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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

If Ultima somehow puts being conceptual above dimensionality as a sort of recollection of being 1-A then yes.

Either way, Vertigo is very flowery and vague. Matteis can easily go for 1-A. I don't see how Snyder or Morrison would make any sense unless we combined them and used Animal Man with the Interconnection and White Light.

Williamson would have to scale from Snyder since he helped Tynion and Snyder write some of the stories and is the next even following Metal with Infinite Frontier that tied to Dark Frontier which we refer to as Dark Crisis.
 
Yeah I think people are putting the cart before the horse here. There's no guarantee the thread passes or that if it does pass that the final conclusion will be the same as how Ultima first presented it.
 
I agree with Ultima in that sense being beyond “dimensionality” is being “above” it. Being one layer means that we go to a mathematical route where there are stages to infinity and branches of different sets. This doesn't make sense if you fully transcend the dimension. Given the context of how comics work. Should apply specifically to their ideal, not a mashup of all fiction like Lovecraft or Unsong.

Given Lucifer's will defines “infinity” as local and since he and long side his brother made a Creation that is all-encompassing then his will primates any level in Creation.

The Void itself transcends any level of anything and everything.
 
I'll will say something about Vertigo Void and Overvoid. Vertigo versions extend any level of stacking by making all things stack in repetition. It expands and surpasses any structure of the level. While for Morrison his Void simply is a fictional representation of canvas. It logically is more 0-D than the transcendent of dimensions.

While you can add anything to Void, you can not to Overvoid thus it is bigger than the Flaw but not transcendent of it. You can add any level to the Void and it will transcend it. The Overvoid would blend the concept with nothing and become a sublime Oneness without transcending, becomes it.
 
 
Crisis Cosmology

The DC Cosmology was primarily helmed by four authors in the late 2000s and 2022s. Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, and James Tynion IV and later Joshua Williamson made the most significant contributions to the cosmology during this era, with the development of concepts like the Overvoid, the Monitors, Perpetua, the Dark Multiverse, the Collective Unconscious, and other cosmological concepts that currently define DC as we know it. This cosmology draws heavily from the various pillars of the DC cosmology, such as the Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Monitor and Anti-Monitor, the Endless, and the various myths and gods incorporated into the canon. Despite some differences across these authors, the greater picture is consistent enough to consider them a single cosmological continuity. Although there were major differences between Joshua Williamson's work from the mid-2022 and that of Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV a year earlier, some of these contradictions were falsified with the conclusion of Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths and Dark Crisis: The Deadly Green.

Number of Universes: The number of universes was infinite before the Crisis on Infinite Earths which reduced it to a singular universe until the Infinite Crisis which brought back the multiverse with a set number of fifty-two universes occupying the same space at different frequencies constituting the "local" multiverse. However, there could be more universes outside those known with the discovery of the 53rd universe.

It was in the aftermath of the rebirth of the multiverse at the end of Death Metal “Anti-Crisis” that a new configuration of the multiverse emerged with countless new universes and an infinite stream of multiverses. It is possible that these "new" universes are actually those that were not known to anyone in the past configuration of the multiverse.

Geometric and Temporal Dimensions: As for the geometric and temporal dimensions, the multiverse is described as having a 4-D space-time continuum. This was the case for Grant Morrison's approach on the DC Cosmology that was later adopted by Scott Snyder, as evidenced in his Justice League run. In Mr. Mxyzptlk's own words: "The multiverse, as you live it, puny heads, exists in four dimensions..." He explained to the Justice League that they experiences the first four dimensions which, in Snyder's words, are point, line, depth, and time.

Despite Scott Snyder's comments about the notion that the dimensions mentioned by Mr. Mxyzptlk in his Justice League run are non-physics based, it's worth noting that when Mr. Mxyzptlk described the dimensionality of the multiverse, he did so almost verbatim in a way that represented a 4-D space-time continuum. This has been described before in better and more accurate terms in Grant Morrison's Action Comics #15: "There is a place beyond length, beyond width, beyond depth and time." In this way, Snyder's comments about the non-physics based dimensions only applies to the fifth and sixth dimensions.

The Bleed: The four-dimensionsal space between universes. It was described as the substance of life where the House of Heroes rotates through the fifth-dimensional axis in a fixed point in the multiversal structure of the Orrery of Worlds. Four siphons have been drilled in from the Monitor Sphere to the Orrery, to permit harvest of the miracle Ultramenstruum, known also known as Bleed, from the universes of the multiverse, that the Monitors refer to as 'germ worlds.'

Orrery of Worlds: The construct encompassing the local multiverse, originally created during the first contact of Monitor-Mind the Overvoid with the new creation within it. It also contains the Rock of Eternity and House of Heroes which exist outside the universes. When Monitor-Mind The Overvoid found the new creation, it created a concept to contain creation, scabbing it over in divine metal. At the bottom of the Orrery of Worlds is the World Forge inhabited by Alpheus the World Forger and his Dragon, Barbatos.

Speed Force Wall: An energy field otherwise known to the inhabitants of the Orrery as the Speed of Light. It is described as the limit to matter on the main map of the multiverse by Grant Morrison. Thus, beyond this superluminal barrier, matter is converted into pure information. This is important because outside this barrier starts a pattern of increasing levels of existence corresponding to less and less "realness" with archetypal realms inhabited by living ideas and thoughts.

Wonderworld: An enormous primal world orbiting the perimeter of the Orrery of Worlds at incredible velocities. Despite having no appearance in Morrison's works of the 2000s and those of Scott Snyder, it was deemed important enough by Morrison to devote an entire entry to the left side of the map of the multiverse.

Sphere of the Gods: An archetypal realm on the edge of the multiverse, outside the corporeal reality, whose inhabitants live on a higher plane of existence than the inhabitants of the Orrery of Worlds. It is the homeworld of all gods and deities worshiped by mortals. It was described as a spherical realm of pure magic surrounding the multiverse.

All realms of the Sphere of the Gods are called fictions, which author James Tynion IV explained as a reference to their connection to the Collective Unconscious, which manifests divinity through belief. The Sphere of the Gods is the source of magic, the fundamental power of creation and belief, and destroying said energy would result in the destruction of the material reality as a consequence.

Collective Unconscious: The collective ideal form of mortal souls above the Sphere of the Gods from which all gods and divine realms have arisen through the collective beliefs and imagination of humanity. In this way, all realms of the Sphere of the Gods are "fictions". It houses Hecate's personal realm, the Witch's Moon, a metaphor for the first mystery gazed upon by man.

