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High School DxD Universe Discussion Thread
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I forgot @Qliphoth_Bacikal wasn’t done with the ability revisions lol.
Also @MasqueTLDF, you said you wanted the Infinity Blaster calc evaluated but is it essential for your Boosted Gear revisions?
Also @MasqueTLDF, you said you wanted the Infinity Blaster calc evaluated but is it essential for your Boosted Gear revisions?
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Speaking of which, how should Issei’s profile be handled? Since it’s going to be cluttered and he gains different abilities and resistances later on (Nyuutron, Penetrate, Reflect, etc), should we split it into multiple profiles for the different story arcs? Kinda like how Deku or Luffy’s profile pages are split.
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Not essential, but it'd help to have another good feat. I could achieve a similar effect with Mitsuya's moon creation.
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Could probably use tabbers (indication of volume) and in each tab we list the volume and form necessary for use.
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Yea but I feel like it’d be too much since he gains multiple abilities in different volumes.
Like if we made a profile for ‘Arc 4’, it seems like it’d be easier to differentiate the abilities.
We could also experiment with different profiles or tabbers in a sandbox and decide. When the pages are to be updated, we probably need sandboxes for the more important characters before updating.
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It's should be good
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I was thinking of that for those with multiple arcs like how it is for Luffy, Ichigo, Naruto, Deku, etc.
The main problem is as you pointed out that he has multiple abilities he gains in different abilities.
Speaking of that, Issei's profile as someone said before in an Issei match said his profile is a mess for how it's formatted. There are abilities he has in his base form that he doesn't get until much later on, and for it to be tiered and organized based on his base forms and powerup/armor forms undermines the progress even Issei himself gains throughout the series.
Just isolating the first two major arcs alone (V1-2 for Arc 1, and V3-6 for Arc 2), you got this of Issei:
Vol 1: Basic Devil Physiology stuff, Boosted Gear Doubling
Vol 2: Same thing before, Energy Projection and Manipulation (ex. Dragon Shot), Transfer (Power Bestowel), Transformation and some such w/Boosted Gear Scale Mail, Dress Break
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Vol 3: Nothing new AFAIK
Vol 4: Ability/Stats Reduction via Divine Dividing, Resistance to Time Stop due to Ddraig, Holy Manip I guess via Ascalon, Probably Dragon Outrage if anything
Vol 5: Resistance to Poison Manip due to being Dragon Host of Ddraig/Boosted Gear
Vol 6: Juggernaut Drive, Bodily weapon creation
Vol 2: Same thing before, Energy Projection and Manipulation (ex. Dragon Shot), Transfer (Power Bestowel), Transformation and some such w/Boosted Gear Scale Mail, Dress Break
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Vol 3: Nothing new AFAIK
Vol 4: Ability/Stats Reduction via Divine Dividing, Resistance to Time Stop due to Ddraig, Holy Manip I guess via Ascalon, Probably Dragon Outrage if anything
Vol 5: Resistance to Poison Manip due to being Dragon Host of Ddraig/Boosted Gear
Vol 6: Juggernaut Drive, Bodily weapon creation
And this also isn't taking into account the other abilities and/or resistances from the side stories of Vol 8/13/15 and DX which have stories that just take place before the main story and in between it which will bloat this list up even more.
But it is in the later arcs where it gets even more bloated, yeah.
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If we separate into story arcs, that would be five profiles.
Sekiryuutei's Awakening (Story Arc 1): Volumes 1 & 2
Birth of the Chichiryuutei (Story Arc 2): Volumes 3-6
The Heroic Oppai Dragon (Story Arc 3): Volumes 7-12
The Legend of Oppai Dragon and his Lively Companions (Story Arc 4): Volumes 13-21
Sekiryuutei of the Blazing Truth × Hakuryuukou of the Morning Star: The True Dragon(s) of Kuoh Academy (Story Arc 5): Volume 22-Current
Except we merge two arcs into one profile, then that would be 2-3 Issei profiles instead.
