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Neither could vista, Vista is also possibly 6-B, so I don't know what you're getting at.
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Gol D. Roger vs Dracule Mihawk
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WOG is not above normal statements. also all statements are from the author
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I never said you said that, you just strawmanned me for saying that. They are competitors on the sea, and were stated to be RIVALS. This means they're relative to one another, they can't be way weaker than one another, which is why 6-B is where they come to a relative point.
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The author statements > what's shown especially if it's after, with more context into it. You're still derrailing.
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so why wont vista have a solid 6B key for been able to fight the strongest person in one piece evenly?
yes weaker in the context of everything, crew, influence, power e.t.c. not just strngth alone
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Not really unless the author is known to be consistent with what is shown
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Jozu doesn’t have a full on 6-B for hurting aokiji, even though I think him and jozu should both have it.
They’re still at a relative point which is 6-B, nothing states that shanks is significantly weaker than WB, especially when they’re shown to be relative with multiple statements, stated to be rivals with one another as well as WB = Shanks as a competitor which implies everything being equivalent in their cases, which is why they scale. Nothing disproved that.
this is the clear translation btw.
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I mean, those 2 statements refer to strength from the author, and being weak from sickness varies from person, which is what I e repeatedly said.
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Sickness always weakens sure it varies but whitebeard has shown to be weakened by it even before Marineford
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He’s on life support for his health, but nothing hindered him at MF, until squard stabbed him. Sure you can argue he got weaker after, but at the beginning of MF, he was definitely the same, until after he got weaker. You have to prove he was weaker before.
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I already explained why he was weaker which is that it is harder for him to do basic things and he strains himself more using his attacks
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Send a scan and prove it. Compare it with his prime. Basic things don't mean anything, go show those basic things to me.
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him standing up for example was harder and basic things do mean a lot
Also this thread is done basically nobody is arguing about the match
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okay? and a sick whitebeard can literally JUMP in the air multiple times. Standing up doesn't mean shit. Horrible comparison.
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If something is done with more effort then it means they are worse at doing that
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it's called PIS, WB struggled to stand up, but literally JUMPS in the air like a kangaroo lmao.
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This was totally uncalled for. Please don't be rude to others.
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Bro doesn’t Shanks’ databook say he used to be on Mihawk’s level then he downgraded to equals with WhiteBeard?
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Yeah, i think they're talking about 1 hand shanks, Roger's more experienced than shanks, oldbeard might not have been 100% when fighting 1 hand shanls/ Roger and 2 hand shanks would be similar in level i'd say. People are jerking off mihawk too much, because in marineford he wanted to ask the difference in level between him and oldbeard. Roger also causally beat oden without any problems, and that was 1 arm, what if he done a stronger divine departure with 2 arms, i feel like he could stop mihawk's strongest slashes. i'd say 2 hand shanks = Miawhk. i'd say roger > 2 hand shanks or atleast equal. I'll begin adding the votes. Just wanted to state my points
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Like tons of people are apparently country level, yet there's barley any island levels, like oden, is prob Island level, otherwise Zoro with ashura is now country level, because he was able to harm hybird kaido, or that Luffy is now country level, due to him being able to harm Kaido. Advanced COc Isn't really advanced its just flowing your haki, you flow your CoA which then can eternally destroy stuff. You're able to flow your conqueers, which allows you to physically harm with your willpower, than just be fodder control. I feel like most people who are country level (e.g marco, oden) are a 6-C and Higher with strognest attacks
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Nothing we have PUTS them at Island level. There's no sort of scaling or way to get them there. There's only one meta that's possible for their scaling and that is country level. Higher with strongest attacks makes no sense. You must be new to the wiki, because there's not a single 6-C calc those characters scale to, plus even if there was they already scale to 6-B characters.
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I agree, but Marco and Oden don’t scale to doffy, they scale far above him.
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Uhhmmm no the databook said he "grew" not "ungrow, downgrow" or whatever.
It says he eventually grew to be a competitor to WB
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Regardless, the databook says "Shanks was once as powerful as the world's best swordsman"
And the databook says he's currently equal to WB.
So idm.
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Voting incon via very little feats and screen time.
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Incon for now, but didn't Mihawk say that becoming the Pirate King is more difficult than surpassing him?
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Mihawk FRA
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That's not a strength based statement
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It’s still him saying it’s tougher to be a pirate king then the strongest swordsman in the world... which means it would be some sort of challenge for Mihawk to do.
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Being pirate king is exceeding these world strongest titles (Kaido, White beard, Mihawk)
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Being the pirate king involves you to travel the circumference of the planet and find 4 of the most secret poneglyphs, then find someone who can read them, then decipher them and find the last island, while having to fight multiple god tiers and escaping Marines.
Being the strongest swordsman involves you beating other swordsman.
Everything isn't strength based.
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to be the pirate king, u need to find all the red poneglyphs and find the One Piece, thats not rlly strenght based
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Yall are so desperate to turn a story about storytelling into powerscaling that yall turn every title or statement, regardless of if it's strength based or not, into a strength based statement.
The Pirate King has never been canonically stated to be a strength based title, especially for someone who has like 10 rivals
The Pirate King has never been canonically stated to be a strength based title, especially for someone who has like 10 rivals
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The Pirate King is just a title, we have seen in the manga that Roger is Equal to prime Whitebeard and not stronger than him.
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It's not a downplay, we are using the informations that we have
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