Not to mention, only Destiny seems to have beyond-dimensional existence for some reason.
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If nobody gets to it before December I’ll re-do Dream and DeathThe Endless
This looks like a problem. For all the endless, their pages have only 1-2 hax with actual citations.
This applies to all verses as well then especially Marvel. There shouldn't be some special treatment when they all have the same idea. I'm just saying if we do this for DC we do it for every verse.
Marvel should definitely get the same treatment we did with DC because current tiers of the Marvel's characters are over the top as hell, but this is not the good thread to talk about it. I was just saying that the splitting for DC was needed for more accurate tierings instead of having inaccurate tierings based on pure chain of power scaling or cosmology scaling, especially if an interpretation of one cosmology does not correspond to another. For example, scaling the Archangels of Vertigo above the Monitors of Grant Morrison isn't a good idea since the Archangels belongs to the Sphere of the Gods which exists below Nil in Morrison's Cosmology. It's just my opinion. I understand that many do not share the same opinion.
You're free to hit me up about this any of these days, by the by. Consider this an invite.
The BOD, which encompasses and transcends all dimensions found in the multiverse map Grant created, can be easily destroyed by Lucifer.
Marvel was allowed a composite cosmology because Ultima proved that the contradictions could be explained by the One Above All constantly adjusting the natural order. Provide a similar justification for DC, and then we'll talk.
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Sadly I don't think I can fully help with this since DC is kind of a side thing for me. I only occasionally read about characters I find interesting which is why I've only done revisions for lantern characters like Atrocitus, Larfleeze and Volthoom. I'm not sure I'd be up to the task of deciding who goes were in terms of scaling and right now I'm unable to even grab scans due to phone issues (My broke self can't afford a new one) so unless that changes, I can't do much. At most, I can potentially evaluate threads and get them moving if needed but that's about it. My apologies.
Did you remember that he traps time? That seems like an important power. (This is a joke)
Strongly agreed. I would greatly appreciate competent help with greatly improving on them, but have been unsuccessful at getting any of our members to do so as of yet.
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I'm interested
After our DC Comics cosmology revision project was accepted, the changes seem to have been rather sloppily applied, and we need help from all available knowledgeable members with sufficient editing skills to to so considerably more properly.
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Thank you. That would be extremely appreciated.
Since most of the origins of creation recounted by Dr. Multiverse were false ideas manipulated by Pariah, the Light still came from the Great Darkness, but the Great Darkness was not the cause of the crises, for it was the belief that the darkness wanted everything to return into nothingness, it simply wants to engage with the Light above.
I still think "Crisis Cosmology" is the simplest and most direct, since this cosmology is largely tethered to and associated with the various Crisis events, and our other cosmologies do not interact with those events.
I am not against allowing the inclusion of certain parts of Grant's older work, but I would want to have it reflected in newer comics as well. He wrote about a lot of concepts in the 80s and 90s and abandoned most of it. I don't think it's in our best interest to make a sort of Frankenstein cosmology by attaching old abandoned ideas that never made it out of Animal Man, JLA or Doom Patrol.
Agreed. "Crisis Cosmology" seems fine to me. As for Morrison's older information, yeah, we add only the informations that aren't outdated or in contradiction with the newer stories. Those that actually fit with the newer informations.
Why?
that thread is about 1-A stuff
Ultima is aiming to change the standards for how we rate 1-A, which could potentially change the ratings of a lot of verses.
Maybe we should wait until that revision is complete before thinking about that?
Well, the fact that Overvoid is primarily the ultimate blank canvas surpassing everything has been established exclusively in Morrison's interviews rather than in the comics. In the comics, the Overvoid has been depicted as a conscious living void of immaculate perfection, beyond the Source Wall where thought itself ceases to be. It has been described as non-dual, but its relationship with the flaw is described as a duality defining existence and non-existence. Anyway, my point is that if we don't include most of Morrison's claims, there would be no notable contradictions with Williamson's approach to the DC Universe. I mean, if we made an exception with Morrison and Snyder's cosmologies despite the contradictions, then why not? Also, we shouldn't include Lucifer and Yahweh in this, Vertigo was more apart from DC and even though authors like Scott Snyder took the basis of Mike Carey's works and applied them into his cosmology, Vertigo doesn't fit in very well.
