No, You are wrong, I agree if cosmology is separated but it will be clearer after the blog is updated
I see, I also don't want to get out off topic that thread which is muddled with current cosmology complaints.
Understandable. I was just saying that we have no hard evidence that God always encompasses the Great Darkness in the writers' stories used in Crisis Cosmology, as Moore originally intended in his stories.
I asked for proof of the official separation of Vertigo and Dc cosmologies, as obviously there were none. I even provided evidence from the Dc guidebook that the plot of Vertigo is canon for all of Dc.
You know that the gods are more objective and existed long before the multiverse (physical)? The Endless are also outside the gods, but this doesn’t give them much of a qualitative difference
You don't seem to know that the Source used to be the other side of Anti-Life and didn't contain it? Moreover, the Source even had a personal enemy who intended to destroy it.
The same place can have many different descriptions and interpretations, but this does not make the place a different cosmology.
Well the point of the question doesn't change much, only in the question of why the interpretation of one is higher than the other
No, they are much above the gods as explained by how gods function on belief and dreams which is being expressed by the Dream King himself, as he personifies said concept.
Who didn't win.
Except when Cosmology establishes a certain premise not meant to be contradicted. You can't talk about what I said directly and not think about the other stuff to highlights the reason why there's a split.
No one is higher but what's already established to make a Cosmology can be contradicted. If what information is said to be the core of what makes a Cosmology from one author's intention then changing that makes a different stance on whatever it is. That changes the meaning and intention of the original work and the status quo is ultimately changed.
Superman, in most of his appearances, does not destroy anything more than walls or buildings. Should Superman be demoted to the level of a building?
That's heavy false equivalence. Especially when we're talking about how Cosmology is established which works in tandem with the characters in it. We don't use the heroes to scale the Cosmology itself, we establish the Cosmology to then fit where the characters will be. So scaling the Sphere, for example, is much better than scaling the gods to scale the Sphere.
Are angels gods too?
By the way, if we are talking about Superman and the rules created to say that one-moment feats should not be taken into account (I hope we are talking about it) then it is meaningless as you can not measure that average between each feat, it is literally not a measurable thing, and demoting Superman to a star just because the author said "now he can not play juggler with the planets" is also a very biased position, as these words can be interpreted in different ways, such as the fact that he relative to his opponents and threats is not the same as before
What angels scale to Heaven and Endless other than Michael and Lucifer?
If it makes the core of what the author intended, then yes, changing that changes the status quo implemented by the original intent of the author.
This is a literal cosmological comparison, where cosmology is given a level for direction from the authors. If the same cosmological construction is indicated by one author as 10D, and by another as 20D, then which one should be used? The gods live in the Sphere, it is very stupid not to scale them. Or is it not necessary to scale five-dimensional inhabitants to 5D? Seriously?
You say gods, but angels are not gods at all, what to do with them?
There are many authors, not just one, and even one author can make mistakes in his works, but this will not make his work in some other universe, it is still the same canon
Angels scale to their place of origin like how the gods to theirs. So the Endless is above both classes.
A “mistake” is often rare and is more purposeful than anything. There's also no official “DC Canon.” Stories work or don't work with each other especially if it's made clear within the context and setting of the story.
This was answered by the blog. The best way to determine things like that is consistency and coherent logic.
It turns out that God is not stronger than Morpheus? It seems strange
It turns out that the Demattheis Spectre is non-canonical for the rest of Dc, some new discoveries, right?
Well I think it can easily be done like with Marvel, where it is declared that reality is a mosaic where there is no one answer, and many contradictory truths can exist simultaneously.
It turns out that God is above the other gods.
Does anyone use the Dream Logic? Hal Jordan being the Spectre is the strongest link yet most stories already recall him being the Spectre.
Appearances almost have no value on canonicity especially if the story itself is non-canon. The direction that one establishes to make the Cosmology needs to be built on some sort of core. For Matteis, it's the Dream Logic and all existence dreamed by God and that every human is God. Characters are written by multiple authors such as Spectre, Phantom Stranger, etc…does not change anything to connect Cosmology simply because they appear in a story written by a certain author.
It's almost like you answered yourself as to why the split happened. Unless, you're being sarcastic here then you answered yourself.
If it's that apparent to you then try. It's not so easy to say contradictions exist in the context of trying to connect ideas of one big Cosmology. Wish you luck on that but I doubt it goes far, if anywhere.
Subjective contradiction, okay
If a character comes from a different cosmology, then he can no longer be a character in the cosmology of a certain author by definition. There is no official split of cosmology, why then should such rhetoric have any power at all?
The split of cosmology should only take place when it is officially confirmed by the authors that their cosmology is not canonical for the rest of the universe. Authors do not write comics for the wiki
Considering that direct proofs are ignored here, yes, most likely no one will accept, lol
Lol. This is Tyranny of course
“Proofs” is subjective. It would be common sense by how you're saying it.
Damn Ant cold wit it
Need to be afraid
I don't remember Grant ever bringing up Kabbalah in regards to his work on DC.
I don't think most people here believe it's an objective structure. It is completely fluid, but that's because authors are inconsistent and don't have a unified vision of the cosmology. We could interpret that through the lens of the cosmology being bound by belief/perception but that wouldn't IMO be justification in and of itself for any sort of composite scaling. If anything we could argue the opposite is what is most justified by that information.
Well, I'm not sure I could say he's using Kabbalah terms wrong because (till now) I have not seen him use Kabbalah terms in anything, comic or interview. Where is that from?
He hasn't used it in the story he writes for DC other than slight mentions. It is more interviews and his own personal superstories he writes that he uses it and even then it's very brief.