Comic Book Limbo: The last outpost of existence, Limbo exists "nowhere" without time in the normal sense, it is the home of forgotten characters that are dumped from continuity. There are no stories in Limbo, except in the Book of Infinite Pages, which contains all the stories of Creation. It goes one step further into nothingness, as such, if someone stays in Limbo for too long, they lose memories and disappear from everyone's memory. It's completely outside and disconnected from the Orrery of Worlds, floating between it and the Thought Robot.

The statement "Music is over: We've run out of the Multiverse" doesn't mean that Limbo is outside of the whole creation, it only refers to Orrery of Worlds, because they used the Ultima Thule for traveling between universes which is a trans-dimensional yacht powered by sound vibrations, by altering its pitch and wavelength it is possible to travel to other universes (because each universe has a different frequency), i.e. music being over means that Limbo is outside of all parallel universes and the Orrery. There's no time in Limbo. "Time" in this context doesn't refer to the concept of time since the Monitor Sphere, above Limbo, has a time.

Monitor Sphere: An archetypal world and home to Nil, the world of the Monitors standing at the edge of the "art" and of the mind of God. As the mystery of the Orrery and Thought Robot caused Monitor-Mind to invent narratives to go along with it, the Monitor Sphere and Nil took shape outside the Sphere of the Gods. Remember from the previous section how going from the multiverse to Comic Book Limbo required crossing the Void. This is reflected in statements that Nil is part of the Void and that Monitor nanotechnology is coming from the Void to attack Limbo. Concepts like space, time and scale are more meaningful, profound, with "time" in the Monitor Sphere referring to the clockwork pattern in the sky. Time in Nil seems to function as a temporal dimension, because when it entered the Monitor Sphere, it form "beginnings" and "ends".

Fifth Dimension: Now we come to the Fifth Dimension which has a long history of retcon, but its depiction as imagination dates back to Grant Morrison's JLA: Crisis Times Five in 1999 and the 2008s Batman R.I.P story. Scott Snyder took this concept and applied it to the cosmology as the "blood" of the multiverse and flow of energy between the realms. Since it transcends time, the Fifth Dimension exists everywhere at once. It was also described as an Imaginary thought-construct. It is important to note that Mr. Mxyzptlk showed the entire multiverse map when he described the Fifth Dimension to the Justice League and said that it exists everywhere at once, which means that the Fifth Dimension encompasses everything on the multiverse map, except the Sixth Dimension and the Source Wall.

It is a very reasonable interpretation that the Fifth Dimension has a direct relationship to the Bleed. The House of Heroes, anchored at a fixed point in the Bleed, was said to rotate through the Fifth Dimension which, according to Mr. Mxyzptlk, exists all around the 4-dimensional spatiotemporal multiverse and was represented as imagination and the blood of the multiverse. Here are Mr. Mxyzptlk's own words when pointed out the entire map of the multiverse: "Now add imagination, which is outside of time, and... Poof! Ta-Da! it's everything at once, existing backward and forward simultaneously. Imagination is the blood of the multiverse, the energy that flows between the realms." In addition to the above points, the Monitors refer to Bleed as the substance of life itself, draining it out of creation and draining the life out of stories (this evidence can be found in the Monitor Sphere section further down). Given that Mxyz uses "unimagination" and reduces the story back to sketches, everything seems to line up. In this regard, the Fifth Dimension is the highest level of the Bleed.

Sixth Dimension: The final realm and the highest plane of existence of the multiverse, as Mr. Mxyzptlk calls it, a realm of the impossible where the multiverse was created and set in motion. As seen below, the Sixth Dimension and its inhabitants are depicted as far larger than the Multiverse. Mr. Mxyzptlk was only able to open a portal there because the Source Wall was destroyed, but the happenings of the Sixth Dimension are beyond even his perception.

In an Hero's Initiative interview with Scott Snyder, he describes the Sixth Dimension as a spherical layer that envelops the entire multiverse, being an emergency room where quintessential beings come to monitor all of creation and set the rules of things. He also said that the Source Wall is above the Sixth Dimension.

Dark Multiverse: A vast subconscious realm of dark matter upon which floats the Multiverse. It's the unintended side effect of the process of creating new worlds, coupled with the treachery of Barbatos. It consists of infinite worlds of nightmare, similar to the infinite timelines of the main Multiverse has. It is directly stated that Perpetua's original Creation had nothing to do with the formation of the Dark Multiverse. Some realms such as the Dreaming and the Phantom Zone have strong connections to the Dark Multiverse.

The Other Place: An empty Void of space inhabited by the Otherkind and the Upside-Down Man. Long since Hecate imprisonned the Upside-Down Man here since the dawn of the multiverse, he infected this place with his reality. It is the source of all dark magic that Hecate took a piece of and gave to humanity to "curse" them. Although in the 2018 relaunch of Justice League Dark, James Tynion IV presented the Great Darkness as the dark opposite to the Sphere of the Gods, connected to the Dark Multiverse, this notion was later retconned by Joshua Williamson who described the Great Darkness as the vast black infinitude preceding the Overvoid.

Promethean Galaxy and the Source Wall: While not a literal galaxy, the Promethean Galaxy is a realm as old as creation and farthest finite frontier of reality where the Source Wall is located. The Source Wall is the limit to thought and the protective shell around the multiverse, closing it off from the Greater Omniverse. In all directions from any universe within the multiverse, the wall is the final point, separating all of creation from the Overvoid. In Countdown, which contradicted Final Crisis in many ways it was said that the Source Wall separates universes. However, this does not fit with the rest of Morrison's works.

Nil did not have the Source Wall around it during Final Crisis, this is because the Source Wall was destroyed in Death of the New Gods, which was a lead-in comic to Final Crisis. Grant Morrison affirmed that elements of Final Crisis were intentionally written to match the events of DotNG in this interview.

New multiversal congiguration: Following Scott Snyder's Dark Nights: Death Metal, a new configuration of the multiverse emerged, with each previous iteration being restored and incorporated into a web of infinite multiverses constituting a "small" Omniverse within the Greater Omniverse, aligning with Morrison's early conceptualization of a multi-multiverse. One of these iterations is the "Multiverse-2" which was revealed to be the Pre-Crisis Multiverse. There is no Source Wall in this new iteration of the multiverse, as The Hands had removed all boundaries within it, deeming them unnecessary, when recreating the main multiverse.

Another change in this new iteration of the multiverse is that two new Earths have emerged: Earth Omega and Elseworld, replacing the Earth-0 position as the center of the multiverse, each being opposite one another. Earth Omega is an obscure reality and a piece of the Great Darkness. Barry Allen had to traverse all 52 universes of the known multiverse gathering enough multiversal energy to enter Earth Omega and discovered that there were no vibrational frequencies in Earth Omega.

