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Why not just fix the pages instead of deleting?? This isn't a like the situation with Shinza where there was like no one to make any revisions, there seems to be supporters who are willing to fix the Verse pages so why not wait
If people are willing to fix the profiles that's fine. However, from the looks of it, it didn't seem like people were gonna do anything about it. Though, Firephoenixearl responded and said it's an easy fix so let's wait for him.
 
If people are willing to fix the profiles that's fine. However, from the looks of it, it didn't seem like people were gonna do anything about it. Though, Firephoenixearl responded and said it's an easy fix so let's wait for him.
Well I saw someone in the thread post a bunch of quotes in here so that's something and there's been quite a lot of activity in the Rakudai tag recently so I think we should give it a little time
 
Anyway lemme start this by addressing the issues with the opening post.

Bad justifications
That is just wrong my brother. Taking the case in question, stella being SOL. It literally says "dodge beams of light". Why this was sol and not lower was already discussed in a separate thread. So the justification is there.

No references
Since when is that a necessary thing for light novels? I don't remember that being a condition back when I overhauled the profiles. If you could provide me the rule then I have no issues giving the references literally off the top of my head. I know when stuff happened, so I can tell you the volumes and chapter at any time, so it's not an issue whatsoever to add. But do provide me the rule please.

Bad overall profiles
You took one of the worst profiles and used it as an example for the rest. Let's not do this, clearly state which profiles have an inherent issue like that so that we can actually get somewhere instead of saying "let's delete renren instead of just fixing the link".

This is a fair point for a bunch of stuff but a lot of the main cast shares a few abilities which are already explained in the Blazer Physiology page, with scans and all. This is cus I saw @Vietthai96 say ikki didn't have a scan for fate hax. Which is plain wrong cus it is said it comes from desperado state which is included in the blazer physiology with scans and all. And desperado stuff is the most controversial part of most character's kits so with that out most of the other stuff is fairly minor.


But as I said you did make some fair points which I will answer later on how to fix them very easily. This reply was literally just as a "these weren't good points".
 
Anyway lemme start this by addressing the issues with the opening post.
Ok
That is just wrong my brother. Taking the case in question, stella being SOL. It literally says "dodge beams of light". Why this was sol and not lower was already discussed in a separate thread. So the justification is there.
Wouldn't that need a calc? Also there are no scans, they should have been added.
Since when is that a necessary thing for light novels? I don't remember that being a condition back when I overhauled the profiles. If you could provide me the rule then I have no issues giving the references literally off the top of my head. I know when stuff happened, so I can tell you the volumes and chapter at any time, so it's not an issue whatsoever to add. But do provide me the rule please.
Don't think it's a rule. Though I haven't read them. But it's part of the page standard so I think they should be? Or least I was told to add them when adding my own profiles.
You took one of the worst profiles and used it as an example for the rest. Let's not do this, clearly state which profiles have an inherent issue like that so that we can actually get somewhere instead of saying "let's delete renren instead of just fixing the link".
Pretty sure quite a few of them could have this problem. Though I haven't checked all ngl.
This is a fair point for a bunch of stuff but a lot of the main cast shares a few abilities which are already explained in the Blazer Physiology page, with scans and all. This is cus I saw @Vietthai96 say ikki didn't have a scan for fate hax. Which is plain wrong cus it is said it comes from desperado state which is included in the blazer physiology with scans and all. And desperado stuff is the most controversial part of most character's kits so with that out most of the other stuff is fairly minor.
Yeah, scans is the biggest issue right now.
But as I said you did make some fair points which I will answer later on how to fix them very easily. This reply was literally just as a "these weren't good points".
If you're willing to fix the problems we can make a new thread. The point of this is to delete the profiles due to lack of scans and poorly made profiles. But if now there are people willing to resolve the issues brought up in the op there is no point in this.
 
Since when is that a necessary thing for light novels? I don't remember that being a condition back when I overhauled the profiles. If you could provide me the rule then I have no issues giving the references literally off the top of my head. I know when stuff happened, so I can tell you the volumes and chapter at any time, so it's not an issue whatsoever to add. But do provide me the rule please
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References We literally have a thread regarding this so
 

Edit: It is also in the editing rules too
 
This is a fair point for a bunch of stuff but a lot of the main cast shares a few abilities which are already explained in the Blazer Physiology page, with scans and all. This is cus I saw @Vietthai96 say ikki didn't have a scan for fate hax. Which is plain wrong cus it is said it comes from desperado state which is included in the blazer physiology with scans and all. And desperado stuff is the most controversial part of most character's kits so with that out most of the other stuff is fairly minor.
uh oh, i didn't say anything about Desperado or Blazer Physiology, my bad though. However, the state of many profiles is still bad
 
Mostly, yeah. I'm also ready to help out up to volume 5 if need be. But the profiles have been outdated for the longest time with no scans and it didn't seem like anyone would fix them unless brought up like this. But if people are now active and willing to fix the profiles I can make a new thread for that.
 