Sekiryuutei's Awakening (Story Arc 1): Volumes 1 & 2
Birth of the Chichiryuutei (Story Arc 2): Volumes 3-6
The Heroic Oppai Dragon (Story Arc 3): Volumes 7-12
The Legend of Oppai Dragon and his Lively Companions (Story Arc 4): Volumes 13-21
Sekiryuutei of the Blazing Truth × Hakuryuukou of the Morning Star: The True Dragon(s) of Kuoh Academy (Story Arc 5): Volume 22-Current
Except we merge two arcs into one profile, then that would be 2-3 Issei profiles instead.
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2/3 - 5 profiles wouldn't be that bad...I think?
If you look at Naruto and Goku, they're examples of characters who literally have several pages to accommodate their long-spanned development. And that's just the main series/canon line alone lol.
Naruto has four profiles for Part 1, Part 2 (up to Pre War), the War Arc, and Post Naruto Manga/New Life (Boruto). Including his game profile version, that makes 5.
Goku of DB Series has OG DB Era, DBZ Era, and two profiles to separate his anime and manga versions of Super Era. This technically makes it 4 for Goku like Naruto, and he has a lot more for his other versions of Toei Anime, DBGT, and the games.
In this way, I guess we can do the same for Issei and, if anyone really likes the idea, maybe an anime version too.
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Yes that should be needed
Because Anime timeline and LN timeline are different
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I think 3 Profiles would be fine, we can combine V1 and V2-4, and have V5-15 and V16-Current as separate profiles for Issei. I'll work on the summaries, images, etc for the other Issei profiles when I make them.
Could you make sure the abilities section of the profiles are correct? Whenever you get the opportunity, I hope I can trust you with that.
@TotalMasterInfinity will be working on the speed stuff.
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Why separate 5 and 6 from 3-4. and merging them to 7-15, and making 16-current for?
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Because of the AP differences that result from training. As @Burning_Full_Fingers mentioned, 3 profiles seems right. First Issei would only have two keys in V1, four for V2-4. Second would have V5-15 because Issei's base strength doesn't significantly increase during this time period but it is stronger than V4 base, total of 14 keys. Last because Issei shows an obvious base strength increase from V14/15 (Grendel fight), and doesn't have a significant base increase during this period, not sure how to quantify how many keys this Issei would have lol.
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Thinking that Ruma Idra may be a god tier, will elaborate later.
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Yeh
he can destroy all things across space time and even dimension
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Ahh.
Although even if we do split to like 3 profiles by merging two arcs together, it's the naming of the profiles that's gonna be a matter to be discussed.
Goku and Naruto have rather simpler names like "Naruto (Part 1)", "Naruto (Part 2: War Arc)", "Son Goku (DB), "Son Goku (DBZ)", that sort of thing.
You also got cases like Deku having two profiles to accommodate for his progression before and up to the end of the final Act, and Asta of Black Clover having three profiles too including one solely for the final saga of his series.
While it's true Issei's base doesn't exactly increase significantly and for sure, the naming of the profiles will also be important to make the distinction too.
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We can do it like the DBZ games, Issei (Early), Issei (Mid), Issei (End). Fun idea
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Jabberwocky statement is too vague with no timeframe. Also it’s weaker than the heavenly dragons based on Azazel’s statement.
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Timeframe for destruction would be necessary for tier 2? If so, it'd at most be the rest of Leonardo's lifespan. (Wouldn't change the tier.) Also, it's not really vague... World would either mean planet, myth realm, or DxD, and considering that it fought an amped GR (who scales to the latter), that makes the most sense. Plus, it's not just a one-off statement, it's said multiple times.
Could you remind me of the statement?
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Speed DxD Part 1
Currently DxD is going through a content review, AP and Cosmology are already being reviewed, now it's the turn of Speed. This was already discussed in this thread, but it didn't come to anything, that's why I bring this. The reason why this thread is titled Part 1 is because before talking...
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It could be referring to the landmass alone.
From Volume 9. He said Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing are above Annihilation Maker in raw power.
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Again, unlikely Small Planet Level statements applied to mid tiers at the time. (BxB Sairaorg/CxC Issei) Sirzechs would easily be able to one-shot him if that were the case, but he wasn't. Plus, like I said before, the Great Red stuff. Contextually, this would be the kind of statement you're looking for as an army of above Low 5-B characters would be able to destroy a planet.