Finally, this new configuration of the multiverse is divided into two different aspects, "space" and "time" constituting the Divine Continuum which has been described as an abstract representation of existence. Space, otherwise known as the Omniverse, is split into the Multiverse, which itself splits into the Metaverse aka Prime Earth, the Dark Multiverse and the Sphere of the Gods. The space aspect has always been changing, being shaping around Prime Earth referred to the Metalverse. It was stated that the Omniverse is more conceptual at its core. Time, otherwise known as Hypertime, is split into Limbo and the Vanishing Point. It was stated that Hypertime is more emotional at its core as it perpetually changes due to a natural reaction to the events as well as to direct manipulations of the Timestream.

Greater Omniverse/Overvoid: The impossible and all-consuming void of immaculate perfection where thoughts cease to be and an infinity of multiverse are created by super-celestial beings like Perpetua constituting a Greater Omniverse. Chronicler, a functionary of The Source, had recorded trillions of dying multiverses there. It should be noted that while Morrison treats the Overvoid as the non-dual and infinite canvas, this notion was later retconned in Scott Snyder's stories and the Overvoid now appears to have an end according to Perpetua and beings from the Greater Omniverse and some gods can travel through the Overvoid.

Unseen Council: This name has been used by Scott Snyder to describes a hierarchy, which eventually reaches the Source, like the Hands, Perpetua and the Cosmic Raptor who inhabit the Overvoid. According to Perpetua, the void has an end. This is where her siblings, the other supercelestials, reside. It was also said that the original multiverse was flying through the void to an unknown destination, awaiting the final judgement. This is echoed by Alpheus who stated that when a Multiverse breaks apart before its final evolution, it's sent back to the banks of creation which it was created by super celestial beings like Perpetua.

The Source/The Overvoid/ The Presence = Light: Although generally associated with different parts of DC cosmology, these three entities actually make up a single entity, the Light, as Joshua Williamson calls it. Each of the three points of view all existing as superior to the Greater Omniverse and the Unseen Council, as an impossible white void of immaculate perfection beyond all creations.

A few years earlier, Morrison had directly stated that the Overvoid and The Source were the same, just as Snyder did with The Presence and The Source. In the 2022s, Joshua Williamson presented the Light as the first "something" to come and grow from the Great Darkness and depicted the Light as the Overvoid featured in Morrison's works, and as the Giant Hand that concluded a truce with the Great Darkness in Allen Moore's Swamp Thing: American Gothic.

Great Darkness: In the 2022 limited series Justice League Incarnate and Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, Joshua Williamson brought the Great Darkness, introduced in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing: American Gothic, into the DC Cosmology in the Rebirth era. Williamson specifically references the original Great Darkness storyline from Swamp Thing, when Zatara died, and creation was nearly destroyed. Williamson fashioned the Great Darkness similarly to its original depiction in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, as the single all-encompassing black infinitude in which the Light was born and grew with creation within it.

Edit: I forgot the last sections.
 
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Crisis Cosmology

The DC Cosmology was primarily helmed by four authors in the late 2000s and 2022s. Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, and James Tynion IV and later Joshua Williamson made the most significant contributions to the cosmology during this era, with the development of concepts like the Overvoid, the Monitors, Perpetua, the Dark Multiverse, the Collective Unconscious, and other cosmological concepts that currently define DC as we know it. This cosmology draws heavily from the various pillars of the DC cosmology, such as the Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Monitor and Anti-Monitor, the Endless, and the various myths and gods incorporated into the canon. Despite some differences across these authors, the greater picture is consistent enough to consider them a single cosmological continuity. Although there were major differences between Joshua Williamson's work from the mid-2022 and that of Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV a year earlier, some of these contradictions were falsified with the conclusion of Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths and Dark Crisis: The Deadly Green.

Number of Universes: The number of universes was infinite before the Crisis on Infinite Earths which reduced it to a singular universe until the Infinite Crisis which brought back the multiverse with a set number of fifty-two universes occupying the same space at different frequencies constituting the "local" multiverse. However, there could be more universes outside those known with the discovery of the 53rd universe.

It was in the aftermath of the rebirth of the multiverse at the end of Death Metal “Anti-Crisis” that a new configuration of the multiverse emerged with countless new universes and an infinite stream of multiverses. It is possible that these "new" universes are actually those that were not known to anyone in the past configuration of the multiverse.

Geometric and Temporal Dimensions: As for the geometric and temporal dimensions, the multiverse is described as having a 4-D space-time continuum. This was the case for Grant Morrison's approach on the DC Cosmology that was later adopted by Scott Snyder, as evidenced in his Justice League run. In Mr. Mxyzptlk's own words: "The multiverse, as you live it, puny heads, exists in four dimensions..." He explained to the Justice League that they experiences the first four dimensions which, in Snyder's words, are point, line, depth, and time.

Despite Scott Snyder's comments about the notion that the dimensions mentioned by Mr. Mxyzptlk in his Justice League run are non-physics based, it's worth noting that when Mr. Mxyzptlk described the dimensionality of the multiverse, he did so almost verbatim in a way that represented a 4-D space-time continuum. This has been described before in better and more accurate terms in Grant Morrison's Action Comics #15: "There is a place beyond length, beyond width, beyond depth and time." In this way, Snyder's comments about the non-physics based dimensions only applies to the fifth and sixth dimensions.

The Bleed: The four-dimensionsal space between universes. It was described as the substance of life where the House of Heroes rotates through the fifth-dimensional axis in a fixed point in the multiversal structure of the Orrery of Worlds. Four siphons have been drilled in from the Monitor Sphere to the Orrery, to permit harvest of the miracle Ultramenstruum, known also known as Bleed, from the universes of the multiverse, that the Monitors refer to as 'germ worlds.'

Orrery of Worlds: The construct encompassing the local multiverse, originally created during the first contact of Monitor-Mind the Overvoid with the new creation within it. It also contains the Rock of Eternity and House of Heroes which exist outside the universes. When Monitor-Mind The Overvoid found the new creation, it created a concept to contain creation, scabbing it over in divine metal. At the bottom of the Orrery of Worlds is the World Forge inhabited by Alpheus the World Forger and his Dragon, Barbatos.

Speed Force Wall: An energy field otherwise known to the inhabitants of the Orrery as the Speed of Light. It is described as the limit to matter on the main map of the multiverse by Grant Morrison. Thus, beyond this superluminal barrier, matter is converted into pure information. This is important because outside this barrier starts a pattern of increasing levels of existence corresponding to less and less "realness" with archetypal realms inhabited by living ideas and thoughts.