If it's not enough, just add some for make it enough. If it's wrong just fix it

I think don't need for delete it
 
Wouldn't that need a calc?
You cannot calc it because there are no given distances. It was literally just a case of "she would need to move a fairly large distance before a beam reached her from not too far away". So since the result would be in the SoL ballpark we just take it as an SoL feat.

Reference rules
Well, that also states the same about manga based profiles and all, but i haven't seen many manga based profiles around who have references on top of their scans for justifications. Again this is not a problem for me but it doesn't seem to be very well forced enough to use it as condition to delete verses.

Though I haven't checked all ngl.
Then since you said you wanted to help and you were the one who brought up this condition of the pages, i'll leave this to you.
 
You cannot calc it because there are no given distances. It was literally just a case of "she would need to move a fairly large distance before a beam reached her from not too far away". So since the result would be in the SoL ballpark we just take it as an SoL feat.


Well, that also states the same about manga based profiles and all, but i haven't seen many manga based profiles around who have references on top of their scans for justifications. Again this is not a problem for me but it doesn't seem to be very well forced enough to use it as condition to delete verses.


Then since you said you wanted to help and you were the one who brought up this condition of the pages, i'll leave this to you.
The whole SoL thing is still kind of iffy to me but yeah, I will deal with the rest. Since there are people willing to help out I can start making a general CRT for the verse where people will be able to give their input and send scans needed for profiles. Or something like that.
 
Do that also include this part in the CRT:

"Tendou Harima should get conceptual manipulation (whatever type would be best), because his ability is of the concept manipulation system so it by default has to be conceptual."

It was removed while I was retired by DontTalkDT. He had a fair point cus i hadn't mentioned that part in the profiles or CRT.
 
Idk the Sol thing seems iffy, do we have a distance Stella moved,distance the Beam was fired from.
Did it meet all requirements of being Lightspeed?
Except it being called a beam of light which isnt enough.
Because the Negacion in bleach is also called a Light Beam but isnt considered to be real light or move as fast as real light
 
The longes minute in my life son, is this a longterm thing or are ya just going to save Rakudai and vanish for another minute again?
Probably not long term, though I may take a shorter break this time. When new Rakudai volumes drop I'll probably drop by to make some CRTs, I started this shit, might as well end it amirite?

But gotta save my baby every now and then, though I did check the wiki a bit these last few days even though i refrained from actually posting cus i got some complaints about "Some people overplaying Rakudai" (yes im talking about the "ikki has passives" "type 5 acausality" "infinite speed" stuff that was happening a while ago). If I see any of those happen again I will come to shut those down.

Long story short you will see me on and off the site depending on how the situation arises. If you ever miss me just start wanking rakudai till people notice and start complaining, i'll be there. xD
 
You cannot calc it because there are no given distances. It was literally just a case of "she would need to move a fairly large distance before a beam reached her from not too far away". So since the result would be in the SoL ballpark we just take it as an SoL feat.
^This. You can't calc a LN/WN verse like you can a comic/movie/manga/ect. In general, narration/character dialogue does not give the dimensions of a given area, so literally any calc would just be complete guesswork.

In other words, for statements of speed and AP, you have to take them at face value especially if given context doesn't contradict it (And for the light, it meets our SoL laser standards).
So if a character or narration says "Ikki destroyed a mountain with a slash of his sword reducing it to rubble.", you'd take the average small mountain destruction value for fragmentation and use that for the AP rating.
It's entirely possible the "mountain" here isn't actually the size of a mountain, but given context, we would have to assume it is mountain-sized.
 
1.being on the side of just maintaining important important profiles like stella and ikki, because those 2 profiles look more organized than the other profiles, but I see the supporters are still active so try to give them time to stab the feats²/scans that aren't given.

2.even without official translation, VSBW still allows fan-translation as long as the translation isn't too bad. from what I see Fans translate Rakudai is not bad which is not too much of a problem, btw Mgkf uses fan translation (Even doing the translation myself here) and it's not just 1-5 scans but a lot.

3.Just put the scene, don't delete it, the supporters are still active

4.even me don't know this verse at the novel (only saw the anime version), if the side character profile is very outdated. I agree with deleting the profile (except for Stella and Ikki's profiles)
 
Even if there is no translation for X series its alowed on Wiki as long as the original text is present with the self-translation/machine translation.
 
Well desperado have scan, so at least i think even if we go the deletion route, we can still keep the verse along with Desperado profile. But yeah, rating like tier, AP, and speed need scan to verify
 
Well desperado have scan, so at least i think even if we go the deletion route, we can still keep the verse along with Desperado profile. But yeah, rating like tier, AP, and speed need scan to verify
They are actually based on fairly complex scaling. The justifications are in the profiles, it is just as confusing as it looks.
 
