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- Yeah right because Marvel themselves have absolutely no idea what their Continuity is or how it works and all the statements they make apparently mean nothing and can just be ignored.
That's not what I said.
- And of course, Jim Lee (DC's CCO and Publisher) himself and Scott Snyder are so clueless on their own characters and their own Continuity to point where they can't even determine what is or isn't Canon to it.
That's not what I said.
- I'm telling you, if there were no author statements, you would be asking for them because they're the ones who wrote the material. But now you have the companies, creative team and writers telling you the same thing yet you are still not satisfied.
This isn't an argument. Even if its objectively true that my arguments are horrible and egregiously flawed, that doesn't suddenly indicate anything about Fortnite's canon.
- What is the point of Canon Crossovers if you cannot accept them as Canon despite the Authoritative figures telling us that it is Canon and takes place within the main Conitnuity?
This is meaningless.
 
I'm going to make one last post before I hop off for the time being.

The vast majority of scans in the OP are just promotional advertisements or statements from a few Marvel/DC writers that are not indicative of official canon.

I'm also 99% sure the Batman and Thor comic runs that OP uses as evidence to say Fortnite is canon to the mainline comics are one-off Elseworld stories that are not connected to the main narrative though admittedly I could be wrong about that.

Additionally if we treat the crossovers as canon we would HAVE to say that the Zero Point, Presence, and Divine Creator are the SAME being which is extremely nonsensical and explicitly violates our rules on Tier 0.
 
No, what you listed was mostly just a bunch of meaningless promotional hype. Donny Cates isn't an absolute authority on Marvel Comics either.

I won't comment on Invincible and LEGO stuff, I'm not all that knowledgeable on them though I still highly doubt they are canon.

Not an indication that the crossover is canon or that DC and Fortnite share a cosmology.

How does this mean the crossover is canon, let alone that Fortnite and DC share a cosmology.

This is literally all meaningless promotional hype.

Isolated statements of a few writers for DC that consider the crossover to be canon are absolutely not an indication of a shared cosmology. Even taking these statements at face value doesn't indicate the crossover is canon on both sides and trying to cross scale the cosmologies or any characters is even more egregious.

Again, just meaningless promotional hype. It doesn't matter how much the crossover is advertised, that does not mean it is canon.

These do not indicate canonicity at all. Every crossover ever can be considered a combination of two worlds.

The story of Creation in Fortnite is that everything was made from the Zero Point. In DC, it's different. Simple as that.

There is no shared continuity.

The Zero Point being mysterious doesn't prove anything.

Batman has stated that many things are "outside of reality", "beyond the multiverse", and similar statements before. This doesn't prove anything.

No, this has not been agreed upon.

You should really do that now so that we can be sure you are not trying to scale Fortnite characters to egregiously high tiers like High 1-A.


No, what you listed was mostly just a bunch of meaningless promotional hype. Donny Cates isn't an absolute authority on Marvel Comics either.

I won't comment on Invincible and LEGO stuff, I'm not all that knowledgeable on them though I still highly doubt they are canon.
- You are proving my point. If only the author says its Canon, its a problem because he apparently doesn't have authority over his work or its impact (even though that is not how the comic book industry works at all).

- But if the Company itself says it, its apparently only promotional material and cannot be true at all. Because apparently everything they say is just for hype. because apparently statements cant be both promotional and true at the same time. Because apparently Companies are supposed to just stay silent and not say anything during an event that is special because it is driven by the fact it is canon because apparently anything they say during that is just hype and promo and not valid at all. And apparently everything is a promo window despite that not being how promo works.

- And even if the SVP, the EIC and the CCO involved all agree and state it is an authentic and Canon event, it doesn't matter because their word apparently means nothing at all despite being the highest authority in Creative Directory and Story. Righ right, it all makes sense.

- And I don't know if this is just me but, when I see something I am not knowledgeable in, I usually tell the other person that and not just assume they're wrong with no basis. Maybe its just me...


Not an indication that the crossover is canon or that DC and Fortnite share a cosmology.
- That is a introduction dude.


How does this mean the crossover is canon, let alone that Fortnite and DC share a cosmology.
- If you look at the format of the post, I introduce the material first then go over how its Canon. That is an introduction to the material involved.


This is literally all meaningless promotional hype.
- Right because you have absolute authority above Jim Lee and other DC creative team members to the point where you can just dismiss their statements about their own Continuity as just meaningless promotional hype.

Very nice argument dude.


Isolated statements of a few writers for DC that consider the crossover to be canon are absolutely not an indication of a shared cosmology. Even taking these statements at face value doesn't indicate the crossover is canon on both sides and trying to cross scale the cosmologies or any characters is even more egregious.
- Don't just gloss over them, adress them.

- And you realize this isn't just "a few DC writers", this is also by Jim Lee himself. he is the highest authority on DC dude.

- And again, "Even taking these statements at face value doesn't indicate the crossover is canon on both sides." Read their statements, they are telling its canon and takes place in the main Continuity.


Again, just meaningless promotional hype. It doesn't matter how much the crossover is advertised, that does not mean it is canon.
- Again, no reason given as to why that is the case and why both cannot be true at the same time. You're just throwing that word around and hoping it lands.


These do not indicate canonicity at all. Every crossover ever can be considered a combination of two worlds.
- I would agree except for the fact it is stated by Jim Lee himself and also because other crossovers are stated or shown to take place outside the main Continuity.