Wonderworld: An enormous primal world orbiting the perimeter of the Orrery of Worlds at incredible velocities. Despite having no appearance in Morrison's works of the 2000s and those of Scott Snyder, it was deemed important enough by Morrison to devote an entire entry to the left side of the map of the multiverse.

Sphere of the Gods: An archetypal realm on the edge of the multiverse, outside the corporeal reality, whose inhabitants live on a higher plane of existence than the inhabitants of the Orrery of Worlds. It is the homeworld of all gods and deities worshiped by mortals. It was described as a spherical realm of pure magic surrounding the multiverse.

All realms of the Sphere of the Gods are called fictions, which author James Tynion IV explained as a reference to their connection to the Collective Unconscious, which manifests divinity through belief. The Sphere of the Gods is the source of magic, the fundamental power of creation and belief, and destroying said energy would result in the destruction of the material reality as a consequence.

Collective Unconscious: The collective ideal form of mortal souls above the Sphere of the Gods from which all gods and divine realms have arisen through the collective beliefs and imagination of humanity. In this way, all realms of the Sphere of the Gods are "fictions". It houses Hecate's personal realm, the Witch's Moon, a metaphor for the first mystery gazed upon by man.

Comic Book Limbo: The last outpost of existence, Limbo exists "nowhere" without time in the normal sense, it is the home of forgotten characters that are dumped from continuity. There are no stories in Limbo, except in the Book of Infinite Pages, which contains all the stories of Creation. It goes one step further into nothingness, as such, if someone stays in Limbo for too long, they lose memories and disappear from everyone's memory. It's completely outside and disconnected from the Orrery of Worlds, floating between it and the Thought Robot.

The statement "Music is over: We've run out of the Multiverse" doesn't mean that Limbo is outside of the whole creation, it only refers to Orrery of Worlds, because they used the Ultima Thule for traveling between universes which is a trans-dimensional yacht powered by sound vibrations, by altering its pitch and wavelength it is possible to travel to other universes (because each universe has a different frequency), i.e. music being over means that Limbo is outside of all parallel universes and the Orrery. There's no time in Limbo. "Time" in this context doesn't refer to the concept of time since the Monitor Sphere, above Limbo, has a time.

Monitor Sphere: An archetypal world and home to Nil, the world of the Monitors standing at the edge of the "art" and of the mind of God. As the mystery of the Orrery and Thought Robot caused Monitor-Mind to invent narratives to go along with it, the Monitor Sphere and Nil took shape outside the Sphere of the Gods. Remember from the previous section how going from the multiverse to Comic Book Limbo required crossing the Void. This is reflected in statements that Nil is part of the Void and that Monitor nanotechnology is coming from the Void to attack Limbo. Concepts like space, time and scale are more meaningful, profound, with "time" in the Monitor Sphere referring to the clockwork pattern in the sky. Time in Nil seems to function as a temporal dimension, because when it entered the Monitor Sphere, it form "beginnings" and "ends".

Fifth Dimension: Now we come to the Fifth Dimension which has a long history of retcon, but its depiction as imagination dates back to Grant Morrison's JLA: Crisis Times Five in 1999 and the 2008s Batman R.I.P story. Scott Snyder took this concept and applied it to the cosmology as the "blood" of the multiverse and flow of energy between the realms. Since it transcends time, the Fifth Dimension exists everywhere at once. It was also described as an Imaginary thought-construct. It is important to note that Mr. Mxyzptlk showed the entire multiverse map when he described the Fifth Dimension to the Justice League and said that it exists everywhere at once, which means that the Fifth Dimension encompasses everything on the multiverse map, except the Sixth Dimension and the Source Wall.

It is a very reasonable interpretation that the Fifth Dimension has a direct relationship to the Bleed. The House of Heroes, anchored at a fixed point in the Bleed, was said to rotate through the Fifth Dimension which, according to Mr. Mxyzptlk, exists all around the 4-dimensional spatiotemporal multiverse and was represented as imagination and the blood of the multiverse. Here are Mr. Mxyzptlk's own words when pointed out the entire map of the multiverse: "Now add imagination, which is outside of time, and... Poof! Ta-Da! it's everything at once, existing backward and forward simultaneously. Imagination is the blood of the multiverse, the energy that flows between the realms." In addition to the above points, the Monitors refer to Bleed as the substance of life itself, draining it out of creation and draining the life out of stories (this evidence can be found in the Monitor Sphere section further down). Given that Mxyz uses "unimagination" and reduces the story back to sketches, everything seems to line up. In this regard, the Fifth Dimension is the highest level of the Bleed.

Sixth Dimension: The final realm and the highest plane of existence of the multiverse, as Mr. Mxyzptlk calls it, a realm of the impossible where the multiverse was created and set in motion. As seen below, the Sixth Dimension and its inhabitants are depicted as far larger than the Multiverse. Mr. Mxyzptlk was only able to open a portal there because the Source Wall was destroyed, but the happenings of the Sixth Dimension are beyond even his perception.

In an Hero's Initiative interview with Scott Snyder, he describes the Sixth Dimension as a spherical layer that envelops the entire multiverse, being an emergency room where quintessential beings come to monitor all of creation and set the rules of things. He also said that the Source Wall is above the Sixth Dimension.

Dark Multiverse: A vast subconscious realm of dark matter upon which floats the Multiverse. It's the unintended side effect of the process of creating new worlds, coupled with the treachery of Barbatos. It consists of infinite worlds of nightmare, similar to the infinite timelines of the main Multiverse has. It is directly stated that Perpetua's original Creation had nothing to do with the formation of the Dark Multiverse. Some realms such as the Dreaming and the Phantom Zone have strong connections to the Dark Multiverse.

The Other Place: An empty Void of space inhabited by the Otherkind and the Upside-Down Man. Long since Hecate imprisonned the Upside-Down Man here since the dawn of the multiverse, he infected this place with his reality. It is the source of all dark magic that Hecate took a piece of and gave to humanity to "curse" them. Although in the 2018 relaunch of Justice League Dark, James Tynion IV presented the Great Darkness as the dark opposite to the Sphere of the Gods, connected to the Dark Multiverse, this notion was later retconned by Joshua Williamson who described the Great Darkness as the vast black infinitude preceding the Overvoid.

Promethean Galaxy and the Source Wall: While not a literal galaxy, the Promethean Galaxy is a realm as old as creation and farthest finite frontier of reality where the Source Wall is located. The Source Wall is the limit to thought and the protective shell around the multiverse, closing it off from the Greater Omniverse. In all directions from any universe within the multiverse, the wall is the final point, separating all of creation from the Overvoid. In Countdown, which contradicted Final Crisis in many ways it was said that the Source Wall separates universes. However, this does not fit with the rest of Morrison's works.