Dont nuke the verse, nuke the shit profiles. There seems to be atleast some interest in helping old character pages so if someone actually wants to do that then im fine with that staying. However the shit no evidence pages need to go unless someone wants to remake the whole thing. Thats my two cents atleast.
 
1.being on the side of just maintaining important important profiles like stella and ikki, because those 2 profiles look more organized than the other profiles, but I see the supporters are still active so try to give them time to stab the feats²/scans that aren't given.
Most of them aren't really active in a CRT I linked above to give scans, here it is again:
2.even without official translation, VSBW still allows fan-translation as long as the translation isn't too bad. from what I see Fans translate Rakudai is not bad which is not too much of a problem, btw Mgkf uses fan translation (Even doing the translation myself here) and it's not just 1-5 scans but a lot.
Cool but now there are problems like hard-to-find scans and they aren't even referenced. (vol 12 is hard to find in particular from what I hear)
3.Just put the scene, don't delete it, the supporters are still active
And don't seem to really care about adding scans or improving the profiles but just adding "cool" stuff.
4.even me don't know this verse at the novel (only saw the anime version), if the side character profile is very outdated. I agree with deleting the profile (except for Stella and Ikki's profiles)
Yeah, maybe. So far every profile but Ikki's and Stellas are garbage.

Dont nuke the verse, nuke the shit profiles. There seems to be atleast some interest in helping old character pages so if someone actually wants to do that then im fine with that staying. However the shit no evidence pages need to go unless someone wants to remake the whole thing. Thats my two cents atleast.
So nuke everything but Ikki and Stella? (even though they also have a lot of missing scans) I mean it doesn't seem like there is much interest in this CRT for scan gathering:
 
So nuke everything but Ikki and Stella? (even though they also have a lot of missing scans) I mean it doesn't seem like there is much interest in this CRT for scan gathering:
If they are poor quality stub/no scan/outdated pages with nobody wanting to fix them, then 100%.
 
If they are poor quality stub/no scan/outdated pages with nobody wanting to fix them, then 100%.
Yeah. So far I'm only seeing people care for Stella and Ikki staying. and even then it doesn't seem like people are in the mood for improving the profiles

Though I will wait, I guess. I've already made a separate CRT I linked where people can gather scans.
 
They need like 2 scans total. It's deadass more effort to delete than to fix.
Two scans??
Lol try 30+
Only two abilities on the profile has scans out of more than 20
The AP session has no scans
The speed session has none.

The pages while well constructed they need the scans and if no one is willing to find them and update the page, they should be deleted.

Btw it takes very little effort to delete a page. Just find an admin and well boom.

Anyway I favour fixing the pages other than deleting them but you saying they need just two scans when there is none on the pages for more than 30 things that needs a scan is just wrong
 
Two scans??
Lol try 30+
Only two abilities on the profile has scans out of more than 20
The AP session has no scans
The speed session has none.

The pages while well constructed they need the scans and if no one is willing to find them and update the page, they should be deleted.

Btw it takes very little effort to delete a page. Just find an admin and well boom.

Anyway I favour fixing the pages other than deleting them but you saying they need just two scans when there is none on the pages for more than 30 things that needs a scan is just wrong
In this CRT I have listed all the profiles which need scans...which is all of them. So yeah, a lot more than 2 per profile. Though right now we are trying to focus on Ikki and Stella who are the most important.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/rakudai-kishi-no-cavalry-scan-and-general-improvement-crt.137795/
 
Only two abilities on the profile has scans out of more than 20
I meant the side characters. Take a profile like renren.
Her AP doesn't require scans, it's scaling.
Her abilities are already explained in the Blazer Physiology.
Her speed comes from her unique ability which is literally "the more i run the faster i go and it peaks at this speed".
And that's it gg.
So all you need is maybe a scan for her unique ability that doesn't come from just being a Blazer in the P&A section and 1 scan for her speed limit on the speed section and you're set.

The reason we're focusing on Ikki and Stella is cus their profile are the biggest ones and require quite a bit of scans but we're waiting for staff input on that.
 
Uhhhh alr then. So what pages are in need of heavy maintenance / have a large lack of scans?
 
Really just ikki and stella. But ikki has his "feats" section which has the info for all of his skill based P&A which is 80% of his profile. So we need an expert to say whether that is enough or not. The rest of his profile isn't a problem.

Which leaves only Stella.
 
I am just here to pull up a chair and watch this debacle occur.

While I, for one, would push for a large-scale rewrite, particularly considering the invalidation of the series' multipliers,
I choose to no longer care that much.
 
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