And how? He literally instantly adapted to a mark's amplification. And gyomei here starts off with mark off the bat. He'd react to this even faster with his compass.
Kept up for a panel, maybe, sure? But that doesnt change the fact akaza was dogging him.
I remember saying that feats on giyuu don't outdo gyomei lol.
This argument is garbage that it is really funny. It depends on the Hashira in question. Kokushibo, who could make short work of Akaza, literally stated it's been 300 years since he encountered someone on the level of Gyomei.
And this is even before Gyoemi manifested his mark and Transparent World.
gyomei can better predict.Let's start this off. Firstly, it was counted because he was the first one to vote, I don't think he checked the thread again.
Q1.
A1. Akaza's Compass precog exceeds TPW's precog. Why?
"(Transparent World makes his perception of time slow down and makes the user directly see their opponent's muscles, blood flow and movements which allows them to predict their next moves. Gyomei is capable of exactly imagining the opponent instead of seeing him, and can sense them)"
"(Compass Needle allows him to accurately sense a person's Battle Spirit, allowing him to predict their movements, discern their location in his surroundings (even from his blind spots), and find and instinctively aim for their weak points and vitals with such high accuracy that his attacks are described as "being attracted by magnets" and "clinging" to his opponents. Can tell someone's strength just by looking at them, and was able to discern that Kyojuro was a Pillar at a glance. Can instinctively respond to attacks with an appropriate counter, was stated by Giyu to learn to anticipate his every move and strike back with equal accuracy as the fight went on. He can effectively fight and discern his surroundings and track his opponents without a head (deaf and blind) solely through detecting Battle Spirit)"
You tell me which predicts better, something that is based on spirit, and he doesn't even need to see his opponent.
look... getting power-ups doesn't change anything because it's unknown how much he got. 'base' Kokushibo is much faster than akaza, but you don't want to admit it. After getting the rpl, he wasn't fast from Kokushibo. there is nothing about it.Q2.
A2. We discussed Why he wouldn't "get blitzed". RPL, Precog, Instinctive reaction. Pillars have RPL, Sure, but so do demons. And theirs is way faster.. Since you know, they are demons.
hereQ3.
A3. It literally says "it doesn't help that much." You're debunking yourself without me saying anything.
And where did you get this? this is not the wiki link of Instinctive Reaction. This is just a member putting an opinion on the thread.
After the panel I post, rengoku have advantage in speed. his ribs were broken because he didn't get power up and he gave the speed advantage after getting power up.
yeah he cant dodge
oh i remember, that's enough to say gyomei>akaza. lol
His feats too. I believe the clear trouble he has with Akaza is his ability to regrow his head. Even so, I still think he can last until daybreak.
Simple mistranslation. In the original manga, this is what he says.
Ignored all of my arguments.
Then why wasn't his head cut right off? He literally bends behind...
What?
What powerup?? He literally got slammed even after he was at death's door which grants this temporary amp. This is blatant NLFGoing against databook statements. You're taking an off-guard feat where Akaza's compass was not even active. It is stated that they fought and akaza gave him a challenge.
Getting power-ups doesn't change anything? I guess Akaza slams. Power-ups don't matter.
We don't really know since the databook does say they fought and Kokushibo had a challenge. The only feat we have from Kokushibo against Akaza is an off-guard Akaza that had his compass off.
I don't really care. You can vote on whoever you want. I'm just saying you kinda ignored my arguments.
As long as he is not badly injured from the akaza, it will be very simple for him to dodge his attacks and continue the fight.
I didn't compare Akaza to Gyomei with that statement. I'm pointing out how the argument "no one can beat.." is garbage because it depends on the Hashira question. It's been 300 years since Kokushibo met someone who is Gyomei's level. It is clear that Gyomei is one of the very few strongest Hashiras to have existed.
Where is it stated Akaza gave him a challenge? I heard that that was a onesided fight.
Because both you and I have been arguing circularly. That was going nowhere, that's why I shared my take and left.
Pretty sure it was said he liked the challenge and let the latter live because of that or something along those lines. Databooks of demon slayer are very hard to find in any language let alone english.
I see, the other guy did, my bad.
what argument??? you just posted a description from profile
I just wanted to point out that he couldn't dodge giyuu's attack completely.
I talked about the power up that akaza gets.What?
upper moon rankings enough
gyomei guards the sanemi. this explains why he 'blitzed'.And even then, who to say Kokushibo wasn't blitzing gyomei?
He was going to get hit by it regardless. This really doesn't change anything.
I told you to compare the two precognition abilities. And I want you to remember the fact that Gyomei doesn't have TPW on at all times and it is very temporary as seen in both the Muzan and Kokushibo fight. So he doesn't have precognition all the time.what argument??? you just posted a description from profile
He gets as strong as the battle spirit is. Are you saying Gyomei has less battle spirit than Rengoku Or Giyuu?
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Because he was still adapting to the mark, and it took almost no time at all, even.
Reply to the reason, please.
Alright.
So are you gonna explain what you meant? Or did you change your mind?
So, that's what I'm trying to say, you're putting it above Gyomei with feats on the giyuu. This is wrong
Ok, you are very hard to understand but let me try to compose it all for you.
Akaza will take a long time to keep up with Gyomei, also Gyomei sees attacks slowly with the transparent world and can react that way. Also, if he can completely destroy the akaza's body, he can overcome his regeneration (I don't think Gyomei can do that, but he can still overcome his regen that way.)
Nope. That is Selfless state. Has nothing to do with the transparent world. He only unlocked the Selfless state because of his memory of his dad. Gyomei has never been shown to use Selfless state, so you cannot give him this ability.
False. He took almost no time to adapt to a mark amplification.
He won't be able to...? demons have regenerated from that before, but even then, he won't be able to "destroy" Akaza like that.
Reaction Speed =/= Combat Speed.
I have to go, I'll be back soon
Yeah, this def is wrong.
Denzees right and Akaza wins, can't believe this is a debate
No. Not all signs provide the same buff. Also, when he wears a mark, he dodges his attack and attacks on top of him, barely fending off the akaza attack and still getting his arm amputated. Gyomei of Regen neg can achieve much higher achievements.
In terms of speed, it scales to Kokushibou. That is, seeing it slowly means that it can avoid attacks. After all, it scales to Kokushibou, which is faster than akaza.
It doesn't have to be on for a long time. He can react to his attacks and be defeated by blitzes and regen neg (at least he can get the upper hand).
Complete Head-Canon. They all just make you stronger. And this is irrelevant. they all presumably have the same amplification speed which Akaza showed RPL to.
Compass RPL. Which is faster than any RPL than what any hashira pulled off.
Regen neg won't do anything, sorry. Akaza resists Regeneration Negation up to High-Mid on his profile. He can still regenerate his head and he can fight back without a head, unlike Kokushibo.
Yes. everyone including the thread starter gets one vote.
Reason?
Vote Counted.
He still hasn't used it officially ever. We cannot just give him that ability, if they did use it, Muzan would've pointed it out as he did with Yoriichi.
I think that it would be possible to argue otherwise but that would belong into a CRT and I guess this topic hasn't really been discussed on the forum yet. I'd also like to note that it's a fact that Gyomei has these things listed on his profile and that they are treated by the profile as part of Transparent World which is something that Gyomei used, so if we say that Gyomei doesn't make use of these things, then the profile needs to be changed accordingly.
Yep yep, making a CRT on it right now.
Okay.