Nil did not have the Source Wall around it during Final Crisis, this is because the Source Wall was destroyed in Death of the New Gods, which was a lead-in comic to Final Crisis. Grant Morrison affirmed that elements of Final Crisis were intentionally written to match the events of DotNG in this interview.

New multiversal congiguration: Following Scott Snyder's Dark Nights: Death Metal, a new configuration of the multiverse emerged, with each previous iteration being restored and incorporated into a web of infinite multiverses constituting a "small" Omniverse within the Greater Omniverse, aligning with Morrison's early conceptualization of a multi-multiverse. One of these iterations is the "Multiverse-2" which was revealed to be the Pre-Crisis Multiverse. There is no Source Wall in this new iteration of the multiverse, as The Hands had removed all boundaries within it, deeming them unnecessary, when recreating the main multiverse.

Another change in this new iteration of the multiverse is that two new Earths have emerged: Earth Omega and Elseworld, replacing the Earth-0 position as the center of the multiverse, each being opposite one another. Earth Omega is an obscure reality and a piece of the Great Darkness. Barry Allen had to traverse all 52 universes of the known multiverse gathering enough multiversal energy to enter Earth Omega and discovered that there were no vibrational frequencies in Earth Omega.

Finally, this new configuration of the multiverse is divided into two different aspects, "space" and "time" constituting the Divine Continuum which has been described as an abstract representation of existence. Space, otherwise known as the Omniverse, is split into the Multiverse, which itself splits into the Metaverse aka Prime Earth, the Dark Multiverse and the Sphere of the Gods. The space aspect has always been changing, being shaping around Prime Earth referred to the Metalverse. It was stated that the Omniverse is more conceptual at its core. Time, otherwise known as Hypertime, is split into Limbo and the Vanishing Point. It was stated that Hypertime is more emotional at its core as it perpetually changes due to a natural reaction to the events as well as to direct manipulations of the Timestream.

Greater Omniverse/Overvoid: The impossible and all-consuming void of immaculate perfection where thoughts cease to be and an infinity of multiverse are created by super-celestial beings like Perpetua constituting a Greater Omniverse. Chronicler, a functionary of The Source, had recorded trillions of dying multiverses there. It should be noted that while Morrison treats the Overvoid as the non-dual and infinite canvas, this notion was later retconned in Scott Snyder's stories and the Overvoid now appears to have an end according to Perpetua and beings from the Greater Omniverse and some gods can travel through the Overvoid.

Unseen Council: This name has been used by Scott Snyder to describes a hierarchy, which eventually reaches the Source, like the Hands, Perpetua and the Cosmic Raptor who inhabit the Overvoid. According to Perpetua, the void has an end. This is where her siblings, the other supercelestials, reside. It was also said that the original multiverse was flying through the void to an unknown destination, awaiting the final judgement. This is echoed by Alpheus who stated that when a Multiverse breaks apart before its final evolution, it's sent back to the banks of creation which it was created by super celestial beings like Perpetua.
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I forgot the last sections of Crisis Cosmology.

The Source/The Overvoid/ The Presence = Light: Although generally associated with different parts of DC cosmology, these three entities actually make up a single entity, the Light, as Joshua Williamson calls it. Each of the three points of view all existing as superior to the Greater Omniverse and the Unseen Council, as an impossible white void of immaculate perfection beyond all creations.

A few years earlier, Morrison had directly stated that the Overvoid and The Source were the same, just as Snyder did with The Presence and The Source. In the 2022s, Joshua Williamson presented the Light as the first "something" to come and grow from the Great Darkness and depicted the Light as the Overvoid featured in Morrison's works, and as the Giant Hand that concluded a truce with the Great Darkness in Allen Moore's Swamp Thing: American Gothic.

Great Darkness: In the 2022 limited series Justice League Incarnate and Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, Joshua Williamson brought the Great Darkness, introduced in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing: American Gothic, into the DC Cosmology in the Rebirth era. Williamson specifically references the original Great Darkness storyline from Swamp Thing, when Zatara died, and creation was nearly destroyed. Williamson fashioned the Great Darkness similarly to its original depiction in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, as the single all-encompassing black infinitude in which the Light was born and grew with creation within it.
 
Now what I could add from Morrison's older stories:

The 5-D imps viewing the 3-D world as fiction seen in JLA: Crisis Times Five.

The Fifth Dimension encompassing Time and Hypertime seen in JLA: Crisis Times Five.

The Fifth Dimension being outside of creation seen in JLA: Crisis Times Five.

The 5-D imps latching onto actual times in his assault seen in Action Comics.

The informations of the New Gods and Heaven/Hell.

The information for the Elemental Realms.

The information of the 4-D spatiotemporal multiverse.

The information of Wonderworld.
 
Elizio33 said:
The 5-D imps viewing the 3-D world as fiction seen in JLA: Crisis Times Five.
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I have to definitely disagree with this being added, as most of the Perpetua storyline seems very concrete that Perpetua doesn't see the Orrery or its inhabitants as fictional.
 
Deagonx said:
I have to definitely disagree with this being added, as most of the Perpetua storyline seems very concrete that Perpetua doesn't see the Orrery or its inhabitants as fictional.
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For the most part I agree with you, but that could be interpreted to mean that since her sons are limited to the rules of the 3D world when they enter it and their power weakens at the same time, this could also apply to Perpetua, she is also a sixth dimensional being after all. Not to mention that during Snyder's Justice League, Mr. Mxyzptlk reduced the art (multiverse) to sketches, which could mean that he still considers the 3D world to be fiction.
 
Elizio33 said:
For the most part I agree with you, but that could be interpreted to mean that since her sons are limited to the rules of the 3D world when they enter it and their power weakens at the same time, this could also apply to Perpetua, she is also a sixth dimensional being after all.
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This is true, but I believe the full context of the storyline shows that this is not really the case. If she had an author-like R>F transcendence over the Orrery, it's hard to see why she would need to physically enter the Orrery to destroy the universes and recreate it from the ground up, which was her goal. She my have to change her form to enter, but I think it's definitely apparent that she doesn't see it as fake or fictional.
 
Okay then. Could you also help me with the spelling and grammar errors for the above information I provided regarding Crisis Cosmology? You can also add other information if I missed something.
 
Come to think of it, but didn't Snyder say in an interview that because Perpetua was impressive in the Source Wall, her stature and overall being was diminished? This could explain why to physically enter the Orrery to destroy its universes?
 
She also said that she was nearly full power when she started destroying the universe.
 
This is also because Snyder or any comic book writers try to write to make sure a story is good not convoluted powers that other works of fiction gets away with easier.

