

 

[Greatsage13th]

This seems to make sense to me.

I am also concerned about setting bad precedents about allowing fan creations in general.

You mean something like fandom?

 

[Antvasima]

No, I mean that we have separated the focus of our community into 3 different wikis for good reasons. Mixing them up too much seems like a very bad idea.

 

[Greatsage13th]

No, I mean that we have separated the focus of our community into 3 different wikis for good reasons. Mixing them up too much seems like a very bad idea.

But you can't really call Kane pixels, liminal archives and Wikidot backrooms as "Fanmade" Nor "OCs" tho at this point in time.

 

[Sans2345]

To be honest, the only canon of the Backrooms that i see that would likely get accepted is Kane Pixel's version of it, i agree with what other people said that it would be too messy to even add anything that is related to the Backrooms due to the multiple canons it has.

 

[Greatsage13th]

To be honest, the only canon of the Backrooms that i see that would likely get accepted is Kane Pixel's version of it, i agree with what other people said that it would be too messy to even add anything that is related to the Backrooms due to the multiple canons it has.

Kane pixels is more Fanmade than liminal archives and Wikidot. It'll be the least likely to be accepted excluding fandom.

 

[Bobsican]

Strictly speaking we're effectively dealing with public domain media, so all that matters at that point is notability and how far each case is from glorified fanfiction (or rather, how easily can anybody can contribute to it, Fandom Backrooms is a no as it's free for all and I can indeed make the tier 0 penguin with hardly any issue from what I'm looking).

 

[Greatsage13th]

(or rather, how easily can anybody can contribute to it, Fandom Backrooms is a no as it's free for all and I can indeed make the tier 0 penguin with hardly any issue from what I'm looking).

Just do it so that you can prove your point otherwise it's just a baseless theory.

 

[Bobsican]

Hmmm... I bothered looking at the standards, and they seem maybe even a bit more strict than what SCP Foundation has? Pages must fit a canon, or at least be "plausible" within the setting, and shouldn't contradict other pages.
It seems the Fandom one is the "original" one if we go on the basis on it being around before Wikidot's.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Hmmm... I bothered looking at the standards, and they seem maybe even a bit more strict than what SCP Foundation has? Pages must fit a canon, or at least be "plausible" within the setting, and shouldn't contradict other pages.
It seems the Fandom one is the "original" one if we go on the basis on it being around before Wikidot's.

I see

 

[Antvasima]

@Agnaa

What do you think that we should do here? Should we close this thread?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Currently there are already almost 10 well made backrooms Wikidot profiles that could be posted from one of the user's blog.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I am still worried about that our standards turn too muddled if we allow too outright fan creations into our wiki, but let's wait to see what Agnaa thinks.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Well, I am still worried about that our standards turn too muddled if we allow too outright fan creations into our wiki, but let's wait to see what Agnaa thinks.

This scenario is quite different from other verses tbf

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but even if that is true, many other members will likely not see it that way, and then demand that we loosen our standards further.

 

[Jibz]

This feels like discource for the sake of discource. Discussions are fine, but this truly isnt as complicated as yall are trying to make it. Wiki-dot is fine. Liminal Archives is fine. Kane Pixels is fine, albiet would be a stub verse, so i dont really care for it. What sort of problem would arise from having any of them on here is beyond me.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Okay, but even if that is true, many other members will likely not see it that way, and then demand that we loosen our standards further.

Then we'll just have to make a clear distinction on why this is accepted while others fall short of the criteria.

 

[Antvasima]

@Agnaa @EliminatorVenom @Zaratthustra @Sir_Ovens @Qawsedf234

What do you think about this?

 

[Qawsedf234]

As before I don't like it or other series like SCP being cataloged due to the nature of anyone adding something and the times people have made stuff to fit the bar minimum standard to try and push for an upgrade.

But if we're keeping each page as it's own self contained thing without acknowledging adjacent material then it might be fine I guess.

 

[Jibz]

 

[Antvasima]

As before I don't like it or other series like SCP being cataloged due to the nature of anyone adding something and the times people have made stuff to fit the bar minimum standard to try and push for an upgrade.

But if we're keeping each page as it's own self contained thing without acknowledging adjacent material then it might be fine I guess.

I technically also do not like fan-works with a loose canon, such as SCP, to be featured in our wiki.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I agree with Qawsedf.

I sincerely have no knowledge of how these verses work beyond a few basic things I've seen people talk and so I can't really express my own opinion regarding this subject beyond agreeing with what Qawsedf said "keeping each page as it's own self contained thing without acknowledging adjacent material" as it makes sense and should work well enough without creating future problems hopefully.

 

[Jibz]

What if there are multiple pages that are heavily interconnected to eachother, but are for the most part disconnected to everything else.

 

[Antvasima]

@SomebodyData @Celestial_Pegasus @Wokistan @Andytrenom @Mr._Bambu

Would you be willing to help evaluate this discussion please?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

As before I don't like it or other series like SCP being cataloged due to the nature of anyone adding something and the times people have made stuff to fit the bar minimum standard to try and push for an upgrade.

But if we're keeping each page as it's own self contained thing without acknowledging adjacent material then it might be fine I guess.

I also generally agree with this, yeah. SCP is on thin ice already.

 

[Jibz]

Id like to put it out there im fine with nuking both Backrooms and SCP if it has to come to it

 

[Bobsican]

TBH I was already uncomfortable with having SCP on the wiki, the same also applies to the RPC Authority as that's essencially a cheap knockoff of that.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Everyone says SCP is on thin ice but when was the last time anyone actually made a thread to get rid of it?

 

[Tllmbrg]

You are tempting people Oven

 

[Agnaa]

I still have the same view as before; I'd like to wait until one Backrooms canon becomes clearly more popular than the others for an extended period of time, and just index that one.

 

[Tllmbrg]

I mean the two existing ones are just different things all together, doesn't seem fair to me to just go with the more popular one

 

[Agnaa]

From what I'm aware there's not just two, and I'm a little bit suspicious of the claim that they're completely different things. They take on the same name after all, I'd expect them to explore similar topics.

 

[Greatsage13th]

I still have the same view as before; I'd like to wait until one Backrooms canon becomes clearly more popular than the others for an extended period of time, and just index that one.

That's going to take a very long time.

 

[Greatsage13th]

From what I'm aware there's not just two, and I'm a little bit suspicious of the claim that they're completely different things. They take on the same name after all, I'd expect them to explore similar topics.

They're different in what entities they have and what levels they have. The only similarity is level 0.

 

[Agnaa]

Really? I'd expect it to take only 6-24 months.

 

[Bobsican]

Eh, how would we quantify that anyways? I really doubt we'll only get a single "main" one based on popularity when more than two are trending already, and at that point by then one could argue multiple Backroom variants would qualify on terms of notability either way, just like how public domain characters can have multiple popular interpretations and all.

 

[Tllmbrg]

From what I'm aware there's not just two, and I'm a little bit suspicious of the claim that they're completely different things. They take on the same name after all, I'd expect them to explore similar topics.

From what I'm aware they simply just use the infinite place of yellow rooms idea and from there they're radically different
Web series is about how the government made this to counter space shortages and all that ensues from there
The wikidot thing is a SCP type ordeal where there are various canons and it expends the idea in that there are 999 floors (As of right now, there will be 1000 more in theory) and is trying to go for an entire alternate reality sort of thing