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Hax Battle: Ultra Instinct VS Kenbunshoku Haki (Color of Observation)

AguilaR101 said:
The show already adressed why his UI was failing and didn't one-shot kefla, he still hadn't perfected it and was spending time thinking about his attacks, when he got his hair struck by the beam he was clearly attacking.
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People making a big deal about his hair etc. UI is to avoid any danger, there is no danger if it hits his hair or jist a little bit of his elbow
 
Blanked said:
Well, UI is screwed against large AOE attack, while with precognition you can actually think of a way to dodge it.
If your precognition is good enough.
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im not so sure about UI being caught of guard just because AOE attacks, weve seen in db history where goku countered a point blank blast with one of his own, or how he kamehame the ground to flee from freeza blast, what says he couldnt do the same in UI against most AOE attacks? if the AOE attack blitz ofc, around same speed he has ways to instinctly dodge with said methods
 
UI wins for not needing precog in the first place. -:^

Also Precognition gives you a higher chance of dodging yes but it isn't as good as UI.

Precognition =/= Actual Speed and Reaction Time
 
@Mania it's not getting off guard. It's simple, fact he can't dodge it due to the AOE.

UI doesn't tell you what attack your opponent will use its just makes your body move the momement your opponents uses his attack, but if said attack has too big of AOE you just can't dodge it.

And it always depends on the type of the attack, cause you know not all AOE attack work like in DB.

Example: instant freezing with a certain AOE is something Goku can never dodge with UI.
 
@blanked i was not saying only dodging he can fire ki attacks back to deflect the explosions or range (UI can also instictly attack back, though right now goku cant do it, he will when UI is mastered) and as i said it was to some AOE, not all

edit: in gokus case he could probably teleport away as well given there's energy to hone in or just teleport to the back of the one who attacked him.
 
AoE attacks take out any sort of precognition and instincts, that is of course assuming it has a fast enough effect to the point the character in question wouldn't be able to leave its range.
 
Blanked said:
It's obvious he can defend against some AOE attacks. You don't need UI or precognition to do it.
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you made it seem he couldnt if it was large enough, UI assists in reacting in a way you couldnt without it as you dont need to think about how to dodge/strike back, it helps against all situations to a degree, normal attackss or AOE, obviously theres limitations as there are to anything, thats what i wanted to point out, sorry if i misunderstood your point.
 
IIRC, Luffy with his no-think skill could avoid attacks from Enel.

UI doesn't need to think. (However, Goku still need to think to attack).
 
A hair cut or an elbow graze isn't enough to say UI has "Trouble against AoE" when it's explicitly said that Goku didn't even master Ultra Instinct yet. and even then, the AoE of Kelfa who has firepower to 1-shot UI Goku after all her Danmaku was only able to cut his hair a little and GRAZE him. That's not "Trouble with AoE", that's a REALLY good track-record.
 
Says AoE because of the huge explosions > Called wank How nice. Already called wank. I don't recall insulting you now >->
 
Too bad he needs to concentrate on the place where he teleports to use instant transmission. It kinda contradicts the entire "instinctively" thing.
 
I mean, he's able to now completely focus on instant transmission since dodging is effortless now. So that's a good thing I guess
 
goku cant use instant transmission if the whole universe is destroyed, no proof was showned that he can teleport to other universes, and since his would blow up, he would need to tank the explosion.
 
Problem with that logic is, Goku's never had the need to go to another universe. While it is indeed a stretch to say he can right now, we can't completely rule that out, especially an UI buffed Goku.
 
the only ones showed to be able to do this where angel level beings, even hit needed help from the cube to do so and the god tier all used angels, meaning they probably cant or it would be very hard to do so alone, we only count feats when they are showed, guess work cant be applied here.
 
Doesn't Goku need to pin onto someone's energy source to use Instant Transmission, at least for long-distance? How the hell is he going to do that to cross over to another universe?

Also, when I asked about AoE, it was regarding Kefla's attacks grazing his elbow and hair. That is not an AoE.
 
Why not both? Seriously, CP9 have something similar. Imagine precognition combined with automatic reactions. How would you even hit someone like that? (omni-directional attacks not withstanding)
 
One Piece has a few abilities like UI. Haki, which has been mentioned thoroughly, Luffy's "Space Out" ability where he dodges completely based on instinct and can't be predicted, and CP9's "Paper Art" which allows them to reflexively dodge like paper and even reconfigure their bodies to assist in dodging.
 
You need to be on your deathbed to use UI, and it's short as hell. But Observation Haki is actual precog and you can use it from the get go
 
Abbadon616 said:
You need to be on your deathbed to use UI, and it's short as hell.
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That's because Goku hasn't yet mastered UI. Look at Whis he can use it effortlessly.
 
Observation Haki is better because you can overcome an insane speed difference due to having precog. UI if the enemy is faster then you can't dodge all of it
 
Same goes for observation haki, since it's weak. Doflamingo got his ass blitzed by Luffy and the only thing he could do was apply armament haki to where he was getting hit.
 
Y'all seriously have to appreciate how Oda somehow manages to perfectly make every ability in One Piece. Hopefully it'll stay that way instead of him giving the power hungry fans some stupidly broken shit like the Almighty.
 
I hope he makes the Kings haki something strong in any case at least for Luffy cause otherwise i don't see how he can surpass God tiers.
 
Blanked said:
Same goes for observation haki, since it's weak. Doflamingo got his ass blitzed by Luffy and the only thing he could do was apply armament haki to where he was getting hit.
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Because both of them had it so it didn't matter if doflamingo used observation Haki luffy could've done the same and evened the playing field
 
That's not how it works. Not to mention Luffy was filled with anger so he could of not used precog in any case.
 
Blanked said:
That's not how it works. Not to mention Luffy was filled with anger so he could of not used precog in any case.
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What I'm saying is luffy's precog counters doffy's Precog.
 
Without going into large explanation. Speed>weak precog.

Luffy having precognition to see what Doflamingo is going to do is not important to use because we base ourselves to what Doflamingo in fact did. Doflamingo didn't try to dodge because he couldn't as his preacog is not good enough to counter Luffy's speed advantage.

Also, again Luffy was angry so he couldn't use precog as he needs to be calm.

Katakuri can casually dodge Luffy's attacks with precog since he has a good precog even tho it was shown that Luffy was faster than him when for couple of moments Katakuri lost his calm and stopped using Precog.
 
an equal level of pre-cog vs another pre-cog user pretty much nullifies the effects. Luffy and Doflamingo don't even display anything above the average level of Observation haki, but if they're against someone w/ inferior or no pre-cog, the ability can be fully utilized. Of course they will both hit eachother. Even if one of them were superior w/ CoO, it is likely only marginal.
 
That's because Goku hasn't yet mastered UI. Look at Whis he can use it effortlessly.

What whis is using isn't UI. UI is a state of being, you need to be on your deathbed to use it. Whis is just using an inferior version of that combined with his speed
 
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