She in her logical state of power would be much higher since Monitor Sphere should see Orrery as fictional, while the 6th Dimension should oversee the structure that would become the Multiverse as just a condense ball which will evolve or break. Even though, she was nearly full power, she still is limited either way.

Her AP is confusing to settle for her position in the hierarchy.
 
Elizio33 said:
Crisis Cosmology

The DC Cosmology was primarily helmed by four authors in the late 2000s and 2022s. Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, and James Tynion IV and later Joshua Williamson made the most significant contributions to the cosmology during this era, with the development of concepts like the Overvoid, the Monitors, Perpetua, the Dark Multiverse, the Collective Unconscious, and other cosmological concepts that currently define DC as we know it. This cosmology draws heavily from the various pillars of the DC cosmology, such as the Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Monitor and Anti-Monitor, the Endless, and the various myths and gods incorporated into the canon. Despite some differences across these authors, the greater picture is consistent enough to consider them a single cosmological continuity. Although there were major differences between Joshua Williamson's work from the mid-2022 and that of Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV a year earlier, some of these contradictions were falsified with the conclusion of Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths and Dark Crisis: The Deadly Green.

Number of Universes: The number of universes was infinite before the Crisis on Infinite Earths which reduced it to a singular universe until the Infinite Crisis which brought back the multiverse with a set number of fifty-two universes occupying the same space at different frequencies constituting the "local" multiverse. However, there could be more universes outside those known with the discovery of the 53rd universe.

It was in the aftermath of the rebirth of the multiverse at the end of Death Metal “Anti-Crisis” that a new configuration of the multiverse emerged with countless new universes and an infinite stream of multiverses. It is possible that these "new" universes are actually those that were not known to anyone in the past configuration of the multiverse.

Geometric and Temporal Dimensions: As for the geometric and temporal dimensions, the multiverse is described as having a 4-D space-time continuum. This was the case for Grant Morrison's approach on the DC Cosmology that was later adopted by Scott Snyder, as evidenced in his Justice League run. In Mr. Mxyzptlk's own words: "The multiverse, as you live it, puny heads, exists in four dimensions..." He explained to the Justice League that they experiences the first four dimensions which, in Snyder's words, are point, line, depth, and time.

Despite Scott Snyder's comments about the notion that the dimensions mentioned by Mr. Mxyzptlk in his Justice League run are non-physics based, it's worth noting that when Mr. Mxyzptlk described the dimensionality of the multiverse, he did so almost verbatim in a way that represented a 4-D space-time continuum. This has been described before in better and more accurate terms in Grant Morrison's Action Comics #15: "There is a place beyond length, beyond width, beyond depth and time." In this way, Snyder's comments about the non-physics based dimensions only applies to the fifth and sixth dimensions.

The Bleed: The four-dimensionsal space between universes. It was described as the substance of life where the House of Heroes rotates through the fifth-dimensional axis in a fixed point in the multiversal structure of the Orrery of Worlds. Four siphons have been drilled in from the Monitor Sphere to the Orrery, to permit harvest of the miracle Ultramenstruum, known also known as Bleed, from the universes of the multiverse, that the Monitors refer to as 'germ worlds.'

Orrery of Worlds: The construct encompassing the local multiverse, originally created during the first contact of Monitor-Mind the Overvoid with the new creation within it. It also contains the Rock of Eternity and House of Heroes which exist outside the universes. When Monitor-Mind The Overvoid found the new creation, it created a concept to contain creation, scabbing it over in divine metal. At the bottom of the Orrery of Worlds is the World Forge inhabited by Alpheus the World Forger and his Dragon, Barbatos.

Speed Force Wall: An energy field otherwise known to the inhabitants of the Orrery as the Speed of Light. It is described as the limit to matter on the main map of the multiverse by Grant Morrison. Thus, beyond this superluminal barrier, matter is converted into pure information. This is important because outside this barrier starts a pattern of increasing levels of existence corresponding to less and less "realness" with archetypal realms inhabited by living ideas and thoughts.

Wonderworld: An enormous primal world orbiting the perimeter of the Orrery of Worlds at incredible velocities. Despite having no appearance in Morrison's works of the 2000s and those of Scott Snyder, it was deemed important enough by Morrison to devote an entire entry to the left side of the map of the multiverse.

Sphere of the Gods: An archetypal realm on the edge of the multiverse, outside the corporeal reality, whose inhabitants live on a higher plane of existence than the inhabitants of the Orrery of Worlds. It is the homeworld of all gods and deities worshiped by mortals. It was described as a spherical realm of pure magic surrounding the multiverse.

All realms of the Sphere of the Gods are called fictions, which author James Tynion IV explained as a reference to their connection to the Collective Unconscious, which manifests divinity through belief. The Sphere of the Gods is the source of magic, the fundamental power of creation and belief, and destroying said energy would result in the destruction of the material reality as a consequence.

Collective Unconscious: The collective ideal form of mortal souls above the Sphere of the Gods from which all gods and divine realms have arisen through the collective beliefs and imagination of humanity. In this way, all realms of the Sphere of the Gods are "fictions". It houses Hecate's personal realm, the Witch's Moon, a metaphor for the first mystery gazed upon by man.

Comic Book Limbo: The last outpost of existence, Limbo exists "nowhere" without time in the normal sense, it is the home of forgotten characters that are dumped from continuity. There are no stories in Limbo, except in the Book of Infinite Pages, which contains all the stories of Creation. It goes one step further into nothingness, as such, if someone stays in Limbo for too long, they lose memories and disappear from everyone's memory. It's completely outside and disconnected from the Orrery of Worlds, floating between it and the Thought Robot.

The statement "Music is over: We've run out of the Multiverse" doesn't mean that Limbo is outside of the whole creation, it only refers to Orrery of Worlds, because they used the Ultima Thule for traveling between universes which is a trans-dimensional yacht powered by sound vibrations, by altering its pitch and wavelength it is possible to travel to other universes (because each universe has a different frequency), i.e. music being over means that Limbo is outside of all parallel universes and the Orrery. There's no time in Limbo. "Time" in this context doesn't refer to the concept of time since the Monitor Sphere, above Limbo, has a time.

Monitor Sphere: An archetypal world and home to Nil, the world of the Monitors standing at the edge of the "art" and of the mind of God. As the mystery of the Orrery and Thought Robot caused Monitor-Mind to invent narratives to go along with it, the Monitor Sphere and Nil took shape outside the Sphere of the Gods. Remember from the previous section how going from the multiverse to Comic Book Limbo required crossing the Void. This is reflected in statements that Nil is part of the Void and that Monitor nanotechnology is coming from the Void to attack Limbo. Concepts like space, time and scale are more meaningful, profound, with "time" in the Monitor Sphere referring to the clockwork pattern in the sky. Time in Nil seems to function as a temporal dimension, because when it entered the Monitor Sphere, it form "beginnings" and "ends".

