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there isn't much precog in OPM afaik
I don't get the inflation either, all I've been arguing for is an absurd speed ramp and dura neg
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Garou VS Kaidou
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I don't get the inflation either, all I've been arguing for is an absurd speed ramp and dura neg
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but is enel so
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No it is not. That value comes from the temperature of lightning which is 5x the sun temperature which is 5600 C.
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Yes it is, I've already provided citation. And no, that's just support, the main one is the steel vaporization.
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Reading your comments literally puts me on the verge of having an anursym.
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Kaidou literally has blitz amp techniques, blitz blitz amp techniques, blitz blitz blitz amp techniques, and more, and they all scale below regular kenbun which is below his future sight
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Platinum Sperm doesn't have precognition.
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Again kaido amps are just ¨faster by a uknown amount¨ while garou RE make him jump from MHS+ to FTL
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does the precog give him the ability to react actually?
If so, Atium finna have a rival
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Luffy went from low end MHS+ to mid end Rel with his RPL (I need to apply it the thread went through), then has several blitz level techniques and Kaidou can match the pace of all of them
In wiki value growth is trash and not how we run things. That’s like adding 1c to your speed then adding 1c to your speed while you’re already 1c. You treat it like a multiplier when that isn’t accepted
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His precog is ridiculously blitz level over a simple blitz please don’t start
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Garou's growth do be inconsistent in speed
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Because Akainu's Aura doesn't cover a wide range like Ace's Mera Mera? Nice AoE fallacy, that just means the range of his Aura has a limit.
Heating up large amounts of any material is going to require higher amounts of heat to accomplish, especially all in one go. Wrong again.
You definitely did, you didn't even get a single agreement last time using this argument. Lol nice try.
Vaporizing steel is 28,000, nothing you say is going to change that.
LivinMeme doesn't even know why lightning gets so hot, so he's not right as per my last comment.
Citation? The vaporization of rock is already established, stop using these bad strawman fallacies.
Two completely different material with two different melting, boiling and vaporization points.
Oh great the "no u" argument. Classic Ultimate5105 tier arguments.
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Irrelevant, Precog is useless if your body can't even move before getting blitzed.
Not even accepted by the wiki or used in any kind of calculation guidelines. I can also make a blog and pull new values, it doesn't mean they are accepted. Also nowhere there it states that's the minimum temperature needed to vaporize steel.
What?
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Que?does the precog give him the ability to react actually?
If so, Atium finna have a rival
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The problem is that
1. Garou has better feats and more consistent
2. Luffy isn't showing that type of RPL in his figth against kaidou
Also growth value ain't useless, there are a entire ability for that
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Kenbunshoku grants IR, and no that depends on the mechanics of said precognition. Kaidou's is temporal based, he can see dozens of seconds to minutes into the future, with a time frame like that, yes Kaidou would in fact be able to react accordingly. Also you linked Instinctive Reaction, very different than future sight.
The calculation was looked at and accepted by Mitch. I really don't care what you think to be frank, its currently accepted via virtue of it being used on the wiki. You can make a CRT about the topic otherwise im done with this.
Because that's the only way to vaporize steel?
I'm pretty sure that's torn directly from the boiling point of steel PDF that you can find on Google. Vaporizing and boiling are two different things.
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Kaido's precognition isn't minutes long, what?
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It can go up to low end minutes given that other FS users like Kata could arguably see a few minutes into the future with the Sugar / Sanji feat.
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Luffy's Gear 3rd went from High 6-C to 6-A and low end Rel+ to FTL in his fight against Kaidou. He is showing that RPL.
He has like 1 better feat. He doesn't have 5 tier jumps every 5 seconds.
Growth value via wiki stats is ignored because wiki stats aren't how we measure amps. If that MHS+ rating gets upgraded in 10 seconds is he now gonna get axed in his speed?
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Kaidou's precognition scales relative to Luffy's precognition, which scales relative to Katakuri's precognition, and both Luffy and Katakuri have feats of seeing up to minutes in the future
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This is pretty close.
