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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

5D isn’t spatial. It’s 3 spatial dimensions + 1 dimensions of time + 1 hyperspace.
So, hyperspace is not spatial dimension beyond time-space?

We know that the explanation of dimensions is said to be 6 dimensions, 1=point, 2=line, 3=material, 4=time, 5=imagination and 6=impossibility.

So, where is the bleed in these 6 dimensions? and where is the sphere of the gods in these 6 dimensions?
 
So, hyperspace is not spatial dimension beyond time-space?
Hyperspace is super compact dimensions after space-time used to quantity the remaining 7 dimensional super gravity of M-Theory. Hence why Grant uses “hyper” a lot as akin to beyond normal/covential.
We know that the explanation of dimensions is said to be 6 dimensions, 1=point, 2=line, 3=material, 4=time, 5=imagination and 6=impossibility.
5th and 6th are levels that permeate reality. They’re not physics based dimensions.
So, where is the bleed in these 6 dimensions? and where is the sphere of the gods in these 6 dimensions?
The bleedspace is contained within the Orrery. The Bleed itself is a bulk and that flows through the connect reality and contains it like a “membrane.” These concepts are similar to the notion of M-Theory.
 
Hyperspace is super compact dimensions after space-time used to quantity the remaining 7 dimensional super gravity of M-Theory. Hence why Grant uses “hyper” a lot as akin to beyond normal/covential.
Doesn't that explain hyperspace as a physical dimension?
5th and 6th are levels that permeate reality
I know, so those places are in the 4th dimension? Cause there are only 6 dimensions described
The bleedspace is contained within the Orrery. The Bleed itself is a bulk and that flows through the connect reality and contains it like a “membrane.” These concepts are similar to the notion of M-Theory.
Yes, it is described as a brane that holds the physical realms of space and time and the 5th dimension is described as a mathematically higher dimension, so spatial dimension.
 
Doesn't that explain hyperspace as a physical dimension?
Relatively speaking it’s all mathematical.
I know, so those places are in the 4th dimension? Cause there are only 6 dimensions described
They’re not in the 4th Dimension. They exist within 4 dimensions. This means they experience the linearity of time. It’s not a realm.
Yes, it is described as a brane that holds the physical realms of space and time and the 5th dimension is described as a mathematically higher dimension, so spatial dimension.
Everything is math in the material realm.
 
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Relatively speaking it’s all mathematical
I see what you mean, you say the 5th dimension is bleed, not spatial, but even so, the 5th dimension is mathematically based.
But in the comic the 5th spatial dimension is stated as a mathematical dimension and is influenced by physical fields, isn't this a spatial dimension?
They’re not in the 4th Dimension. They exist within 4 dimensions.
I have explained that the 4 Dimension are dimension that are beyond mathematics, beyond physical dimensions, beyond space and time.

According to old comics, hourman has metaphysical powers [worlogog, objects that
transcend time and space].
But the non-spatial 5th dimension is a place beyond the power of warlogogs and is stated to be trans-geometry.
So 4 dimensions is not the material world [spatial or temporal] in the 6 dimensional cosmology.

[Worlogog's power is a threat to all space, all time]
Everything is math in the material realm
Indirectly, physical space and time are within material dimensions which are said to be 3 dimension
So, my statement is correct
 
I see what you mean, you say the 5th dimension is bleed, not spatial, but even so, the 5th dimension is mathematically based.
But in the comic the 5th spatial dimension is stated as a mathematical dimension and is influenced by physical fields, isn't this a spatial dimension?
The Bleed is fifth dimensional. I never intended it to be the same as the “Fifth” Dimension from which the Imps hail from.

In older Morrison work, it was a mathematically higher realm but now it’s more a level of reality that embodies the concept of imagination and is no longer tied to magic.

As for whether it’s spatial or not would be determined by its position. Math and Physics both agree in the notion that “dimensions” has vector points that occupy space and also can be described in myriads as manifolds. Take V for vector space and M for manifold. Physics based dimensions for the most part has a sort of volume by linear scaling and they are dimensions of length, width, and height but they are consider quality with some degree of freedom. Math are easier to quantify while physics based dimension are more so….well better for measuring out quality.

Either way, it doesn’t matter since the basis is almost identical.
I have explained that the 4 Dimension are dimension that are beyond mathematics, beyond physical dimensions, beyond space and time.
Within physical space that dimensions occupy then no it’s not beyond math nor has DC ever described the 4th dimension which is temporal as above math. You haven’t even explained it correctly with the scan. You just nitpick the information(which does not mention being above math) and claim it is above math.
According to old comics, hourman has metaphysical powers [worlogog, objects that
transcend time and space].
But the non-spatial 5th dimension is a place beyond the power of warlogogs and is stated to be trans-geometry.
So 4 dimensions is not the material world [spatial or temporal] in the 6 dimensional cosmology.
Transcending time and space has little to correlate with being beyond physical dimensions.