- Here, if you actually read the statements I posted you would know that the main driver for this Crossover was to tell an authentic Batman story in the main Continuity and have him use his detective skills in the World of Fortnite.

- They are literally yelling at your face that it is canon and takes place in the main Continuity.


The story of Creation in Fortnite is that everything was made from the Zero Point. In DC, it's different. Simple as that. There is no shared continuity.
- I would agree if it wasn't for the fact that Scott Snyder himself wrote The Zero Point to be source of everything and The Creator as well.

- That is the reason for this post; To find a solution that isn't just ignoring Authoritative figures regarding the two Cosmos.


The Zero Point being mysterious doesn't prove anything.
- No reason given as to why. If you're just going to keep sending messages with no reasoning then you are just taking spaces and getting nowhere. Provide reasoning.

- That was just a possible solution I came up with. My reasoning behind it is that since The Zero Point is a mystery, it would be excluded from the statements that would cause problems.

- This would allow for the two cosmos to co-exist with the bridger being the Tier 0.


Batman has stated that many things are "outside of reality", "beyond the multiverse", and similar statements before. This doesn't prove anything.
- Ok so what if he has before? what does that have to do with this? You're lack of providing reasoning is making it very hard to understand what you are trying to say.

- And yes, it does prove The Zero Point and its creation are outside the Multiverse, that much is clear so I don't know what you are talking about.


No, this has not been agreed upon.
- You might not agree but everyone else at DC fandom sure does.

- And this was another possible solution . It would be appreciated if you provided one (without ignoring authority for no reason).


You should really do that now so that we can be sure you are not trying to scale Fortnite characters to egregiously high tiers like High 1-A.
- I will later.

- What would even be the point to you? You've already made up your mind (no reason given) that they're not Canon so why does it even matter to you?

- Do you only care about gatekeeping the Tiers or do you actually care about Authenticity and what the actually creators and companies are saying is Canon to their storyline?

- If you actually care about being Authentic, we can continue. If you only care about the tiers while dismissing the truth about the Canon then I get it and we can drop this.
 
If OP's proposals are to be accepted, we would have to say that the Zero Point, The Presence, and the Divine Creator are in actuality the same being or something similar which is obviously extremely illogical and would likely only make our scaling more egregiously nonsensical and inconsistent alongside causing canon and timeline issues. I firmly disagree with any attempt to scale Fortnite based off other verse's feats rather than their own feats within the game.


- There won't be two Tier 0s. The Divine Creator is distinct from The One Above All of Marvel's main continuity.

- This would only involve TOAA and Marvel's main Continuity as stated already.

- The Zero Point isn't Tier 0. The Presence is.

- "... causing canon and timeline issues." Like what? The events of Nexus War are literally explained in the comics themselves that way there is no Timeline or Canon issue.

- Its the same with the Batman comics with DC and Invincible and LEGO. I literally went over this in great details in the post.

- The only issue that was present was with the the Tier 0 but now that has seemingly been resolved. The Tier 0 would remain as it is and everything else would be its creation.
 
Here's the thing

Mish mashing lore to force something to work with headcannon isn't the safest way to do things

And no, I'd fully be on board with your thing if Forknife never said Goku was the strongest. ***** goku, man.

Also going through so much effort to try to reconcile the conflicting lore of The Greater Omniverse being the same as Fortnites one being the same as well as trying to fit in the Zero Point without DC establishing it first

Is sort of like a total stranger whom you met a few times coming in your house, eating your food and sleeping in your bed without it putting the work at all because it's personality is completely different and it's stature is completely different too despite the interactions

Like an acquaintance overstaying their welcome, kind of


I know I may sound mean but I'm sorry but uh

goku bad
Conflicting scales
Conflicting lore
Headcanon welding
Conflicting with the verses Tier 0

Is all a massive no no in terms of scaling.

Here's the thing

Mish mashing lore to force something to work with headcannon isn't the safest way to do things

And no, I'd fully be on board with your thing if Forknife never said Goku was the strongest. ***** goku, man.
- Goku isn't the strongest man. we went over this.


Also going through so much effort to try to reconcile the conflicting lore of The Greater Omniverse being the same as Fortnites one being the same as well as trying to fit in the Zero Point without DC establishing it first

Is sort of like a total stranger whom you met a few times coming in your house, eating your food and sleeping in your bed without it putting the work at all because it's personality is completely different and it's stature is completely different too despite the interactions

Like an acquaintance overstaying their welcome, kind of

I know I may sound mean but I'm sorry but uh
- The thing is DC is the one who established it. Specifically, Scott Synder and Donald Mustard.

- In the comic itself, you can clearly see this.

- I'm not just trying to mish mash out of nowhere. This is something DC established with Donald and it would be just wrong for us to overlook it.

- It is not overstaying a welcome at all. It is a consistent thing and they interact whenever the companies want.

- Don't worry, it isn't mean. We are just trying to find a suitable solution that considers all the factors involved.

goku bad

Conflicting scales

Conflicting lore

Headcanon welding

Conflicting with the verses Tier 0

Is all a massive no no in terms of scaling.
- There are no conflicting scales and the Lore issue has been seemingly resolved.

- There is no head canon. All of this is based on the information that the companies AND the creative team have given us.

- The Creator would remain Tier 0.

- I would agree if it was a throw away Crossover that doesn't matter at all and happens elsewhere.

- Here, it's explicitly stated by the company, the creative team including both of the companies CCO over and over again that these events matter and that they did happen in Canon, in the main Continuity.
 
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