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Luffy has had a drastic jump in strength literally in every single arc of One Piece save for FMI and Punk Hazard
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Garou VS Kaidou
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Its not a wide range it’s literally less then a inch from where you say his aura is 28000 C
Surface Area/=/volume. if you put two things with the same volume but different surface areas and Heat them up the one with the larger surface area will heat up faster
Yeah arguing with One Piece fans. I wonder which side they will support.
No once something boils it is starting to be vaporized
Thats how hot you would need to be to instantly vaporize rock. It’s using the same logic as your instantly vaping steel
Yeah I accounted for that by making it lower
Better then the argument which is just saying no.
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Why would I need to make a CRT when Clover didn't make one to use it for his calc? It makes no sense.
... by training over periods of time, and what does this have anything to do with Kaido..?
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Because it's already accepted? Reviewed by two calc members? Because it's already on profiles? It makes perfect sense.
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In Syrup Village he upped from 2 perception blitzes against Kuro in the same fight.
In Arlong Park he went from Arlong noselling his hits to Arlong getting put unconscious with a kick in the same fight.
In Skypiea he fought a dude who Enel shattered his skate (which took a hit from Luffy) and Enel being drastically faster than him, then upped to blitzing and one shotting Enel with his Haki activated.
In Water 7 to Enies Lobby he went from getting tossed by the weakest member to matching the strongest member with no training whatsoever.
In WCI he went from getting tossed by a field soldier to 1v1ing their strongest commander.
In Wano he went from getting pushed back by Ulti to 1v1ing Kaidou.
No training
Kaidou matched his growth the entire fight
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Also, a much, much weaker Garou can resist temperatures higher than 10,000 C° (which doesn't come a random wikipedia page with barely any sources, but from an actual statement).
The source and references on the page itself do not indicate where the information was taken from.
The statement is good for nothing.
And he has no such ability.
The source and references on the page itself do not indicate where the information was taken from.
The statement is good for nothing.
There's no proof Kaido grew in any way.
And he has no such ability.
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I believe that Garou's growth is inconsistent, or at least his performance against Platinum Sperm shouldn't be used as justification for how fast he evolves in every form. If he evolved that quickly all the time, he'd have defeated Sage Centipede in far less time than it actually took. So while he does evolve quickly, I feel like it also has to do with the kinds of opponents he fights, the ones who stimulate the most growth out of him. The reason he was able to tier jump so quickly against Saitama was because he was holding back against Garou and allowed him to keep fighting. Even against Darkshine, I think one of the reasons Garou was able to evolve and didn't just die is that Darkshine wasted time monologuing about heroism, which allowed Garou the chance to recover and enrage him further to evolve.
At the same time, I don't think that Kaido ever showed proof of reactive evolution during the battle. He showed amazing skill, and he could replicate techniques the same way that Luffy can replicate techniques by looking at them, but I don't think it was every explicitly stated that he was growing throughout the fight. I mean, it's possible that this Haki could grow, but I'm not sure if it's at the same level as people like Luffy, since he's the MC with a special devil fruit power so there might be exceptions. I mean, could Kaido have some sort of Awakening during this fight? Maybe, but I'm not sure what it would look like.
Honestly, I'm not sure who would win. I don't know how quickly Garou could evolve to overcome Kaido, and I don't know how effective his attacks would be against Kaido either, since Kaido's dealt with plenty of attacks that negate durability by targeting organs.
At the same time, I don't think that Kaido ever showed proof of reactive evolution during the battle. He showed amazing skill, and he could replicate techniques the same way that Luffy can replicate techniques by looking at them, but I don't think it was every explicitly stated that he was growing throughout the fight. I mean, it's possible that this Haki could grow, but I'm not sure if it's at the same level as people like Luffy, since he's the MC with a special devil fruit power so there might be exceptions. I mean, could Kaido have some sort of Awakening during this fight? Maybe, but I'm not sure what it would look like.
Honestly, I'm not sure who would win. I don't know how quickly Garou could evolve to overcome Kaido, and I don't know how effective his attacks would be against Kaido either, since Kaido's dealt with plenty of attacks that negate durability by targeting organs.