Also, that’s not how 4th dimension is defined as the current information treats it as a temporal dimension. It’s “time” as described by Mxy. No one even claimed it was the material world, but the material realm function in four dimensions.
[Worlogog's power is a threat to all space, all time]
Cool. Everything in DC is.
Indirectly, physical space and time are within material dimensions which are said to be 3 dimension
So, my statement is correct
The material realms occupies the same logic as space-time. The “threat” does not specify the quantity of dimensions nor that any of those dimensions even have quality. Being a threat to the material world has no correlation to being a threat to just three dimensions as you try to prove that is the case with the physical world.

So, the statement you made is illogical.
 
Wow, that makes DC cosmology messy and nonsensical
In older Morrison work, it was a mathematically higher realm but now it’s more a level of reality
In old comics it is quite clear that the 5th dimension is transgeometry [Here], you have to understand what transgeometry is
It is also stated that beyond creation[Here], creation is space and time.
Even defeating spectre and imps is beyond the capabilities of The Quintessence[Here].
It explains that the 5th dimension has long been applied metaphysically in comics and the physical 5th dimension, explained by Grant Morrison in the 2011 action comic.
The meaning is clear, there are 2 5th dimensions, physical and non-physical.

Within physical space that dimensions occupy then no it’s not beyond math nor has DC ever described the 4th dimension which is temporal as above math. You haven’t even explained it correctly with the scan. You just nitpick the information(which does not mention being above math) and claim it is above math.
A place statement that beyond mathematics huh?
It's in the swamp thing comic, the multiverse nexus [monitor satellite] beyond mathematics when swamp reaches that place[Here] and [Here]
The multiverse nexus is within the timestream, also not bound by the dimensions of space and not bound by time.
Timestream is metaphysical, because it includes speedforce and vanishing points within that realm.
[Read my previous explanation]
Transcending time and space has little to correlate with being beyond physical dimensions.

Also, that’s not how 4th dimension is defined as the current information treats it as a temporal dimension. It’s “time” as described by Mxy. No one even claimed it was the material world, but the material realm function in four dimensions
You obviously didn't read what was explained previously or perhaps, you don't understand.
The power of the worlogog is beyond the comprehension of metaphysical beings such as metron.
With the power of warlogog, hourman is able to stop time at the vanishing point. Vanishing point is a metaphysical realm.
Hourman's abilities beyond 3 dimensions, expressed as time, namely 4 dimensions, but physically and metaphysically about time.

With the feats I gave previously, such as the timestream 4D, the speed force 4D, the green 4D you should understand that 4Dimensions are not spatial/temporal dimensions.
 
There are only 6 dimensions, the sphere of the gods, the monitor sphere, the limbo, the speed force cannot possibly be in the 5 dimensions of imps, meaning these places are in 4 dimension [time] , time that is not physical like a timestream or hypertime. Time is the 4th dimension in Mr Mxy's explanation.
So 4D is metaphysical
 
You’re not helping it with these suggestion that no one has agreed to. Especially with Ultima revision going and the recent change that Elizio presented with good evidence of the scaling.
I'm just using common sense, 4 Dimensions is time, time beyond time, time is metaphysical, like statements in comics, according to the author's statements, according to databook/guide

This better than "5D bleed within the 4th dimension plane but 4th domension is temporal dimension"
 
I'm just using common sense, 4 Dimensions is time, time beyond time, time is metaphysical, like statements in comics, according to the author's statements, according to databook/guide
Try not to use author statements not guidebooks.
This better than "5D bleed within the 4th dimension plane but 4th domension is temporal dimension"
We use space-time that’s what consider the “4th dimensional plane.” The Bleed is 5D that would upscale the Orrery to that same logic as well.
 
Can anyone explain why we still use the logic that the Presence = Overvoid = Source? This was always a theory and not an actual thing in the comic.

It's actually a thing in the comics. Besides the guidebooks such as A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse refer to the Hands of the Source being agents of the Presence 2. 3

Death Metal #1 also refers to them as the same.

Scott Snyder also confirms they're one and the same: 5:00



And the comics have hinted they're the same a few times, like Day of Judgement, when Mister Miracle says entering heaven feels like the Source welcoming them. And the Spectre stating in JSA Returns: All-Star Comics Vol 1 #2 that God has many masks but the there's only one. Spectre also comparing the light beyond the Source Wall to feeling like Heaven.

Like, until Death Metal and Vast and Vibrant Multiverse, it was more subtle implications but it is a lot more clear cut nowadays.
 
Source and Presence was specifically Snyder idea as when Morrison said the Source and the Overvoid were equal.
Death Metal #1 also refers to them as the same.
Source and Presence during Metal which change the Overvoid as just space to the Light of Creation.
Scott Snyder also confirms they're one and the same: 5:00
When he was in charge of writing the Metal series. There’s no mention of the Overvoid being an actual sentient being during Metal Wars.


And the comics have hinted they're the same a few times, like Day of Judgement, when Mister Miracle says entering heaven feels like the Source welcoming them. And the Spectre stating in JSA Returns: All-Star Comics Vol 1 #2 that God has many masks but the there's only one. Spectre also comparing the light beyond the Source Wall to feeling like Heaven.

