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Precognition is also among the abilities Akaza has.
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(GRACE) Akaza VS Gyomei (7-2-2)
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Okay? So? I've already discussed this in another thread. They cut off Kokushibo's head with a red blade and he still regenerated his head.
Akaza also resisted Regeneration Negation from Hinokami Kagura attacks. This is irrelevant. Hell, even Hantengu's clones comment it doesn't stop regeneration completely, It just slows it down. So if Hantengu can resist it, so can Akaza. On a much larger scale, infact.
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While this is true, this just puts the match in Akaza's favor. Since both Precog and Instinctive Reaction make a great team.
I still haven't seen a debunk for Akaza's Weakness Detection and Enhanced Accuracy hits.
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This is false in this situation.
Akaza isn't getting 'blitzed' here. (Due to his death battle with kokushibo.) even if he was, his precognition would sense this and make him dodge accordingly.
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this shows kokushibo can regen red nichirin sword attacks.
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red nichirin sword = hinokami kagura??? lol red nichirin sword and hinokami kagura are not the same thing.
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I think that's a matter of potency since Kokushibo did die after seeing his reflection and getting attacked by Sanemi and Gyomei again and Giyu made a point of mentioning that Crimson Red Nichirin Blades won't work on Demon Tanjiro. There is also the fact that Yoriichi's red blade clearly works on demons like Kokushibo and Muzan, so a Crimson Red Nichirin Blade can clearly have an effect here if it is potent enough or the circumstances are favorable enough.
I just wanted to point it out. It isn't supposed to be an argument for anything.
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why akaza can't blitzed? gyomei is much faster than akaza
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And I gave proof why Akaza can as well.
Hell, even Hantengu's clones comment it doesn't stop regeneration completely, It just slows it down. So if Hantengu can resist it, so can Akaza. On a much larger scale, in fact.
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oh.. i seeAnd I gave proof why Akaza can as well.
Hell, even Hantengu's clones comment it doesn't stop regeneration completely, It just slows it down. So if Hantengu can resist it, so can Akaza. On a much larger scale, in fact.
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Did you read it? I explained it.
Akaza isn't getting 'blitzed' here. (Due to his death battle with Kokushibo, he said Akaza was a challenge, and didn't absorb him because he believed Akaza could have defeated him sooner or later, he states this after Akaza dies..)
This was simply Kokushibo giving up after seeing his own reflection.
And even then, why should an arguably stronger red boosted with Nezuko's flames do less damage than gyomei clashing blades into each other?
I also showed proof even Hantengu's clones could resist red blade nichirins, so why shouldn't Akaza, someone whos leagues above the clones resist them?
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Yes, but even so, Akaza can also regenerate his head. So this would be the same outcome for him, albeit making it harder for gyomei because of the compass.
Kokushibo also showed resistance to this by himself, and he doesn't have Type 8 Immortality. So this would prove if you can regenerate your head, you can negate red blades nonetheless. (Unless if you're fighting yoriichi.)
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Oh and also, Immortality Type 8 isn't in Hantengu's Profile. You might want to add it.
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It still looks like as if the attacks themselves contributed and Kokushibo wasn't simply dying on his own without the attacks as far as I can tell unlike Akaza who was willing his body to stop regenerating.
I'd argue that that instance of the red blade isn't stronger since Nezuko's flames were needed to get a red blade in the first place, so this isn't a red blade plus Nezuko's flames but an ordinary blade with Nezuko's flames which results in a red blade.
Immortality Type 8 isn't exactly the same as Akaza adapting to Nichirin sword decapitation, so I wouldn't necessarily view this the same way.
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That's for his clones and not for the main body. It is listed for his clones.
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what does that change??? he just thought that he could beat himself in the future, but compared to the current time, base kokushibo speed>>>>>>>akaza speed
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We don't know when this takes place, but we know he still gave him a challenge in the blood battle, which is also what he calls gyomei. This would put them in the same ballpark in speed.
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I really don't understand, nothing comes out of what you're saying
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Wouldn't this just add to my point? the man literally cannot even be killed by himself.
His neck was cut by Hinokami Kagura, which is the same regeneration negation listed in the profiles.
He wanted to stop regenerating after his head was cut, but he still couldn't.
This doesn't look like it. Kokushibo only starts crumbling AFTER he sees his own reflection and starts reflecting on his life.
