I'm not talking about Hybrids- Hybrids are truly immortal. They can never die.
He was on the verge of death due to his wounds, but I strongly disagree that he was unconscious. It'd be the only time it happens in JJK afaik, and it's never even stated he was unconscious.
Okay.
Agreed..
Such as...?
Devil's very much have minds and thoughts so irrelevant.
The Zombie Devil literally has a brain and is capable of action. He too, has a consciousness. Your using dawn of the dead zombie logic there, and even then most zombies still in fact have brain activity, hence why most of the time you need to aim for the head.
Human with thoughts.
Read above.
Read above.
Still humans with thought so this means nothing.
A severed head can still maintain consciousness for around 25-30 seconds, you know that right?
Read above, would also depend on how they died. Furthermore, if they lacked brain activity then Makima wouldn't be able to control them since for the 67th time, SHE SPECIFICALLY has to target the brain.
Kinda contradicting yourself there. Gojo got stabbed directly in the brain, which would cause instant death, not the verge of death. You just said that dead people do not have a consciousness, going by your own logic Gojo would have been dead, not near death.
Read above and you'd see that I never made the claim a dead person doesn't have a consciousness. Let me quote what I said directly so that way you can actually read what I said instead of making blatant misinterpretation of my words. I'd also really appreciate it if you stopped dodging half of the arguments I make.
Also furthermore, she didn't control the head for long because he ******* died afterwards.
Zombie Devil isn't dead, and for the record even zombies aren't "dead." they still have brains and brain activity albeit at a slower and less sophisticated rate. So there goes that argument.
Killed by Denji in the first chapter, literally sawed in half.
Beheaded by the Snake Devil in a suicide pact.
Shot to death by the American brothers.
A corpse is not conscious.
I could argue that more than 30s passed before Makima showed up, but it's unimportant as the other blatant examples exist which this supports. They are literally called Antemortem Devil Contracts.
Clearly the brain does not need to be active, given she uses Conquest to utilize Antemortem Contracts.
They probably need a brain, but consciousness is not required.
This is blatantly a mistake on her profile, as the reference is for the chapter where the Hybrids show up. Clearly it was added by someone who did not realize that Hybrids are immortal, and they never died.
False, that shit definitely made him unconscious. He was laid the **** out, laying on the ground bleeding out from nearly every part of his body, outside of the head-stab. Gojo's and RCT work on a subconscious level, same as infinity.
Namami never had his brain effected so bad comparison. Shit normal humans can survive much worse simply out of shock for awhile before dying so a sorcerer that's mainly physical like Nanami walking around with such injuries makes sense. One is stamina and endurance, the other is healing subconsciously.
eh devils have type 8 immortality you can kill em they just go back to hell and if they are killed there they pop right back up on earth so I don't think that is the best example but the others work fine
Again misinterpreting and twisting my words to fit your agenda. Very nice move there.
Devils have the ability to regenerate from such wounds.
Makima has life manipulation to bring people back to life. So again, no and stop ignoring the arguments made simply because your incapable of countering them.
Read above.
Luckily it's not a corpse but a revived human.
No you actually can't since you have no in canon time frame so you cannot make such an assumption. Secondly, nice job with a blatant association fallacy.
Read above. Antemortem means before death. In this case its a contract before they die, keyword "before." Antemortem does not mean dying or death, it's before death.
This is never stated nor implied. Once again, I'll kindly ask that you stop making things up for Makima and use what's on the profile.
Not to sound rude but that's not my problem. If it's on the profile and if it's wrong then make a CRT to fix it. A vs thread is not a CRT, so get that fixed or drop the argument.
Gojo has aura via the cursed energy page. This was literally proven to you earlier on in the thread to which you've ignored, something you continue to do.
I mean they can be killed lets not overhype them here, they simply have the best regen and survivablity in the verse but if they get oblitirated down to the last cell ( or as far as atomic and blow levels) they are unlikely to comeback as hybrids, their devil will pop up sooner or later due to the ties to concepts but the person who was a part of the hybrid more than likely would go poof.
They do change appearance after reincarnating (Bat Devil), so since Zombie looked the same it's very likely the same incarnation.
If you acknowledge that it's untrue despite being on the profile, I'm not gonna bother arguing about it. Please don't use a technical line of argument that you know is wrong.
Was it not agreed that Makima wouldn't be able to sense/see CE?
I meant "in Chainsaw Man".
And none of our arguments of auras in JJK working on people who can't see curses and a regular human being able to produce one were refuted
I mean she is not able to see it, but sensing it is on the table no matter what cuse we have examples of people with 0 CE and just enchanced sense's(nothing supernatural just the ability to see flactuations in temp and air resistence which allows them to "see" curses) so while she won't see the town sized aura of gojo as can be seen here
I mean not even in verse are they truly immortal there are ways to put down hybrids or atleast remove the devils from them
I don't need to do anything here, if it's on the profile it doesn't matter if it's false or true. In order to argue for the ability your looking for then you need to make a CRT. Literally all of what you said is irrelevant, now answer me.
yeah honestly both the verses need a good ol' rework
Agreed. I ain't a Makima simp but damn, her profile deserves some respect.
It's fine, I can honestly see the confusion there. Furthermore my apologies if it seemed like I was hostile, I was just somewhat confused by what you meant by that.
And the note itself is directly contradicted by her life manipulation. They both refer to the same exact feat, with that feat being accepted as her being able to bring the dead back to life. But the note is saying she can control the dead, despite that not being mentioned in her P&A section while also being contradicted by her ability to bring the dead back to life.
The referenced chapter for the "feat" of life hax is... her showing up with the Hybrids. Someone just forgot the Hybrids never truly died (they are true immortals), and added life hax to her profile.
We're doing Sukuna vs Makima once both of their profiles are fixed, dw
Alive and banging her brother.Nah she solos both.
Shes alive after all
The privilige of the powerful or some shit like that.
Makima is dead as ****, hoe ain't got no shoes. Bitch got no knees to pray on.Nah she solos both.
Shes alive after all
I meant Mei Mei solos both Makima and Gojou. Cuz shes alive and they are not.
Top tiers of jjk are going to be small city level
In AP? Probably not. There's still a lot of city - mountain level feats but we need to figure out how to calculate them like Gojo's big ass purple from recent chapters.
Depends on the calculations. We don't have them made yet due to us accepting Purple as void manipulation but the plan is to change it to deconstruction as we can calc shit from it.
Tf you mean? They ain't fighting, they'd be the best drinking buddies.
Nah it's from the 15 Sukuna calc of him using the fire arrow
Ah so that's one. I was talking about a few different feats that need to be calculated.
I feel like if he can actually focus on doing something it kinda proves he isn’t unconscious