Fifth Dimension: Now we come to the Fifth Dimension which has a long history of retcon, but its depiction as imagination dates back to Grant Morrison's JLA: Crisis Times Five in 1999 and the 2008s Batman R.I.P story. Scott Snyder took this concept and applied it to the cosmology as the "blood" of the multiverse and flow of energy between the realms. Since it transcends time, the Fifth Dimension exists everywhere at once. It was also described as an Imaginary thought-construct. It is important to note that Mr. Mxyzptlk showed the entire multiverse map when he described the Fifth Dimension to the Justice League and said that it exists everywhere at once, which means that the Fifth Dimension encompasses everything on the multiverse map, except the Sixth Dimension and the Source Wall.

It is a very reasonable interpretation that the Fifth Dimension has a direct relationship to the Bleed. The House of Heroes, anchored at a fixed point in the Bleed, was said to rotate through the Fifth Dimension which, according to Mr. Mxyzptlk, exists all around the 4-dimensional spatiotemporal multiverse and was represented as imagination and the blood of the multiverse. Here are Mr. Mxyzptlk's own words when pointed out the entire map of the multiverse: "Now add imagination, which is outside of time, and... Poof! Ta-Da! it's everything at once, existing backward and forward simultaneously. Imagination is the blood of the multiverse, the energy that flows between the realms." In addition to the above points, the Monitors refer to Bleed as the substance of life itself, draining it out of creation and draining the life out of stories (this evidence can be found in the Monitor Sphere section further down). Given that Mxyz uses "unimagination" and reduces the story back to sketches, everything seems to line up. In this regard, the Fifth Dimension is the highest level of the Bleed.

Sixth Dimension: The final realm and the highest plane of existence of the multiverse, as Mr. Mxyzptlk calls it, a realm of the impossible where the multiverse was created and set in motion. As seen below, the Sixth Dimension and its inhabitants are depicted as far larger than the Multiverse. Mr. Mxyzptlk was only able to open a portal there because the Source Wall was destroyed, but the happenings of the Sixth Dimension are beyond even his perception.

In an Hero's Initiative interview with Scott Snyder, he describes the Sixth Dimension as a spherical layer that envelops the entire multiverse, being an emergency room where quintessential beings come to monitor all of creation and set the rules of things. He also said that the Source Wall is above the Sixth Dimension.

Dark Multiverse: A vast subconscious realm of dark matter upon which floats the Multiverse. It's the unintended side effect of the process of creating new worlds, coupled with the treachery of Barbatos. It consists of infinite worlds of nightmare, similar to the infinite timelines of the main Multiverse has. It is directly stated that Perpetua's original Creation had nothing to do with the formation of the Dark Multiverse. Some realms such as the Dreaming and the Phantom Zone have strong connections to the Dark Multiverse.

The Other Place: An empty Void of space inhabited by the Otherkind and the Upside-Down Man. Long since Hecate imprisonned the Upside-Down Man here since the dawn of the multiverse, he infected this place with his reality. It is the source of all dark magic that Hecate took a piece of and gave to humanity to "curse" them. Although in the 2018 relaunch of Justice League Dark, James Tynion IV presented the Great Darkness as the dark opposite to the Sphere of the Gods, connected to the Dark Multiverse, this notion was later retconned by Joshua Williamson who described the Great Darkness as the vast black infinitude preceding the Overvoid.

Promethean Galaxy and the Source Wall: While not a literal galaxy, the Promethean Galaxy is a realm as old as creation and farthest finite frontier of reality where the Source Wall is located. The Source Wall is the limit to thought and the protective shell around the multiverse, closing it off from the Greater Omniverse. In all directions from any universe within the multiverse, the wall is the final point, separating all of creation from the Overvoid. In Countdown, which contradicted Final Crisis in many ways it was said that the Source Wall separates universes. However, this does not fit with the rest of Morrison's works.

Nil did not have the Source Wall around it during Final Crisis, this is because the Source Wall was destroyed in Death of the New Gods, which was a lead-in comic to Final Crisis. Grant Morrison affirmed that elements of Final Crisis were intentionally written to match the events of DotNG in this interview.

New multiversal congiguration: Following Scott Snyder's Dark Nights: Death Metal, a new configuration of the multiverse emerged, with each previous iteration being restored and incorporated into a web of infinite multiverses constituting a "small" Omniverse within the Greater Omniverse, aligning with Morrison's early conceptualization of a multi-multiverse. One of these iterations is the "Multiverse-2" which was revealed to be the Pre-Crisis Multiverse. There is no Source Wall in this new iteration of the multiverse, as The Hands had removed all boundaries within it, deeming them unnecessary, when recreating the main multiverse.

Another change in this new iteration of the multiverse is that two new Earths have emerged: Earth Omega and Elseworld, replacing the Earth-0 position as the center of the multiverse, each being opposite one another. Earth Omega is an obscure reality and a piece of the Great Darkness. Barry Allen had to traverse all 52 universes of the known multiverse gathering enough multiversal energy to enter Earth Omega and discovered that there were no vibrational frequencies in Earth Omega.

Finally, this new configuration of the multiverse is divided into two different aspects, "space" and "time" constituting the Divine Continuum which has been described as an abstract representation of existence. Space, otherwise known as the Omniverse, is split into the Multiverse, which itself splits into the Metaverse aka Prime Earth, the Dark Multiverse and the Sphere of the Gods. The space aspect has always been changing, being shaping around Prime Earth referred to the Metalverse. It was stated that the Omniverse is more conceptual at its core. Time, otherwise known as Hypertime, is split into Limbo and the Vanishing Point. It was stated that Hypertime is more emotional at its core as it perpetually changes due to a natural reaction to the events as well as to direct manipulations of the Timestream.

Greater Omniverse/Overvoid: The impossible and all-consuming void of immaculate perfection where thoughts cease to be and an infinity of multiverse are created by super-celestial beings like Perpetua constituting a Greater Omniverse. Chronicler, a functionary of The Source, had recorded trillions of dying multiverses there. It should be noted that while Morrison treats the Overvoid as the non-dual and infinite canvas, this notion was later retconned in Scott Snyder's stories and the Overvoid now appears to have an end according to Perpetua and beings from the Greater Omniverse and some gods can travel through the Overvoid.

