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Let's do this again, Makima vs Gojo

I also think we are undermining how much faster Makima is than Gojo here. Especially reaction speed wise.
Gonna play Devil's Advocate (or would be it Deus Advocate in this case?), in that chapter where Yuji hit 8 black flashes, Gojo said that if hitting a black flash was only a matter of speed/timing, then he'd be able to hit them at will, meaning he might have 0.000001 second reactions.

Even then, that'd only be to perception/applying CE though, since he's never displayed speed anywhere close to Gun Devil shenaniganry.
 
Red only has high AP within close range destruction, plus at that effective range, Cosmo only has to say holloween once for her ability to activate.
That doesn't really matter. Gojo can one-shot most of The Devils with literally anything as he has on Average High 7-C AP with most of his attacks, I don't see him getting overwhelmed because of that.
Hundreds of KM with halo and interdimentional with Princi. Gojo won't be able to get anywhere near the maximum distance she can teleport to, nor will he know where she is.
This is fair, I thought you were referring to this Teleportation. Though again, I feel like this isn't really in character and will be extremely hard to achieve whilst Gojo is constantly shooting AOE Blast at her.
Never said it did. However it also clearly can't BFR people whenever it wants.
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This is false as Makima does use multiple devil abilities in character when she has to
When has she ever used Cosmo to madness hax someone at the start of a fight?


I also think we are undermining how much faster Makima is than Gojo here. Especially reaction speed wise.
How does that help?
 
Makima survives Blue, Red, Purple, and Black Flash simply from just facetanking it and letting her immortality do the job

Makima is immune to Infinite Void since she completely ignored Cosmo who has the same thing

Makima can summon Cosmo herself

Assuming Makima's mind control is solely based on her chains, her only wincon is Cosmo. If not, then she just mindhaxes him passively
Gojo's only wincon is killing her several millions of times

Makima gets my vote here
 
How does that help?
By the current insane speed difference, Makima could just use the Joestar Secret Family technique and run away, ROFL-blitzing Gojo in the process, grab a random person on her way to the nearest shrine, violate the visitation hours, plonk their unnamed ass down on the ground, make them say "Satoru Gojo," and then Hydraulic Press Devil him.

A near thirty-times speed gap is utterly enormous, let alone the absurd several-hundredfold difference in reactions.
 
With a quadrillion times faster reaction speed, Makima instantly attacks Gojo with the bio manip and while he is on the ground covered in blood, she can just chain him... It also gives her more than enough time for Halloween/bfr.

Can't Makima just use these guys in her chains and send Gojo to hell whenever she wants? With like a split-second telepathic communication?

not to forget death ritual... she can use princi to summon herself away if needed.
 
Gonna play Devil's Advocate (or would be it Deus Advocate in this case?), in that chapter where Yuji hit 8 black flashes, Gojo said that if hitting a black flash was only a matter of speed/timing, then he'd be able to hit them at will, meaning he might have 0.000001 second reactions.

Even then, that'd only be to perception/applying CE though, since he's never displayed speed anywhere close to Gun Devil shenaniganry.
That's not reaction speed, moreso perception speed.
That doesn't really matter. Gojo can one-shot most of The Devils with literally anything as he has on Average High 7-C AP with most of his attacks, I don't see him getting overwhelmed because of that.
Does that really matter though? All her troops have 2 lives (which he doesn't know about) leaving him open for attack.
This is fair, I thought you were referring to this Teleportation. Though again, I feel like this isn't really in character and will be extremely hard to achieve whilst Gojo is constantly shooting AOE Blast at her.
Makima can just simply distract him with a legion of Devil hunters, Hybrids and Devil's. (All of which have regenerative abilities through the consumptionof blood.)
Never said it did. However it also clearly can't BFR people whenever it wants.
Makima can simply sacrifice a random person and just send him away.
When has she ever used Cosmo to madness hax someone at the start of a fight?
Not Cosmo specifically, but it is in character for Makima to formulate a plan and take down her opponents. She doesn't have to summon Cosmo at the very beginning of the fight, but after gaining some distance and getting an understanding of Gojo's abilities (via reading his mind). He kinda just dies to any of her one-shot moves, heck, he is prone to death by her devil hunter troops who can spawn internal attacks, such as the Mole Devil, which cannot be regenerated (including what Elaj said about verses not being equalized).
How does that help?
She littlerally cannot be caught off guard due to the immense speed difference, not to mention she has auto precognition.

Gojo's only wincon is if he can get a clean purple in and that is if it can erase every single molecule in her body.
 
By the current insane speed difference, Makima could just use the Joestar Secret Family technique and run away, ROFL-blitzing Gojo in the process, grab a random person on her way to the nearest shrine, violate the visitation hours, plonk their unnamed ass down on the ground, make them say "Satoru Gojo," and then Hydraulic Press Devil him.

A near thirty-times speed gap is utterly enormous, let alone the absurd several-hundredfold difference in reactions.
Well, holy shit!

If speed was equalized, I'd still maintain that this is inconclusive.

But considering the absurd speed difference and the fact that Gojo and the rest of the Jujutsu Kaisen can't perceive characters moving at high hypersonic speeds, Makima. She just wins via blitzing and Teleportation, with Gojo having no good way to tag her.

