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Ikki's fights, skills and character.

LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
... Or really, sometimes it literally doesn't matter why they are OP as long as you know what you are doing with them. Jack Rakan is one of Negima's most ridiculous characters and in-universe meme cheat code joke, but even before it was revealed how he got so strong his antics and actions and personality made him one of the favorites for fans.
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I mean a personal fav of mine here is Asthetica of a Rouge Hero. The MC is a chad in every way. He's written to be a chad, he's meant to be a chad, he's chad because he's a chad. It's lovely.
 
He was born too chad for the confines of this world, imploding under his own chad weight as he became a black hole of chad, pulling all the bishes to him.

Or somethign like that.
 
I like the socially awkward, nice guy protas better, the chads are simply ugh to me. I don't care if the MC is OP as long as he losses at least one match in the whole series, since I don't want them to be invincible either.
 
I do like OP mc's in general. But they need to have the character to back it up, rather than being OP with underdog traits. It's just lame like that. If a character is like Izayoi from Problem Children. He's OP and he knows it and he acts like it. I like the cockyness.

So basically i like when characters are what they are supposed to act, or down to earth in personality.
 
I love cocky guys, maybe it's not a guy from anime, but Dante is one of the cockiest guy in fiction and still he's always fire in action
 
A hero having confidence in himself is nice, the problem is when its just overdone to the point of annoyedness. Having someone that can't back up his abilities being cocky, and not in a funny or endearing way like a dude that just likes boasting, is disguuuusting. Or someone that acts cocky and just slides through any sort of obstacle. That's just a power fantasy and those are egh.
 
That's why i say "Op when he has the character to back it up". A cocky dude with no power is just cringe. An OP pu$$y is just lame. That's why i don't like the casual "im op af but im shy around just about everyone that falls under the gender of female even if they aren't even ******* human. I mean come on, dudes can nuke universes get punched senseless by fodder girls cus he saw them in their underwear.

That's why i felt like Asthetica of a Rouge Hero was so refreshing. Because it was just fun to see him enter the changing room and rather than being scared and shy shitless he actually just takes off their bra and massages them along with helping them with their bra sizes. Or how he gets attacked by girls but keeps his manlyhood and doesn't attack girls but doesn't become a punching bag but actually toys with them. That was just enjoyable.
 
Nah not really.

My fav scene of Rakudai was in the novel when ikki says:

"Remember what i told you in the cabin, that i wanted to wait until we were married to do it?"

"Yeah it made me happ-"

"Forget i said that"

That scene i really liked cus he actually acted like he's supposed to for a 16 y/o instead of being 40y/o waiting for the right one to marry. That was actually good (in terms of their relationship i mean), the same reason i like the MC from Okusama ga seito Kaichow. Yes the MC there is forced to live with this girl who tries to provoke him and he tries to keep his cool, and it's ok a lot of people would do that, BUT he actually gives in if there is too much provoking. That thing alone made me give it a thumbs up, an MC that actually takes action when provoked too much instead of...you know....being To Love Ru MC and passing out from nosebleeds at the smallest thing that could be called sexualization.

I really like when the MC is actually socially smart and has a freaking personality. Since most MC's are just people who can't interact with other people and are usually denser than uranium when it comes to anything concerning girls.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
I did say anime. Raise your reading comprehension ovo
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Then hmm...in terms of their relationship, im not sure. They never really do much, but the novel has a lot of good stuff. Like how he just says "f it" and proceeds to kiss and bite her neck on pure instinct due to provokation. That's what i actually enjoy cus again, a normal reaction instead of gushing out 3 tons of blood from their nose with enough pressure to send someone to the moon.
 
Something something rising blood pressure and the fact that the skin at the nasal cavities is actually rather frail or something. I don't entirely remember,
 
Does this happen irl? Cuz I would hope so or it is random af but I also don't as how horny do you have to be cause that to happen?
 
""In the past, people like pro wrestlers would intentionally give themselves small cuts on their forehead in order to build tension and atmosphere in a match. I can only imagine that the idea of extreme stimulation and an excess of energy was portrayed in the same way with nosebleeds, and it's come to be the accepted method of representing that feeling.""

The thoughts of a nose and ear specialist doctor from Japan after being asked on the subject.
 
I feel a cocky protagonist works best if he gets humbled, or they show that they're more vulnerable than they let on. Take YYH, Yusuke's was humble to a fault, but just look at his reaction when Kurama was being beaten while already unconscious or when Toguro took out a certain someone(s). And there's also Hiei. When Yusuke's falls (don't worry he gets better), his voice even cracks when he's trying to avenge his friend.

"Here's a one-way ticket for you straight to Hell! You BASTAAAARD!!!"
 
AnonymousBlank said:
Does this happen irl? Cuz I would hope so or it is random af but I also don't as how horny do you have to be cause that to happen?
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Can confirm.