"depending on the user"
Referring to the inexperienced Leonardo who couldn't even use the full potential (BxB) of his Longinus. This statement should doubly not apply since B&J was a unique BxB (subspecies) for Leonardo, and had never been seen before Volume 11. For more evidence, see the above statement. Fenrir > Ddraig and BxB Issei in raw power, meaning that depending on the user's skill (or BxB), their Annihilation Maker could be stronger.
Depending on the user again.
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Issei was in control and we know that he can’t pull out Great Red’s true power, even currently. Forget Great Red, he can’t pull out Ddraig’s true power alone. Neither has a genius like Vali.
As for the rest, I interpreted it as Azazel making a general comment about the capabilities of the Sacred Gears. Nothing really says Jabberwocky is a God Tier. Compare it to Trihexa’s awakening. Everyone was shocked at the idea that something comparable to Great Red was going to be awakened.
Jabberwocky, not so much. Nobody implied it was anything close to a God Tier in strength, even now when Great Red class beings have invaded.
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But like, why wouldn't Issei be able to pull out GR's full power? This is literally the only time he's ever been in a situation where he's fused with someone else.
Sure bro, admittedly, the Jabberwocky stuff was really minor so nothing will really change if I can remove it. Plus, there're some actual antifeats shown. (Sirzechs' peerage damaging it.) I'll just use this to support Substellar ratings for Maou Class. (Won't be a full on planetary since we don't know what type of destruction it'd be as the fireball could result in multiple.
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Based on what we know, he (or other characters like Vali) can’t just bring out their full power, even when he has Great Red’s flesh.
It’s safer to presume the same applies to the fusion, especially as Jabberwocky being a God Tier is not narratively supported.
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One more thing from the blog; Ophis doesn’t need a team to fight Great Red. The reason Khaos Brigade exists is that she was deceived by them, as stated in volume 16. They were afraid that a clash between Ophis and Great Red would destroy the world, so they deceived Ophis that they would take down Great Red for her.
And of course, we now know that Satanael was the real mastermind behind Khaos Brigade.
And of course, we now know that Satanael was the real mastermind behind Khaos Brigade.
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She did tho. She was deceived in their intention to actually help her, not the formation of the team itself. Ophis isn't exactly dumb or naive.
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That is what volume 16 suggests.
The world may have received that much damage if Great Red and Ophis had a battle. However, that didn’t happen. The leaders of the Khaos Brigade till now had been deceiving Ophis and were using her, but they didn’t let her fight Great Red because they knew it was dangerous.
They didn’t let her fight Great Red in the first place.
Now we also know from Slash Dog that Ophis did not even try to start Khaos Brigade herself. Satanael went to find her.
Satanael spoke.
“The longest living creatures in this world——dragons. Among them, said to be a Dragon God, is one endowed with the power of infinity……”
The witches understood.
“——Uroboros huh. The power of the ‘Snake’ of Uroboros……”
“Indeed, find Ophis.”
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To this Satanael replied.
“If it’s a name, I’ve more or less thought of one.”
After a moment’s pause, he said that name.
“——‘Chaos Brigade’, I think that is what we should name our gathering.”
Everything started from here——.
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Also, is speed supposed to be the next issue handled?
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That's not what I was arguing. From the perspective of Ophis, what would be the point of gathering a team if she could fight him by herself? Azazel says that defeating Great Red was the sole reason she allied herself with others, regardless of the Khaos Brigade's intentions, these were Ophis' intentions
Sure, but the only reason she actually joined them was to defeat Great Red, again, this is about the intention of Ophis, not the organization.
The when of it doesn't really matter much. It getting done as soon as possible would be for the best.
But aside from the Khaos Brigade/Jabberwocky stuff, does everything else look alright so far?
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For me it's look good
And about
Jabberwocky is not that strong only reason is Lucifer servants and other are unavailable to defeat jabberwocky is because of their regeneration ability
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The God Tiers seem fine to me.
On the subject of Issei's profile organization, I would prefer to organize it by power jumps.
But I find several problems with this, between Volume 1 and 2, Issei has a huge power increase and I don't think the Issei from Volume 1 deserves his own profile, so I would put it like this.
