Let's do this again, Makima vs Gojo

[GunshyFever]

Wouldn't this be a outright stomp, if there is nothing Gojo could really do to stop Makima's corpse from moving somewhere and ritual Killing him?

Yeah, this match might be a stomp in Makima's favor. The scenario of immobilizing Makima by neutralizing her strategy has already occurred in the manga. Makima was caught off guard by a direct hit from a rocket launcher, followed by several armored gunmen rapidly shooting at her and her corpse to keep her from reviving, leaving her immobilized so the Anti-Makima squad could BFR her without the pain of actually fighting her. However, all these hunters were later shown to have been outright killed by Makima, who melted their brains, even as a corpse, or simply paralyzed them. (However you want to interpret how she killed them). But, it is clear that even while "dead" Makima can still utilize her abilities.

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

Yeah, stomp match:

Mind Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, & Madness Manipulation (Types 1 - 3; remained unaffected by Cosmo's attempt to use her ability on her,[35][36] and showed no reaction to the Darkness Devil's presence, despite having stronger senses than the fiends who had perceived his presence.[17])

 

[GunshyFever]

Mind Manipulation, Information Manipulation, Fear Manipulation, & Madness Manipulation (Types 1 - 3; remained unaffected by Cosmo's attempt to use her ability on her,[35][36] and showed no reaction to the Darkness Devil's presence, despite having stronger senses than the fiends who had perceived his presence.[17])

Tbh, damage transferal should probably be enough to deal with Unlimited Void on its own (or by headcannon, it's how Makima dealt with Cosmo in the first place).

 

[Pearly0nsams]

The idea of Gojo traveling the world and killing everyone with Japanese citizenship, one by one, from wherever they are, seems delusional... especially when the character with realistic wincons has methods that can kill him even while hes doing so...

 

[GunshyFever]

Someone should close this

 

[Livinmeme]

Gojo? Shit and Fini-Yeah, ok, this is an stomp.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

Gojo is constantly subconsciously refreshing his Brain with Reverse Cursed Technique to preserve his brain at all times which should be able to break him out of her control.

Makima's control remained on Reze despite her blowing her brains out.
so i doubt it

 

[Mickey1940]

Well, holy shit!

If speed was equalized, I'd still maintain that this is inconclusive.

But considering the absurd speed difference and the fact that Gojo and the rest of the Jujutsu Kaisen can't perceive characters moving at high hypersonic speeds, Makima. She just wins via blitzing and Teleportation, with Gojo having no good way to tag her.

And if we're making Gojo a Japanese citizen, he just gets stomped. Makima's contract is going to outlast and eventually kill him (since he is also a Japanese citizen he will hurt himself trying to destroy Makima) no matter what he tries to do. Meaning he will eventually just die in every scenario.

if speed is equalized, Makima still wins since neither can kill each other but Makima has Cosmo who just OHKOs

 

[TheRadiantSoul]

if speed is equalized, Makima still wins since neither can kill each other but Makima has Cosmo who just OHKOs

Read the rest of the thread. We already concluded this was stomp, as Makima can just decide where her corpse regenerates.

 

[GunshyFever]

Read the rest of the thread. We already concluded this was stomp, as Makima can just decide where her corpse regenerates.

Makima can't decide where her corpse resurrects, but she can attack while being "dead."

 

[Mickey1940]

Read the rest of the thread. We already concluded this was stomp, as Makima can just decide where her corpse regenerates.

the issue is that nothing she has besides Cosmo and her ritual can bypass Infinity

well, it's not really an issue, moreso an inconvenience

 

[Pearly0nsams]

the issue is that nothing she has besides Cosmo and her ritual can bypass Infinity

Yeah If you ignore all her control abilities, bio attacks, hell devil, mold devil and possibly some other abilities and contracts...

In the worst case scenario, Gojo looks at Makima, says "this looks unwinnable" and dies of exhaustion or hunger idk.