I don't nosebleed but it's very common for me to sneeze if I look at an attractive women way back when.
 
Can confirm.

I don't nosebleed but it's very common for me to sneeze if I look at an attractive women way back when.

Never heard of that. You sure yer not just allergic to women? xD
 
I don't have a problem with the protas being shy in front of the girls as long as there is a reason. Let's go back to my dear boi Lux, he's shy with girls because he is a royal and thus was educated to be respectful of women, yet as his own narration states, he's a healthy young boy with sexual needs, and thus has constant problem with "I shouldn't look at this naked girl before me because that is unrespectful, but man, she ticc" like when he had a bath with Philuffy and covered his eyes with his hands but let a small opening to look at her.
 
I like when ikki tries to make it even by stripping because it gave me the impression that he's one of my other favorite types of MC. A guy who's amazingly skilled at one thing (like fighting) and an absolute fool everywhere else.

Basically the Genius Ditz or Bunny Ears Lawyer trope
 
Creaturemaster971 said:
I like when ikki tries to make it even by stripping because it gave me the impression that he's one of my other favorite types of MC. A guy who's amazingly skilled at one thing (like fighting) and an absolute fool everywhere else.

Basically the Genius Ditz or Bunny Ears Lawyer trope
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I actually agree Ikki is exactly like that.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
Nanami Yasuri vs Ikki Kurogane

Nanami to copy a style needs to see it twice. She understands the basics in the 1st look and then makes it hers with the 2nd look (iirc this is the case, may be wrong). Ikki however can simply just look at the stance and understand moves he has never even seen before.

So in terms of copying, ikki is far more skilled, by feats.
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Pushes up glasses

Actually the first time Nanami sees a stance, she precogs the opponent's entire repertoire (but can't copy it yet for some reason), after the first look she copies it to the extent of skill she witnessed, and astronomically improves it with each use, and with a second glance she perfects it to the theoretical maximum degree it could be.

And then outskills Ikki with it
 
I mean.

Nanami pretty much perfectly copies abilities, no matter if physical or supernatural, or physical stats or things she previously couldn't even do. Without even trying or even meaning to, every use of the ability evolves it like an entire generation had improved on it, and with a mere second glance, she perfects it beyond what infinite time by infinite wielders could do for the technique. Ikki's is more proactive, but not at all better. "Removing all flaws and perfecting it" doesn't sound comparable to "perfecting it beyond the capability of infinite amounts of people across infinite time to make a comparable version". Especially because it even predicts supernatural powers.

Not to mention, even if she doesn't copy from the stance, she can already perfectly predict and perfectly counter from first glance.
 
Actually the first time Nanami sees a stance, she precogs the opponent's entire repertoire

This is a wild overstatement of the actual statement in the show. Where she simply said "Based on your stance I can tell what you're going to do next", which seems to just be knowledge of fighting stances and what they're used for. Not "upon seeing a stance precogs everything the opponent can possibly do"

and with a mere second glance, she perfects it beyond what infinite time by infinite wielders could do for the technique

When is she ever stated to perfect abilities beyond what infinite time with infinite wielders could do for it? I don't remember Katanagatari very well but I don't remember anything close to that.

Not to mention, even if she doesn't copy from the stance, she can already perfectly predict and perfectly counter from first glance.

I don't think there's any statements about her being able to perfectly counter from first glance?
 
That was the general idea that I got from the explanation, but I do know the general thought was that countless generations of users inhereting and improving wouldn't compare to her version, plus the whole idealogy of "Complete" vs "Perfect" in Kataganari.
 
I'd really hesitate to just chuck around infinities like that.

Shichika recently had "can learn how to counter from looking at someone" removed from his profile. So if Nanami had it for scaling to him it should be removed.
 
It was discussed towards the tail end of this thread
 
@Agnaa I'll have to rewatch, but I remember the line being "by revealing your stance, you have revealed to me any secrets your fighting style may hold. You will no longer be able to hit me." Followed by her dodging everything.
 
"If you change your stance in reaction to every single thing that happens in a battle, won't you become slower? I can read exactly what you plan to do next from your stance. You have revealed any mysteries your Kenpou might have had"

Considering that line comes right after "i can read what you plan to do next", it's more saying "no matter what you do i will know in advance" rather than "i know everything". Cus the stance is a position that you take to favour some form of attack or defense, so a skilled fighter can actually realize what kind of attack is favoured by that stance, so by nature it reveals exactly what he can do from that stance. Not much different from what very experienced karate masters can do.
 
Yeah but as i said, context doesn't imply that, as she specifies "the next move" so it's more like "you can't do a move that i won't expect".
 
That line of "i already know your next move" and "your stance makes you slower" really take back that line from being a really good skill feat actually.
 
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