And if we're making Gojo a Japanese citizen, he just gets stomped. Makima's contract is going to outlast and eventually kill him (since he is also a Japanese citizen he will hurt himself trying to destroy Makima) no matter what he tries to do. Meaning he will eventually just die in every scenario.
 
It kind of can though? Makima needs to either pay it in sacrifice or Conquer it to make it act, but it's not like there's a hard restriction on Hell Devil's BFR.
I am saying that The Hell Devil has to be near its target to BFR them. And Gojo can just destroy it before it does.


Does that really matter though? All her troops have 2 lives (which he doesn't know about) leaving him open for attack.
He can just one shot them again.


She littlerally cannot be caught off guard due to the immense speed difference, not to mention she has auto precognition.

Gojo's only wincon is if he can get a clean purple in and that is if it can erase every single molecule in her body
I do agree here that Makima is going to stomp here via Attrition and Speed Alone.

Hollow Purple isn't even EE anymore so thats not going work.

If speed was equal then it would be Incon FRA
 
I am saying that The Hell Devil has to be near its target to BFR them. And Gojo can just destroy it before it does.
All it takes is the swipe of a hand which appears as soon as the contract is completed. Plus his attention is being bombarded by multiple devils.
He can just one shot them again.
There's no second time, if it doesn't work the first time it's working the second time because then Gojo will be off guard. Worse if he decides to focus on Makima.
If speed was equal then it would be Incon FRA
If speed was equal it just allows Gojo to have a chance at tagging Makima, basically the same things apply here apart from the immense speed difference.
 
his attention is being bombarded by multiple devils.
All of which he can one-shot Instantly with a AOE Attack


There's no second time, if it doesn't work the first time it's working the second time because then Gojo will be off guard. Worse if he decides to focus on Makima.
What!? Do you think he will just stand there and do nothing as the Devils resurrect. Its not like them resurrecting keeps Gojo from attacking again.
If speed was equal it just allows Gojo to have a chance at tagging Makima, basically the same things apply here apart from the immense speed difference
I disagree. He would be able to tag Makima more consistently and prevent her from running away.
 
All of which he can one-shot Instantly with a AOE Attack
Then he's gonna have a field day with the Ghosy Devil.
What!? Do you think he will just stand there and do nothing as the Devils resurrect. Its not like them resurrecting keeps Gojo from attacking again.
If Gojo pays attention to the resurrecting devils, Makima gets distance and he dies, if Gojo ignores them and pays attention Makima they kill him.

I disagree. He would be able to tag Makima more consistently and prevent her from running away.
So did the Darkness Devil who is physically faster than her and she still got away whilstbeing pierced in the chest by SOD. Not to mention she has faster - near instant means of long distance travel such as Princi.
 
Then he's gonna have a field day with the Ghosy Devil.
Can Ghost even hurt him? It's like Building level.
If Gojo pays attention to the resurrecting devils, Makima gets distance and he dies, if Gojo ignores them and pays attention Makima they kill him.
I think the Six Eyes allows for multi-tasking.
So did the Darkness Devil who is physically faster than her and she still got away whilstbeing pierced in the chest by SOD.
Plot Armor.
Not to mention she has faster - near instant means of long distance travel such as Princi.
Can't she only move to Princi's location though, since she comes out of her zipper-face?
 
Can Ghost even hurt him? It's like Building level.
Distraction. Kinda like what Mirio was doing to Shigaraki in the final war.
I think the Six Eyes allows for multi-tasking.
Not really? Well I mean, he can use a blue to force them all to one place and kill most excluding Makima.
Plot Armor.
Doesnt exsist in Chainsaw Man.
Can't she only move to Princi's location though, since she comes out of her zipper-face?
Yeah, she can just command Prinici to tp her a certain distance or just halo her own way there.
 
That's not reaction speed, moreso perception speed.

Does that really matter though? All her troops have 2 lives (which he doesn't know about) leaving him open for attack.

Makima can just simply distract him with a legion of Devil hunters, Hybrids and Devil's. (All of which have regenerative abilities through the consumptionof blood.)

Makima can simply sacrifice a random person and just send him away.

Not Cosmo specifically, but it is in character for Makima to formulate a plan and take down her opponents. She doesn't have to summon Cosmo at the very beginning of the fight, but after gaining some distance and getting an understanding of Gojo's abilities (via reading his mind). He kinda just dies to any of her one-shot moves, heck, he is prone to death by her devil hunter troops who can spawn internal attacks, such as the Mole Devil, which cannot be regenerated (including what Elaj said about verses not being equalized).

She littlerally cannot be caught off guard due to the immense speed difference, not to mention she has auto precognition.

Gojo's only wincon is if he can get a clean purple in and that is if it can erase every single molecule in her body.
I don't think HP would be enough for Makima.