 

[ShadeyD]

So everyone agrees that is a stomp?

Which means I can't add this as a win?

 

[GunshyFever]

So everyone agrees that is a stomp?

Which means I can't add this as a win?

Unless someone can provide a reason how Gojo could win, this would pretty much be a mismatch.

 

[Mickey1940]

Yeah If you ignore all her control abilities, bio attacks, hell devil, mold devil and possibly some other abilities and contracts...

In the worst case scenario, Gojo looks at Makima, says "this looks unwinnable" and dies of exhaustion or hunger idk.

control abilities might just be her chains which is blocked by infinity

bio attacks require a ritual which needs prep time

hell devil needs to touch him which is blocked by infinity

mold devil is definitely a solid wincon tho. I didn't even know it existed

 

[Zabazab]

control abilities might just be her chains which is blocked by infinity

No, she does not need to use her chains. As seen with Aki and Angel.

bio attacks require a ritual which needs prep time

They do not. They're activated by a mere glare or point.

hell devil needs to touch him which is blocked by infinity

It doesn't.

 

[GunshyFever]

They do not. They're activated by a mere glare or point.

She doesn't need to glare at them as shown with the Anti-Makima squad.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

control abilities might just be her chains which is blocked by infinity

bio attacks require a ritual which needs prep time

hell devil needs to touch him which is blocked by infinity

mold devil is definitely a solid wincon tho. I didn't even know it existed

Damn you haven't even read the series...

 

[Mickey1940]

ok fine I admit it's been a while since I read the manga

why are we arguing this

we all agree Makima wins

 

[GunshyFever]

Someone should close this

^

 

[Robo432343]

does gojo have at least 1 wincon

 

[Zabazab]

does gojo have at least 1 wincon

Kill Makima over a hundred million times.

 

[GunshyFever]

Kill Makima over a hundred million times.

That's not a wincon since he cant achieve it.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Kill Makima over a hundred million times.

The result remains the same either ways, but when you think about it I wonder how would Makimas Contract interact with Aging Devils world? There are a lot of japanese people there, they can be damaged but can never be killed. An absolutely perfect supply for damage transfer contract... Hmmm

Devil Contracts must be able to affect the entire CSM verse but Denji's hybrid contract also negated by it and people there refers human world as "the real world"

 

[GunshyFever]

The result remains the same either ways, but when you think about it I wonder how would Makimas Contract interact with Aging Devils world? There are a lot of japanese people there, they can be damaged but can never be killed. An absolutely perfect supply for damage transfer contract... Hmmm

Devil Contracts must be able to affect the entire CSM verse but Denji's hybrid contract also negated by it and people there refers human world as "the real world"

This is a question which can be discussed in the CSM discussion thread.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Kill Makima over a hundred million times.

Isn't Gojo himself a Japanese citizen? That would mean he'd have to kill himself to defeat Makima.

Anyway, this seems like a stomp for Makima (it's kind of funny how different the result it is compared to Death Battle's).

 

[GunshyFever]

Isn't Gojo himself a Japanese citizen? That would mean he'd have to kill himself to defeat Makima.

It wasn't specified so automatically 1997 Japan's population in the Chainsaw Man universe.

(it's kind of funny how different the result it is compared to Death Battle's).

It's funny because they mentioned her bio hax which mess up her opponents internals, but didn't even allow her use it. (It's Makima's starting move second to her control).

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

It wasn't specified so automatically 1997 Japan's population in the Chainsaw Man universe.

Ok, I guess (dang, I wanted Gojo to kill unintentionally kill himself, it's such a funny win-condition).

It's funny because they mentioned her bio hax which mess up her opponents internals, but didn't even allow her use it. (It's Makima's starting move second to her control).

They also didn't mention a lot Makima's other Devil Contracts like the Hell Devil. What's even funnier is that let Makima's "Bang" bypass Limitless (though, for whatever reason, they argued that Makima's Control/Conquest wouldn't work as well on Gojo since he's pretty strong and well-known).