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Haki has that ability, and it's blatantly stated his haki grew
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Oh I can easily find a the source, that's nothing so don't get it twisted here.
Shit even without it Kaidou's heat would still be >>>> Garou's resistance.
Not what he's really saying, his Haki grew stronger and had amps to match Luffy each time he got stronger with his RE.
Haki does.
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Voting for the guy who went from hypersonic+ (narratively) to blitzing a FTL character in under a minute or two and city level to continent level in the same time frame.
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It's like people don't read arguments
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Yea, that's fair. I think it's very possible that Kaido could grow throughout the battle, but I'm still not sure whether it would be greater than Garou's growth. On another note, could you give your input on the double match I posted with Kaido and Big Mom vs Garou and Metal Bat. Kinda weird why people just ignore it, and it's also kinda frustrating.
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The literal story?
"A bit". "The near future".
Instances with talking and action can easily be stretched out into entire minutes when they only really take place in seconds, such as talking being free action, and the other examples being combat speed.
He's actually stated to be getting weaker.
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The effectiveness doesn't even come close to Garou's, and Luffy was weaker than him for most of the fight.
Him getting drunk and having stronger Haki is not something I would call Reactive Evolution, it's just an ability he can use to amplify his Haki in the middle of a fight, only when drunk.
Him getting drunk and having stronger Haki is not something I would call Reactive Evolution, it's just an ability he can use to amplify his Haki in the middle of a fight, only when drunk.
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cope
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Raito + Hold this L + Don't care didn't ask + stfu + Zoro skill stomps your favorite verse.
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There is absolutely no way it is comparable to Garous growth. Show me people going from comparable to one shotting and blitzing in seconds.
Sorry, but I'm not seeing how he can compare at all here. Garou starts off with a 2x AP advantage that just grows larger the longer he fights.
Even if Kaidou manages to severely harm him he'll just transform and become way stronger and faster than he was before. I don't see how Kaidou can kill him if this is the case.
The Sage Centipede fight is still an insane example of how he can go for barely doing damage to someone to cutting them in half with a single strike incredibly quickly.
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He got weaker in the sense that he can't hold up his flame clouds since he's been holding them for like an hour and his stamina has dropped
Don't skip context
Luffy was equal to him for like 70% of the fight.
His regular buso and hao growing over time is RPL, which is accepted and shown in multiple situations
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Bump
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Luffy and Enel
Zoan and Hybrid and Drunk Hybrid and Stronger Drunk Hybrid and Flame Dragon say hello
Kaidou flat out killed the dude who was taking hits from him in their base form
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Let's try and get this one over with first.
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You know he can just... randomly transform straight to Hybrid right?
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Ability from my favorite verse that not only gives precog, but increases mental speed to match it, allowing the body to dodge perfectly
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Ah cool, what verse? Definitely sounds interesting.
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The Cosmere, it's a book verse, in particular, the mistborn trilogy
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Show scans of the Luffy and Enel stuff.
Dude Garou has his own transformations and if Kaidou pushes him enough to go full monster it's game over.
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Pretty sure its been established Garou isn't allowed to go beyond 6-A.
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Yeah, I think that was explicitly mentioned early on
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It should be in the OP if that's the case.
Also, a bit of a cop out, don't you think?
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SBA assumes Kaido is in character. His battles with the Worst Generation and Oden shows he doesn't use Hybrid at the start of the fight (he didn't even use Hybrid against Oden actually).
Another thing I forgot to mention is Garou's ability to learn Kaido's techniques and discover his weak points.
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1v1 he used it right from the start against Yamato.
Garou can't learn ant techniques from Kaidou, he ain't copying Haki or Devil Fruit abilities.
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Only in your dream scrub.Gin folds Garou and Kaidou.
But I fold Gin.
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The only reason Garou was able to move up to 5-C was because Saitama let him: he held back enough for Garou to evolve and perfect his techniques, and he was strong enough to allow Garou to advance up to that point. Again, Garou needed strong opponents to help him reach a next level. Garou was unconscious during his fight with Bang and Bomb, and he needed to wake up to unleash another burst of power and snap him back to his senses.
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I'm always dreaming.
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