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5D isn’t spatial. It’s 3 spatial dimensions + 1 dimensions of time + 1 hyperspace.If the Bleed is 5D spatial, that claim raises many contradictions
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5D isn’t spatial. It’s 3 spatial dimensions + 1 dimensions of time + 1 hyperspace.If the Bleed is 5D spatial, that claim raises many contradictions
So, hyperspace is not spatial dimension beyond time-space?5D isn’t spatial. It’s 3 spatial dimensions + 1 dimensions of time + 1 hyperspace.
Hyperspace is super compact dimensions after space-time used to quantity the remaining 7 dimensional super gravity of M-Theory. Hence why Grant uses “hyper” a lot as akin to beyond normal/covential.So, hyperspace is not spatial dimension beyond time-space?
5th and 6th are levels that permeate reality. They’re not physics based dimensions.We know that the explanation of dimensions is said to be 6 dimensions, 1=point, 2=line, 3=material, 4=time, 5=imagination and 6=impossibility.
The bleedspace is contained within the Orrery. The Bleed itself is a bulk and that flows through the connect reality and contains it like a “membrane.” These concepts are similar to the notion of M-Theory.So, where is the bleed in these 6 dimensions? and where is the sphere of the gods in these 6 dimensions?
Doesn't that explain hyperspace as a physical dimension?Hyperspace is super compact dimensions after space-time used to quantity the remaining 7 dimensional super gravity of M-Theory. Hence why Grant uses “hyper” a lot as akin to beyond normal/covential.
I know, so those places are in the 4th dimension? Cause there are only 6 dimensions described5th and 6th are levels that permeate reality
Yes, it is described as a brane that holds the physical realms of space and time and the 5th dimension is described as a mathematically higher dimension, so spatial dimension.The bleedspace is contained within the Orrery. The Bleed itself is a bulk and that flows through the connect reality and contains it like a “membrane.” These concepts are similar to the notion of M-Theory.
Relatively speaking it’s all mathematical.Doesn't that explain hyperspace as a physical dimension?
They’re not in the 4th Dimension. They exist within 4 dimensions. This means they experience the linearity of time. It’s not a realm.I know, so those places are in the 4th dimension? Cause there are only 6 dimensions described
Everything is math in the material realm.Yes, it is described as a brane that holds the physical realms of space and time and the 5th dimension is described as a mathematically higher dimension, so spatial dimension.
I see what you mean, you say the 5th dimension is bleed, not spatial, but even so, the 5th dimension is mathematically based.Relatively speaking it’s all mathematical
I have explained that the 4 Dimension are dimension that are beyond mathematics, beyond physical dimensions, beyond space and time.They’re not in the 4th Dimension. They exist within 4 dimensions.
Indirectly, physical space and time are within material dimensions which are said to be 3 dimensionEverything is math in the material realm
The Bleed is fifth dimensional. I never intended it to be the same as the “Fifth” Dimension from which the Imps hail from.I see what you mean, you say the 5th dimension is bleed, not spatial, but even so, the 5th dimension is mathematically based.
But in the comic the 5th spatial dimension is stated as a mathematical dimension and is influenced by physical fields, isn't this a spatial dimension?
Within physical space that dimensions occupy then no it’s not beyond math nor has DC ever described the 4th dimension which is temporal as above math. You haven’t even explained it correctly with the scan. You just nitpick the information(which does not mention being above math) and claim it is above math.I have explained that the 4 Dimension are dimension that are beyond mathematics, beyond physical dimensions, beyond space and time.
Transcending time and space has little to correlate with being beyond physical dimensions.According to old comics, hourman has metaphysical powers [worlogog, objects that
transcend time and space].
But the non-spatial 5th dimension is a place beyond the power of warlogogs and is stated to be trans-geometry.
So 4 dimensions is not the material world [spatial or temporal] in the 6 dimensional cosmology.
Cool. Everything in DC is.[Worlogog's power is a threat to all space, all time]
The material realms occupies the same logic as space-time. The “threat” does not specify the quantity of dimensions nor that any of those dimensions even have quality. Being a threat to the material world has no correlation to being a threat to just three dimensions as you try to prove that is the case with the physical world.Indirectly, physical space and time are within material dimensions which are said to be 3 dimension
So, my statement is correct
I believe I should step in on these matters.I'm waiting to see where Conner Kent ends up on the Heralds scaling before I do a big revision for some of his missing powers and abilities
Oh? I'm sorry. I didn't think I was stepping on any toes. Apologies.I believe I should step in on these matters.
Nothing to aplologies for. It was a joke that I take the matters into my own hands.Oh? I'm sorry. I didn't think I was stepping on any toes. Apologies.
In old comics it is quite clear that the 5th dimension is transgeometry [Here], you have to understand what transgeometry isIn older Morrison work, it was a mathematically higher realm but now it’s more a level of reality
A place statement that beyond mathematics huh?Within physical space that dimensions occupy then no it’s not beyond math nor has DC ever described the 4th dimension which is temporal as above math. You haven’t even explained it correctly with the scan. You just nitpick the information(which does not mention being above math) and claim it is above math.
You obviously didn't read what was explained previously or perhaps, you don't understand.Transcending time and space has little to correlate with being beyond physical dimensions.
Also, that’s not how 4th dimension is defined as the current information treats it as a temporal dimension. It’s “time” as described by Mxy. No one even claimed it was the material world, but the material realm function in four dimensions
You do know they are farming you guys, right?Actually, my thread yesterday didn't show the statement in the comic that 4D is a metaphysical realm, but now I have shown it.