Those comics hadn’t introduce they were the same. They were alike was more of the idea.
Like, until Death Metal and Vast and Vibrant Multiverse, it was more subtle implications but it is a lot more clear cut nowadays.
It’s not clear cut. Williamson seem to not implicate Source is the Presence the same way Snyder did to whom doesn’t implicate that the Overvoid is the Source they way Morrison did.
 
 
Try not to use author statements not guidebooks.
There's nothing wrong with using the author's statement and the guidebook, it doesn't conflict with the comic
We use space-time that’s what consider the “4th dimensional plane.” The Bleed is 5D that would upscale the Orrery to that same logic as well.
According to you, the 4th dimension is the temporal dimension, space and time are 4 dimensions, so it is a very easy point to discuss

What dimension contains the sphere of the gods, the monitor sphere in the 6 dimensional scoot? State clearly what you think, don't add dimensions, there are only 6 dimensions.
 
There's nothing wrong with using the author's statement and the guidebook, it doesn't conflict with the comic
It does which is why I brought the point. To be more precise, it’s better to use in comic citation than guidebooks.
According to you, the 4th dimension is the temporal dimension, space and time are 4 dimensions, so it is a very easy point to discuss

What dimension contains the sphere of the gods, the monitor sphere in the 6 dimensional scoot? State clearly what you think, don't add dimensions, there are only 6 dimensions.
The first four dimensions mentioned within the material plane. The God and Monitor Sphere isn’t quantifiable by “dimensions.”

There isn’t only “six” dimensions. The aforementioned 5th and 6th are levels of reality and has nothing to due with geometrical or physics based dimensions.
 
This sure is a better explanation for the Three Jokers thing instead of Batman somehow not noticing that he was fighting three different guys. Also the reason that Joker is so randomly skilled in mental and physical ability being because one of Bruce's teachers wanting revenge because Bruce cold clocked him and the guy's ego couldn't take it.
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It does which is why I brought the point. To be more precise, it’s better to use in comic citation than guidebooks.

The first four dimensions mentioned within the material plane. The God and Monitor Sphere isn’t quantifiable by “dimensions.”

There isn’t only “six” dimensions. The aforementioned 5th and 6th are levels of reality and has nothing to due with geometrical or physics based dimensions.
Just mention it, in what dimension is the metaphysical realm located?
 
Just mention it, in what dimension is the metaphysical realm located?
I, naturally, say metaphysical realms are above dimensionality in according to quantities. So if the material plane has infinite dimension of a countable infinity and that’s one level then the metaphysical realms would encompasses the uncountable since quantity is harder to define with those.
 
I, naturally, say metaphysical realms are above dimensionality in according to quantities. So if the material plane has infinite dimension of a countable infinity and that’s one level then the metaphysical realms would encompasses the uncountable since quantity is harder to define with those.
Do you think dimensions in DC comics are only about spatial dimensions? aren't the 5th dimension and 6th dimension metaphysical?
So where is the realm of the gods located? is the realm that located in the 5th dimension or below it?
 
Do you think dimensions in DC comics are only about spatial dimensions? aren't the 5th dimension and 6th dimension metaphysical?
So where is the realm of the gods located? is the realm that located in the 5th dimension or below it?
“Metaphysical” realms are in acorrdsnce to belief, magic, or structuring linked to the Orrery. The 5th and 6th are more so realms of conceptuality that permeates the Multiverse. Though spatial dimensions are seen throughout the material world.

As for the location of the realms. It’s pretty evident that the Sphere is above the Orrery. Though the 5th Dimension approximate location is unknown because it exists everywhere rather than a singular location according to Metal Wars.
 
“Metaphysical” realms are in acorrdsnce to belief, magic, or structuring linked to the Orrery. The 5th and 6th are more so realms of conceptuality that permeates the Multiverse. Though spatial dimensions are seen throughout the material world.

As for the location of the realms. It’s pretty evident that the Sphere is above the Orrery. Though the 5th Dimension approximate location is unknown because it exists everywhere rather than a singular location according to Metal Wars.
I ask, where is the metaphysical realm in Mr. Mxy's explanation?

Space and Time = 4Dimension
 
What would you give for the Green Lantern known as Dkrtzy Rrr? it is an intelligent mathematical equation?
 
So, are we not going to talk about Darkseid folding (younger) Prime Earth Superman, (younger) Prime Earth Batman and the Kingdom Come versions of Superman, Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott, and Captain Marvel?
 
So, are we not going to talk about Darkseid folding (younger) Prime Earth Superman, (younger) Prime Earth Batman and the Kingdom Come versions of Superman, Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott, and Captain Marvel?
Said Prime Earth Superman was a much younger and weaker Superman and was likely fatigued from previously battling Gog and getting jumped by several heroes.

KC Superman... Well let's just say he might be a lot lower on the scaling chain once we're done with his scaling revisions oof.
 
 
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