Unseen Council: This name has been used by Scott Snyder to describes a hierarchy, which eventually reaches the Source, like the Hands, Perpetua and the Cosmic Raptor who inhabit the Overvoid. According to Perpetua, the void has an end. This is where her siblings, the other supercelestials, reside. It was also said that the original multiverse was flying through the void to an unknown destination, awaiting the final judgement. This is echoed by Alpheus who stated that when a Multiverse breaks apart before its final evolution, it's sent back to the banks of creation which it was created by super celestial beings like Perpetua.

The Source/The Overvoid/ The Presence = Light: Although generally associated with different parts of DC cosmology, these three entities actually make up a single entity, the Light, as Joshua Williamson calls it. Each of the three points of view all existing as superior to the Greater Omniverse and the Unseen Council, as an impossible white void of immaculate perfection beyond all creations.

A few years earlier, Morrison had directly stated that the Overvoid and The Source were the same, just as Snyder did with The Presence and The Source. In the 2022s, Joshua Williamson presented the Light as the first "something" to come and grow from the Great Darkness and depicted the Light as the Overvoid featured in Morrison's works, and as the Giant Hand that concluded a truce with the Great Darkness in Allen Moore's Swamp Thing: American Gothic.

Great Darkness: In the 2022 limited series Justice League Incarnate and Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths, Joshua Williamson brought the Great Darkness, introduced in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing: American Gothic, into the DC Cosmology in the Rebirth era. Williamson specifically references the original Great Darkness storyline from Swamp Thing, when Zatara died, and creation was nearly destroyed. Williamson fashioned the Great Darkness similarly to its original depiction in Alan Moore's Swamp Thing, as the single all-encompassing black infinitude in which the Light was born and grew with creation within it.

Edit: I forgot the last sections.
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Is anyone willing to help expand on this or help me if I've made mistakes or missed details? How would Morrison's older works like JLA or Animal Man fit into all of this? Should we cherry-pick certain elements from Morrison's older stories, those that are not outdated or at odds with more recent information? If yes, which ones?
 
Antvasima said:
@catzlaflame
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Quickly glancing over it, the content is solid, but the actual write-up could definitely use some work. It’s too much to edit it one fell swoop, but I’ll try to edit each paragraph one at a time.
Elizio33 said:
Crisis Cosmology

The DC Cosmology was primarily helmed by four authors in the late 2000s and 2022s. Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, and James Tynion IV and later Joshua Williamson made the most significant contributions to the cosmology during this era, with the development of concepts like the Overvoid, the Monitors, Perpetua, the Dark Multiverse, the Collective Unconscious, and other cosmological concepts that currently define DC as we know it. This cosmology draws heavily from the various pillars of the DC cosmology, such as the Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Monitor and Anti-Monitor, the Endless, and the various myths and gods incorporated into the canon. Despite some differences across these authors, the greater picture is consistent enough to consider them a single cosmological continuity. Although there were major differences between Joshua Williamson's work from the mid-2022 and that of Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV a year earlier, some of these contradictions were falsified with the conclusion of Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths and Dark Crisis: The Deadly Green.
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Throughout the 21st century, the DC Cosmology was established primarily by four authors: Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and Joshua Williamson. Collectively, these individuals were responsible for the development of concepts such as the Overvoid, the Monitors, Perpetua, the Dark Multiverse, the Collective Unconscious, etc. Their iteration of the cosmology draws heavily from principles preordained by previous authors; notably, the Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Monitor/Anti-Monitor, and the Endless. It is worth mentioning that, while there were major differences between Williamson's work and that of Synder/Tynion IV a year prior, most of these contradictions can be explained through Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths and Dark Crisis: The Deadly Green. Essentially, despite some discrepancies between these authors’ interpretations, in the grand scheme of things, their portrayal of DC’s setting is consistent enough to be considered a single cosmological continuity.


@Antvasima Regarding your earlier @, yes I am willing to help with improving the quality of the DC pages; I intend to eventually make a thread that sorts through which pages are salvageable and which pages are better off gone. From there I’ll try to pump out CRTs. Though having recently got into Nursing school, I’m very busy with school work so it may be a while. I’ll have much more time post-December.
 
Why is it always Flash who gets crazy feats. It's like there's a competition at DC to see who can one-up the previous writer. Wonder if he'll keep this ability or not.
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Elizio33 said:
Is anyone willing to help expand on this or help me if I've made mistakes or missed details? How would Morrison's older works like JLA or Animal Man fit into all of this? Should we cherry-pick certain elements from Morrison's older stories, those that are not outdated or at odds with more recent information? If yes, which ones?
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Morrison used the Grand Unified Theory and Bohm’s Implacate theory. Which just is a stacking of reality as they unfold on each other and it goes into infinite. Each one is a higher “order.”

Animal Man #14 and #19 which Morrison was still writing then.
 
Why didn't anyone use the scan from issue 4(page 5) of Sandman Overture? Not sure about which type of Acasuality it would grant, but I recall a scene where Dream visited his father, Time. As they talked, it's stated that said realm reversed Cause and Effect or disconnected it entirely.

I'm by no means an expert with it comes to powers and abilities. So I'll leave that up to everyone else to judge what that would grant and for who.
 
I would appreciate some feedback on my Time Trapper sandbox
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Time Trapper Rework (+ Key Removal Proposal)

The living embodiment of entropy lacked scans and references, so here's my attempt at reworking his profile: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:TimeTrapperFanBoy/sandbox In addition to this rework, I propose that we remove "With the Time Trapper's powers" key from Superboy Prime's profile...
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catzlaflame said:
Quickly glancing over it, the content is solid, but the actual write-up could definitely use some work. It’s too much to edit it one fell swoop, but I’ll try to edit each paragraph one at a time.

Throughout the 21st century, the DC Cosmology was established primarily by four authors: Grant Morrison, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, and Joshua Williamson. Collectively, these individuals were responsible for the development of concepts such as the Overvoid, the Monitors, Perpetua, the Dark Multiverse, the Collective Unconscious, etc. Their iteration of the cosmology draws heavily from principles preordained by previous authors; notably, the Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Monitor/Anti-Monitor, and the Endless. It is worth mentioning that, while there were major differences between Williamson's work and that of Synder/Tynion IV a year prior, most of these contradictions can be explained through Dark Crisis on Infinite Earths and Dark Crisis: The Deadly Green. Essentially, despite some discrepancies between these authors’ interpretations, in the grand scheme of things, their portrayal of DC’s setting is consistent enough to be considered a single cosmological continuity.


@Antvasima Regarding your earlier @, yes I am willing to help with improving the quality of the DC pages; I intend to eventually make a thread that sorts through which pages are salvageable and which pages are better off gone. From there I’ll try to pump out CRTs. Though having recently got into Nursing school, I’m very busy with school work so it may be a while. I’ll have much more time post-December.
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Thank you very much for helping out. 🙏🙂
 
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