Denji was almost sure blowing her up wouldn't kill Makima(An incap Makima who can't even regen, there is nothing she can do other than burning down to ashes)

Kishibe, an experinced hunter from Public Safety also didn't have any way of killing Makima when Public safety canonically uses flamethrowers and easily geting past high-mid chainsaw zombie regen
 
We can go by the illustration of Gojo’s whole brain being damaged or that he only damages one spot, doesn’t matter much since either way this happened four times and he lost full rct output and domain expansion, two things that make or break his win here.
 
Yes I think Gojo is going to care about a severe brain haemorrhage, brain damage has the potential to be instantly fatal and at the very least inhibits Innate Techniques.
Again, I have shown that Gojo can survive much worse with RCT (which he can use almost instantly). He has also been stabbed in the head before.

Also don't sorcerers have some degree of resistance to Biological Attacks. As shown here:

 
Again, I have shown that Gojo can survive much worse with RCT (which he can use almost instantly). He has also been stabbed in the head before.
We can go by the illustration of Gojo’s whole brain being damaged or that he only damages one spot, doesn’t matter much since either way this happened four times and he lost full rct output and domain expansion, two things that make or break his win here.

Also don't sorcerers have some degree of resistance to Biological Attacks. As shown here:

That’s soul hax…
 
OP did equalize speed. But i do agree that Gojo isn't outright winning this without prior knowledge, just disagree with most of y'all's takes on how this would play out.

The best he could do is force a Incon by spamming her with Reds, Blues, Purples.
 
I do gotta ask how this could end with anything other than Makima winning, when Gojo's only wincon is "kill Makima a hundred million times, sacrificing all of Japan". She could sit on her ass picking her nose for a week and Gojo wouldn't be any closer to beating her, meanwhile she has like 5 abilities that either outright beat Gojo or make beating him much easier.

How could Gojo spamming Reds, Blues, and Purples possibly lead to incon?
 
I do gotta ask how this could end with anything other than Makima winning, when Gojo's only wincon is "kill Makima a hundred million times, sacrificing all of Japan". She could sit on her ass picking her nose for a week and Gojo wouldn't be any closer to beating her, meanwhile she has like 5 abilities that either outright beat Gojo or make beating him much easier.

How could Gojo spamming Reds, Blues, and Purples possibly lead to incon?
Me when Gojo can actually kill all of Japan in a day (he's supersonic+, likely hypersonic if things go right). But realistically, he should be capable of such a feat.

As an example Japan from north to south is over 3000km, going at mach 3.5, it'd take him just 40mins. At Gojo's speeds and the fact he can teleport, he could theoretically get it done in a day or more. Blue, Red both have massive aoe if he wants, Purple specifically we've seen can cover 4km and severely damage the area and he can fire them off constantly. Gojo just isn't into killing a whole country.
 
Worse, he doesn't know how the contract works, and not all Japanese citizens are currently in Japan (1,293,565 782,568 in 1997, people with Japanese Citizenship to be precise). When he goes off into his shenanigans of murdering a country Geto style, he just gets crushed into a paste via ritual, or several moles randomly grow inside his vital organs, which can’t be regenerated, or his gut and brain just explodes from the inside out. I was hesitant to think it, but there might not be a possible way for Gojo to win here.

Edit: Also, the chance of Makima's "lives" decreasing is slim as any damage she takes will probably just be transferred as toothache to some 5 year old who thinks brushing once a week is hygienic.
 
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I do gotta ask how this could end with anything other than Makima winning, when Gojo's only wincon is "kill Makima a hundred million times, sacrificing all of Japan"
The fact that Gojo is capable of one-shotting Makima and all of her minions with any attack? As he is High 7-C?

He could spam projectiles for as long as he wants whilst Makima would sit idly there and resurrect, being unable to do much about it or react. Slowly dwindling down all of her minions until it is just her?. And don't tell me this is out of character, either. Gojo will spam projectiles against someone if they are taking forever to kill, or he just wants to kill out a wide area.

He might not even know, or care about the contract to begin with. As they start off with no prior Knowledge to eachother, so he wouldn't feel reluctant to do this.
 
He could spam projectiles
Makima would sit idly there and resurrect
unable to do much about it or react.
So, are we going to ignore the fact that Makima can also spam projectiles as well, considering she also has quantity of abilities in her favor, with hers being the "faster" ones? Especially considering her attacks don’t even need to travel, practically insta killing Gojo. Plus, if Makima gets killed multiple times, she can simply choose to move her "corpse" even while dead, using direct damage transferal. (She doesn't have to and probably wont need to, as after 5 minutes after observing him she'll just point at him and call it a day).
None of these cases are just him spamming projectiles.
 
So, are we going to ignore the fact that Makima can also spam projectiles as well, considering she also has quantity of abilities in her favor, with hers being the "faster" ones? Especially considering her attacks don’t even need to travel, practically insta killing Gojo. Plus, if Makima gets killed multiple times, she can simply choose to move her "corpse" even while dead, using direct damage transferal.

Wouldn't this be a outright stomp, if there is nothing Gojo could really do to stop Makima's corpse from moving somewhere and ritual Killing him?

None of these cases are just him spamming projectiles.

Yes, they are. Though I suppose this a mute argument anyway, since Makima can just arbitrarily decide where she resurrects so Gojo will have to find her again, everytime she resurrects, making this unreliable an strategy.
 
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