Garou’s dura negation doesn’t work cause his Fa Jin should be as strong as himself AP wise and since Kaidou is evidently as durable inside than outside it’s really wanky to say it would hurt him anything more than regular punches. Regular punches wouldn’t work as well since a x4 difference (which is apparently the max it can get to) isn’t taking out anyone instantly anyway. Garou can eventually just speedblitz Kaidou to the extent where precognition doesn’t work (cause a x8 difference is absolutely gonna bypass that unless OP has any specific feats for precog making up for a larger speed gap) and Kaidou will eventually just become paste but Garou’s RE is not instant (it is pretty fast by this point in his monsterization tho) and before that point it seems like Kaidou has a fair few instagibs which are gonna hit cause of the precog.
Voting Kaidou rn, could change my mind though.
Garou’s dura negation doesn’t work cause his Fa Jin should be as strong as himself AP wise and since Kaidou is evidently as durable inside than outside it’s really wanky to say it would hurt him anything more than regular punches. Regular punches wouldn’t work as well since a x4 difference (which is apparently the max it can get to) isn’t taking out anyone instantly anyway. Garou can eventually just speedblitz Kaidou to the extent where precognition doesn’t work (cause a x8 difference is absolutely gonna bypass that unless OP has any specific feats for precog making up for a larger speed gap) and Kaidou will eventually just become paste but Garou’s RE is not instant (it is pretty fast by this point in his monsterization tho) and before that point it seems like Kaidou has a fair few instagibs which are gonna hit cause of the precog.
Voting Kaidou rn, could change my mind though.
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Enel was MHS+ and his Mantra was reacting to Rel speeds that blitzed his person
OP has specific feats for precog making up for a larger speed gap
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Also not even sure why the steel shit even matters much here given that it doesn't change the value too much, either upscaling from the temp of lightning or Sanji's DJ which can ionize air.
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Katakuri's precognition is stated in canon to be very brief. That's literally what he's hyped up for, "his CoO is so advanced he can see briefly into the future!". In another translation, "the near future". Feats such as what? They are probably PIS.
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Stick to using only skills that are in the profile at the moment, please.
Talking about skills that we don't even know if they will be accepted in the future makes no sense.
If Kaido could see into the future then he would have been able to see his own defeat against Luffy during their final clash.
Being able to see the future/=being able to do something about it. If you are getting blitzed faster than you can possibly move your body no precog can save you, don't be ridiculous.
Talking about skills that we don't even know if they will be accepted in the future makes no sense.
If Kaido could see into the future then he would have been able to see his own defeat against Luffy during their final clash.
Being able to see the future/=being able to do something about it. If you are getting blitzed faster than you can possibly move your body no precog can save you, don't be ridiculous.
A single calc group member accepting something doesn't mean shit, I can go there and reject the calc (since the wiki doesn't actually state the minimum temperature needed to vaporize steel) and there's nothing you could do about it, my words have as much weight as Mitch's.
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Kaidou is already confirmed to be a future sight user and it's always in his profile, so perhaps bother reading said profile before acting as like we're making things up.
You have minutes to act before any action is even taken. That's plenty of time to react, that's the entire point of precognition in the first place, especially temporal based forms.
Two calc members technically, as Clover also agrees with using 28,000C for steel vaping. You can make a CRT as i said before, if you have issues with it then make a CRT as anyone else should do.
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Who told you its very brief???
The dude flat our sensed an entire sentence in his introduction.
He sensed Luffy's entire plan of action of putting Brulee and Katakuri into a mirror before he even started the plan of action.
He sensed a barrage of attacks that would stretch out for a long period of time and dodged it (Kong Organ, Gatling Gun, Black Mamba)
"PIS" my ass
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He's not saying that steel vaporization is that high.
He's saying that vaporizing steel nigh-instantaneously is superior to plasma torches which vaporize at a lower speed, which burn that high
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Thank you KT.
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It's literally in his profile right now and it's been accepted and stated to blatantly be the case
Katakuri has done this to Snakeman and Boundman. Luffy has done this to Kaidou's Thunder Bagua. Kaidou did this to Snakeman.
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Garou jumped from 6-A to 5-C so i don't know about that. And again that seems very inconsistent
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