So actually it can't be denied
You’re not helping it with these suggestion that no one has agreed to. Especially with Ultima revision going and the recent change that Elizio presented with good evidence of the scaling.Wow, that makes DC cosmology messy and nonsensical
I'm just using common sense, 4 Dimensions is time, time beyond time, time is metaphysical, like statements in comics, according to the author's statements, according to databook/guideYou’re not helping it with these suggestion that no one has agreed to. Especially with Ultima revision going and the recent change that Elizio presented with good evidence of the scaling.
Try not to use author statements not guidebooks.I'm just using common sense, 4 Dimensions is time, time beyond time, time is metaphysical, like statements in comics, according to the author's statements, according to databook/guide
We use space-time that’s what consider the “4th dimensional plane.” The Bleed is 5D that would upscale the Orrery to that same logic as well.This better than "5D bleed within the 4th dimension plane but 4th domension is temporal dimension"
Can anyone explain why we still use the logic that the Presence = Overvoid = Source? This was always a theory and not an actual thing in the comic.
Source and Presence was specifically Snyder idea as when Morrison said the Source and the Overvoid were equal.It's actually a thing in the comics. Besides the guidebooks such as A Vast and Vibrant Multiverse refer to the Hands of the Source being agents of the Presence 2. 3
Source and Presence during Metal which change the Overvoid as just space to the Light of Creation.Death Metal #1 also refers to them as the same.
When he was in charge of writing the Metal series. There’s no mention of the Overvoid being an actual sentient being during Metal Wars.Scott Snyder also confirms they're one and the same: 5:00
And the comics have hinted they're the same a few times, like Day of Judgement, when Mister Miracle says entering heaven feels like the Source welcoming them. And the Spectre stating in JSA Returns: All-Star Comics Vol 1 #2 that God has many masks but the there's only one. Spectre also comparing the light beyond the Source Wall to feeling like Heaven.
It’s not clear cut. Williamson seem to not implicate Source is the Presence the same way Snyder did to whom doesn’t implicate that the Overvoid is the Source they way Morrison did.Like, until Death Metal and Vast and Vibrant Multiverse, it was more subtle implications but it is a lot more clear cut nowadays.
There's nothing wrong with using the author's statement and the guidebook, it doesn't conflict with the comicTry not to use author statements not guidebooks.
According to you, the 4th dimension is the temporal dimension, space and time are 4 dimensions, so it is a very easy point to discussWe use space-time that’s what consider the “4th dimensional plane.” The Bleed is 5D that would upscale the Orrery to that same logic as well.
It does which is why I brought the point. To be more precise, it’s better to use in comic citation than guidebooks.There's nothing wrong with using the author's statement and the guidebook, it doesn't conflict with the comic
The first four dimensions mentioned within the material plane. The God and Monitor Sphere isn’t quantifiable by “dimensions.”According to you, the 4th dimension is the temporal dimension, space and time are 4 dimensions, so it is a very easy point to discuss
What dimension contains the sphere of the gods, the monitor sphere in the 6 dimensional scoot? State clearly what you think, don't add dimensions, there are only 6 dimensions.
Just mention it, in what dimension is the metaphysical realm located?It does which is why I brought the point. To be more precise, it’s better to use in comic citation than guidebooks.
The first four dimensions mentioned within the material plane. The God and Monitor Sphere isn’t quantifiable by “dimensions.”
There isn’t only “six” dimensions. The aforementioned 5th and 6th are levels of reality and has nothing to due with geometrical or physics based dimensions.
I, naturally, say metaphysical realms are above dimensionality in according to quantities. So if the material plane has infinite dimension of a countable infinity and that’s one level then the metaphysical realms would encompasses the uncountable since quantity is harder to define with those.Just mention it, in what dimension is the metaphysical realm located?
Do you think dimensions in DC comics are only about spatial dimensions? aren't the 5th dimension and 6th dimension metaphysical?I, naturally, say metaphysical realms are above dimensionality in according to quantities. So if the material plane has infinite dimension of a countable infinity and that’s one level then the metaphysical realms would encompasses the uncountable since quantity is harder to define with those.
“Metaphysical” realms are in acorrdsnce to belief, magic, or structuring linked to the Orrery. The 5th and 6th are more so realms of conceptuality that permeates the Multiverse. Though spatial dimensions are seen throughout the material world.Do you think dimensions in DC comics are only about spatial dimensions? aren't the 5th dimension and 6th dimension metaphysical?
So where is the realm of the gods located? is the realm that located in the 5th dimension or below it?
I ask, where is the metaphysical realm in Mr. Mxy's explanation?“Metaphysical” realms are in acorrdsnce to belief, magic, or structuring linked to the Orrery. The 5th and 6th are more so realms of conceptuality that permeates the Multiverse. Though spatial dimensions are seen throughout the material world.
As for the location of the realms. It’s pretty evident that the Sphere is above the Orrery. Though the 5th Dimension approximate location is unknown because it exists everywhere rather than a singular location according to Metal Wars.
There isn't.I ask, where is the metaphysical realm in Mr. Mxy's explanation?
I'll take a look and gather back some information.
Said Prime Earth Superman was a much younger and weaker Superman and was likely fatigued from previously battling Gog and getting jumped by several heroes.So, are we not going to talk about Darkseid folding (younger) Prime Earth Superman, (younger) Prime Earth Batman and the Kingdom Come versions of Superman, Batman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Alan Scott, and Captain Marvel?