 

[GunshyFever]

(though, for whatever reason, they argued that Makima's Control/Conquest wouldn't work as well on Gojo since he's pretty strong and well-known).

It is arguable that her Conquest wouldn't work since Gojo does have decent fear inducement, which wouldn't negatively affect Makima but is enough to make her think, "Okay, there's something different about this one." However, if it weren't for that, Makima would likely see Gojo as just some random guy who knows her identity and needs to be neutralized instantly. And just kill him with a stare.

The only difference in what happens is that Makima might want to see what Gojo is capable of and will simply leave one or more of her henchmen to fight him to gauge her opponent. Then, after Gojo defeats them, she would probably return, pull a Darkness Devil (or shrine), and add a powerful tool to her arsenal.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

It is arguable that her Conquest wouldn't work since Gojo does have decent fear inducement, which wouldn't negatively affect Makima but is enough to make her think, "Okay, there's something different about this one." However, if it weren't for that, Makima would likely see Gojo as just some random guy who knows her identity and needs to be neutralized instantly. And just kill him with a stare.

Don't most Devils have fear inducement?

The only difference in what happens is that Makima might want to see what Gojo is capable of and will simply leave one or more of her henchmen to fight him to gauge her opponent. Then, after Gojo defeats them, she would probably return, pull a Darkness Devil (or shrine), and add a powerful tool to her arsenal.

That does sound like something she'd do.

 

[GunshyFever]

Don't most Devils have fear inducement?

Yes, or more specifically social influencing, but the Darkness Devil does so, and at an extreme rate as well. The point is that Makima is likely to notice Gojo's aura but won't be negatively affected by it.

That does sound like something she'd do?

That's because this is something she does. Makima never fights against an opponent without a plan unless she underestimates their abilities (as was the case with the Blood Devil). However, that situation was unique because Makima knew Power and, mid battle, used specific tools from her arsenal to turn the odds in her favor (because Power had shown off her limited skilletry). Yet, she didn’t control the Blood Devil right away, either because she respected her Awakened abilities or simply saw her as a hindrance rather than a necessity as her goal in that fery momment was to re-claim the fallen Chainsaw Devil. Aside from those mere 10 seconds of the initial battle, every major battle Makima has participated in (20% Gun, Yakuza attack, Awakened Pochita) has been planned in advance. In the rare moments where she didn’t plan ahead (such as D-EMP Santa), she left to one of her capable troops, like Denji.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Yes, or more specifically social influencing, but the Darkness Devil does so, and at an extreme rate as well. The point is that Makima is likely to notice Gojo's aura but won't be negatively affected by it.

Ok.

That's because this is something she does. Makima never fights against an opponent without a plan unless she underestimates their abilities (as was the case with the Blood Devil). However, that situation was unique because Makima knew Power and, mid battle, used specific tools from her arsenal to turn the odds in her favor (because Power had shown off her limited skilletry). Yet, she didn’t control the Blood Devil right away, either because she respected her Awakened abilities or simply saw her as a hindrance rather than a necessity as her goal in that fery momment was to re-claim the fallen Chainsaw Devil. Aside from those mere 10 seconds of the initial battle, every major battle Makima has participated in (20% Gun, Yakuza attack, Awakened Pochita) has been planned in advance. In the rare moments where she didn’t plan ahead (such as D-EMP Santa), she left to one of her capable troops, like Denji.

Sorry, I made a typo. I meant to use a period, but I put a question mark instead.

I was agreeing with you.

Sorry to make you type all of that, but I still appreciate it since it's pretty interesting and useful.

 

[GunshyFever]

Sorry, I made a typo. I meant to use a period, but I put a question mark instead.

I was agreeing with you.

Sorry to make you type all of that, but I still appreciate it since it's pretty interesting and useful.

No worries, I just felt like elaborating.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

No worries, I just felt like elaborating.

Cool.

 

[ShadeyD]

So I should probably close this thread