I was doing some research for a video and came across this from 2022. Wanted to debunk this.
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There are a few objective problems with this statement from Deagon.
The first, that the entire next 50 posts totally ignored that Morrison here directly explains what the Cosmic Armor Superman is. It is the Multiverse, it is the Flaw, it is existence, and it is also a big ol' machine metaphor. The big story piloted by Superman was the Cosmic Armor. It is also not the first time DC references the entire Orrery as a workable machine.
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The next problem is the oversight of context and chucking it right out the window. Grant's context of the Orrery during Final Crisis was meta. The Orrery of Worlds includes every other franchise and the Orrery is a reference to Stories on a meta level, as Grant repeatedly explains the reasoning for the comic is to showcase the lines between the real world and the realm of fictional space. Grant calls Fictional Space Plane Time. And our world as Cube Time. Grant then goes to extremely lengths to repeat that nothing from Fictional 2D Plane Time can go to 3D Plane time, otherwise, it would not be real. Here are some video links from Grant explaining this.
These interviews and more are from the SuperGods Interview series, which was about a book that Grant wrote some time ago where he explains that he was taken by abstract entities that he later wrote into the comic series as the Nil Monitors:
This was also shown in the guidebook as a place with a barrier around it that no fictional property can escape from. The following marks on this snapshot are not mine, they are Grants from the Multiversity Guidebook.https://media.**********.net/attachments/1147062029895602196/1214937249159057438/Multiversity_Map_Fictive_Membrane.jpg?ex=65faed7c&is=65e8787c&hm=432d8aaefda27c86b82ba04546bb8c1a2d54405e9af093427d0e70ef82c5a468&=&format=webp&width=1081&height=590
We are told, many times, that Grant's version of this is not the same as other authors version of the Orrery and Bleed. The Bleed contains all the other franchises and Grant goes to explicite length to denote repeatedly that they are not analogues.
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So, Deagon and friends, when you say the Presence is the Overvoid, that is actually debunked directly by the author here in this series. This is not true for Scott Snyder's revision series from Metal to the end of Dark Crisis. That is a different canon and you can say whatever you want about it. For Grant's though (FC to Multiversity) you cannot say this.
The reason is beacuse this author has gone to such absurd lengths to make reasers understand that DC Comics is next to all the other franchises in the Orrery.
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Grant has explained this so many times that I don't understand why others do not protest against any counter-statements to this objective data that other users try to make.
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Grant here in this interview explains how this story is about how the lines between the IRL world and the realm of all Fictional Spaces are both related to each other.
The Presence is from the DC comics and Vertigo section of the Orrery, and NOT from Marvel, or Archie, or any other section of the Orrery. The Presence is a DC Comics GOD that we clearly see is not the ultimate god of the Sea of Brahma in the Vertigo 2000 series.
So to say the Presence from DC > Every single god ever and even one as a reference to something exterior the fictive plane, is silly and just flat out debunked.
Scalers understand that Aslan from Narnia is in context, explained by the author to be Jesus essentially having a vacation in a book series. Not that Aslan is like Jesus, but that Aslan literally is Jesus from a nonfictional context invading and playing inside of a book fictional space.
The same for Eru Illuvitar, as the author explains the context is nonfictional Yahweh's earlier creation before ours here on this world. Before Lucifer, before our world, LoTR took place on our Earth in context.
The same applies to the Overvoid, a nonfictional reference to the Ain Soph of the Kabbalah and also the Hinduist Voidist viewpoint called the Ain/Ein.
So to say the DC Comics/Vertigo Comics character made of ink and story, which is not the ultimate God of Bleedspace in Grants version, nor was the ultimate god in the Veritgo series, is actually the same entity as what is outside of the fictive plane that oversights all fictional franchise and spaces, is silly and nonsensical.
The Presence of DC Comics is not the Overvoid of the Morrison series, because the Presence is made manifest inside of the DC continuum. And so is the Hand of the Source. Yet, Grant also tells us many times the Overvoid as the Source is far beyond the 2d Plane.
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I know this post was made in 2022 but lately, I've seen more users referencing the same debunked notions in this original statement I copied in the beginning of this thread. That is misinformation. It is also debunked directly by the author statements, and also because it is misinformation, others don't read the scans in question and are not made aware that the author confirms the context of what the Source really is, multiple times, what the CAS is, multiple times, and what the Presence is in relation to the Orrery of worlds is, multiple times.