Profile: Issei Hyoudou (Beginning of the Series)
Key: Initial Base | Post-Training Base | Incomplete Balance Breaker
For the following profiles this occurs to me.
Profile: Issei Hyoudou (Post-Tannin's Training)
Key: Base | Balance Breaker | Cardinal Crimson Promotion | Incomplete Juggernaut Drive | Cardinal Crimson Promotion Post-Sun Wukong's Training | Diabolos Dragon God
Profile: Issei Hyoudou (Shin DxD)
Key: Base | Balance Breaker | Cardinal Crimson Promotion | Diabolos Dragon God(Pseudo) | | Diabolos Dragon God(True) | Apocalypse AnswerArms
It should be noted that this is only for statistics, not powers or abilities.
On the subject of Issei's profile organization, I would prefer to organize it by power jumps.
But I find several problems with this, between Volume 1 and 2, Issei has a huge power increase and I don't think the Issei from Volume 1 deserves his own profile, so I would put it like this.
Profile: Issei Hyoudou (Beginning of the Series)
Key: Initial Base | Post-Training Base | Incomplete Balance Breaker
For the following profiles this occurs to me.
Profile: Issei Hyoudou (Post-Tannin's Training)
Key: Base | Balance Breaker | Cardinal Crimson Promotion | Incomplete Juggernaut Drive | Cardinal Crimson Promotion Post-Sun Wukong's Training | Diabolos Dragon God
Profile: Issei Hyoudou (Shin DxD)
Key: Base | Balance Breaker | Cardinal Crimson Promotion | Diabolos Dragon God(Pseudo) | | Diabolos Dragon God(True) | Apocalypse AnswerArms
It should be noted that this is only for statistics, not powers or abilities.
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I think making the last profile Post Sun Wukong's training would be for the best. Good Ideas though, I'll try this kinda structure.
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DxD God Tiers
Since the cosmology was just updated, thought I'd post this thread detailing the characters that scale to it. Reasoning (shown in this blog) is self explanatory, I'll list the changes. These changes apply to all stats and the blog will be added to the explanation pages section to show the...
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I would at least prefer one profile of Issei to be simply just merging his Vol 1 and 2 versions together. Vol 1 to 2 may have had a huge jump, but it's not as big as the jumps he gets later like post 4 and up from there in between. Plus there isn't that much for Issei that he gets too ability wise so lumping them all together works just fine.
So Beginning/Early Series DxD can have Arc 1 as a whole.
The latter two profiles, if we're really going for 3 profiles of Issei to accommodate from start to current, those look fine to me so long as THOSE are where he's had the most dramatic changes he's got.
Even so, it's still better to list the PnA. Ichigo for Bleach has all of his abilities listed twice for his pre and post timeskip versions. Issei can probably do the same or we just link whatever is the proceeding profile we have of him so if his latest profile has all of the previous stuff, you could just say "Same as before" and just link to said profile but that's only if you want to take the lazy route lol.
Another thing, I think for all 3 profiles we should add a note on them detailing what version of Issei the profile covers so like if BoS Issei is just the first arc (Vol 1-2), we should make a note that says that only covers Issei of x volumes. Same for the other two so people can know what's what considering the weirdly placed power jump Issei develops (not helped with Ishibumi once tweeting how the first 21 + first half of 22 Volumes took place in a year's span LOL)
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I was thinking we should just name it by arcs.
Issei Hyoudou (Arc 1-2)
Issei Hyoudou (Arc 3)
And so on. Then list the specific keys for the armours he has for those story arcs.
We could probably merge the first two arcs from Volume 1 - 6 in one profile since he only had Balance Breaker, so that would be three keys for base, incomplete and complete Balance Breaker.
Edit: Oh yeah, there's Juggernaut Drive. Hmm.
Issei Hyoudou (Arc 1-2)
Issei Hyoudou (Arc 3)
And so on. Then list the specific keys for the armours he has for those story arcs.
We could probably merge the first two arcs from Volume 1 - 6 in one profile since he only had Balance Breaker, so that would be three keys for base, incomplete and complete Balance Breaker.
Edit: Oh yeah, there's Juggernaut Drive. Hmm.
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I still think TMI's was the best so far, I'll make the sandboxes later today. Watching Kamen Rider Build rn.
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