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You take feats out of praise, and so do i. If he calls Akaza and Gyomei both a challenge, wouldn't this put them in the same ballpark? and hell, this is before Akaza even fought rengoku. So he didn't even get any RPL out of that.
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No, Akaza can kill himself since he successfully stopped his own Regeneration. Kokushibo didn't do that and instead started crumbling in the same spot where Muichiro stabbed him and then Sanemi and Gyomei smashed him into pieces where he couldn't continue fighting.
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After he had all the flashbacks, just like Akaza, Akaza wasn't dying without the flashbacks either.
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what???? i said gyomei can dodge and react base kokushibo's attack.
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RPL, Precognition, Instinctive Reaction. This would very much close the speed gap between the two.
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Alright, this one is the most controversial battle among all in demon slayer verse. So yes, it is not a stomp nor an easy match.
So for all:
Gyomei can't counter the compass needle of Akaza since, through his all characteristics, Gyomei's fighting spirit is high compared to other Hashiras. So this is an advantage for Akaza since he gets stronger. This also gave him a pre-judgment of the opponent's attack. This was also an issue with Rengoku battles.
Now, since Gyomei mark is activated, I think he can slightly win this if he got enough speed to overcome the whole fighting spirit problem (like if he got enough AP to cut him down with his nichiri chained spiked Flail and Axe.
Two ways exist to counter Compass. One is the Selfless State phenomenon, and the other is having much more power and speed than Akaza, despite not having the Selfless State trait. Marked Gyomei, with his STW, can easily beat Akaza in a 1v1 fight for a long time.
So I would say this is incon for me. The fact is, no one can beat upper moon 1 or 2 or 3 in 1v1 for a long time. But if gyomei is able to cut down his head and reduce his regeneration, Akaza may give up and kill himself (even tho I doubt it because he will enjoy the fight a lot). If gyomei is not fast enough to overcome him, I think Akaza got a chance to win.
A better match-up suggestion for me is Douma vs Gyomei (this is one of the interesting matchups ngl).
So for all:
Gyomei can't counter the compass needle of Akaza since, through his all characteristics, Gyomei's fighting spirit is high compared to other Hashiras. So this is an advantage for Akaza since he gets stronger. This also gave him a pre-judgment of the opponent's attack. This was also an issue with Rengoku battles.
Now, since Gyomei mark is activated, I think he can slightly win this if he got enough speed to overcome the whole fighting spirit problem (like if he got enough AP to cut him down with his nichiri chained spiked Flail and Axe.
Two ways exist to counter Compass. One is the Selfless State phenomenon, and the other is having much more power and speed than Akaza, despite not having the Selfless State trait. Marked Gyomei, with his STW, can easily beat Akaza in a 1v1 fight for a long time.
So I would say this is incon for me. The fact is, no one can beat upper moon 1 or 2 or 3 in 1v1 for a long time. But if gyomei is able to cut down his head and reduce his regeneration, Akaza may give up and kill himself (even tho I doubt it because he will enjoy the fight a lot). If gyomei is not fast enough to overcome him, I think Akaza got a chance to win.
A better match-up suggestion for me is Douma vs Gyomei (this is one of the interesting matchups ngl).
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He still wanted to fight and was crumbling against his own will.
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That is.. not what happened. He stopped regenerating when his wife came. I can show panels.
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I'm referring to Kokushibo and not Akaza.
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Personally, I don't think this would happen, since for him to do that, he needs some sort of memory from the past. Gyomei doesn't resemble anyone at all. Lol.
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I see. My bad. Can you refer me which chapter you're talking about?
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I dont think you understand what RPL is.
Koku was demolishing all of them until they got their RPL boost. Which made them close to kokushibo in speed.
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That would be chapter 176. Kokushibo was clearly crumbling against his own will towards the end of the battle even before he pretty much gave up.
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Yeaaahhh this really seems because of the mental nerf he got.
He starts crumbling RIGHT HERE. Right after the
Looks like the same as Akaza's death to me, honestly.
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Personally, I'm still leaning toward incon or Akaza... But that's just me.
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This is why I said it is unfortunate since the match would be interesting and fun for Akaza
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Yeah. I don't think Akaza would be reminiscent of anything, more so even more excited to fight Gyomei.
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He still didn't decide to die at that point and was crumbling against his own will which I find notable in this case.Yeaaahhh this really seems because of the mental nerf he got.
He starts crumbling RIGHT HERE. Right after theplot armorI mean, right after he gets this flashback.
Looks like the same as Akaza's death to me, honestly.
